Watched a few religious channels and now I think I understand

Modelworks

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I understand why people are turning away from religion. I haven't been to church in probably 7 years, but I remain somewhat religious. So last night I was really bored with what was on tv and flipped through some channels till I came to the block of channels on directv that are religion based.

The first one was some guy talking about a special healing oil he had that the lord told him 1000 people would send him $1000 for , but this was not a payment to purchase the oil, but a love offering. Come on, lets call it for what it is, snake oil salesman.

The next channel was a woman talking about Christ and so I listened thinking ok, this one is legit, until the conversation turned into why people should tithe and how 10% was not enough anymore and how she was told by God that there was 100 people in the audience that felt the need to give at least 50% of their income tonight.

Next channel was a guy named Grant Jeffrey. He was talking about the economy and how bad things were getting. I listened as he talked about a one world government and some of what he was talking about I considered and thought, well I guess its possible. Then he went totally off the deep end. He started to talk about how rfid was going to be used to tag everyone and everything so that they could be easily tracked. He told the audience that these chips were now the size of periods on a paper and were already in their clothing and food. How the government had satellites that could track them everywhere. Then he got on the whole government wire tapping issue.

He claimed the government had records of every phone call everyone ever made since the 1960's. He then added that everything they did on the internet was being monitored by the government and they were recording everything anyone did. That there were devices that could copy your computer without ever touching it. I thought, well surely the audience will not believe this garbage, but they were all shaking their heads in agreement. Hundreds of people believing this crap . Then he tries to tie it all in with bible verses.

This is the guys website. Looking at his books it is just hard to believe people read this garbage and think it is true.
http://www.grantjeffrey.com/


I understand now why people are going away from religion. The idiots that are on tv promoting it , are just that, idiots. I wouldn't follow their advice if I was blind in a room with pits filled with razor blades.

 

TehMac

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Yes, it isn't surprising. When churches involve themselves in politics or political hankering, people get turned off.

Jesus said it best himself: "Give to God what is God's, and to Caesar what is Caesar's."
 

Eli

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It's pretty unbelievable.

It takes about 2 nanoseconds of sane, logical, rational thought to realize that religion is a bunch of nonsense.

Just the fact that there are so many religions should clue you in. Not to mention all the religions that have existed in the last, say... 75,000 years. Do you know you've picked the right one? :Q

Oh wait, the Earth is only 6,000 years old......

:laugh:
 

marvdmartian

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Wow, Modelworks.......you're seriously going to judge all of the Christian churches off of 3 televangelists??? Not much of a sampling, wouldn't you say???

I do agree, however, with the concept that most organized religion ruins the message that Christ gave mankind. That's why I have FAITH, instead of RELIGION.
 

sandorski

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Do you want your Nads roasted for Eternity? If not, send a Love Offering of $5000 to:

Blessed Jesus Asbestos Nad Pouch
Sandorski Ministries
123 Heavenly Way
Tulsa, Oklahoma
 

techs

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Do you want your Nads roasted for Eternity? If not, send a Love Offering of $5000 to:

Blessed Jesus Asbestos Nad Pouch
Sandorski Ministries
123 Heavenly Way
Tulsa, Oklahoma

I laughed.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Do you want your Nads roasted for Eternity? If not, send a Love Offering of $5000 to:

Blessed Jesus Asbestos Nad Pouch
Sandorski Ministries
123 Heavenly Way
Tulsa, Oklahoma

LMAO! :thumbsup:
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Wow, Modelworks.......you're seriously going to judge all of the Christian churches off of 3 televangelists??? Not much of a sampling, wouldn't you say???

I do agree, however, with the concept that most organized religion ruins the message that Christ gave mankind. That's why I have FAITH, instead of RELIGION.

No I am not judging all churches by this , but most people don't go to a church the first time without being brought by someone. More people are likely to be flipping through the channels like I was and stumbling upon this crap.
On directv, there are about 10 of them and I'm betting that a significant amount of people watch those channels. If someone new to religion or is looking for answers see this kind of stuff it is only going to make more people turn away.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
I am not religious but even I know most people DONT get their religion from TV.

Unfortunately a lot of people do.
Stations like TBN do not build theme parks in Orlando, FLA with money that just trickles in.
You have a ton of elderly that can't get out of the home and watch religous tv and also fall victim to these charlatans .

There are good churches out there, but from what I saw on those channels, that kind of stuff needs to be given the ax.
 

child of wonder

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If the government monitors anything it should be who donates money to these TV evangelists so that the authorities can come to their houses and euthanize them.
 

I4AT

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People are turning away from religion? Where do you live? Because over the last decade or so I've noticed the opposite...
 

techs

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Originally posted by: I4AT
People are turning away from religion? Where do you live? Because over the last decade or so I've noticed the opposite...

I have notice the opposite of what you have noticed.
Yes, people who ARE religious have become more vocal and more visible and more churchgoing. And, it seems that at least in certain parts of the country it has become fashionable to say you are religious, or at least good business sense.
But in actual percentage of the population, I don't think those who are overtly religious is going up, rather it is going down. Young people are not as churchgoing, nor identify themselves as strongly with their religion as the oldest people do.
So, every year as more seniors die they are replaced with less religious young people.
And its only the population growth that is giving us more religious people, but less a percentage of more religious people.

edit:
what I mean about it becoming "fashionable" is that in many areas of the country religious people won't patronize a business owned by someone who does profess their religion. And in social networks and business networks people will say they are religious so as not to elimnate possible business opportunities.
 

swiftfeet76

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Originally posted by: I4AT
People are turning away from religion? Where do you live? Because over the last decade or so I've noticed the opposite...

You can't go by "what I've noticed". The United states is slowly becoming more secular. Sure, there are still powerful, conservative, fundamentalists, but their influence is diminishing and a lot of young people from religious families are tending to move towards either apathetic, agnostic, or atheistic viewpoints. Religion is old hat and hopefully we will soon see the day when the majority of North America is as secular as most of Europe.

Still a long way to go until the religion mind virus is extinct, but fact based knowledge and intelligence are pretty hard to contain in our globally connected world. Religion on the other hand, continues to come under more and more fire as it loses it's high level of opaqueness.

I'll quote a very dear friend, "As a child I was a believer. I rode my bike to church every Sunday with my little boy legs. But then I went to college and I put away my childish things."
 

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Do you want your Nads roasted for Eternity? If not, send a Love Offering of $5000 to:

Blessed Jesus Asbestos Nad Pouch
Sandorski Ministries
123 Heavenly Way
Tulsa, Oklahoma

Would you accept an offering of 5000 sperm from my Nads wiped on a blessed prayer cloth in lieu of cash?
 

Liberator21

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Originally posted by: swiftfeet76
Originally posted by: I4AT
People are turning away from religion? Where do you live? Because over the last decade or so I've noticed the opposite...

You can't go by "what I've noticed". The United states is slowly becoming more secular. Sure, there are still powerful, conservative, fundamentalists, but their influence is diminishing and a lot of young people from religious families are tending to move towards either apathetic, agnostic, or atheistic viewpoints. Religion is old hat and hopefully we will soon see the day when the majority of North America is as secular as most of Europe.

Still a long way to go until the religion mind virus is extinct, but fact based knowledge and intelligence are pretty hard to contain in our globally connected world. Religion on the other hand, continues to come under more and more fire as it loses it's high level of opaqueness.

I'll quote a very dear friend, "As a child I was a believer. I rode my bike to church every Sunday with my little boy legs. But then I went to college and I put away my childish things."

Why do you think it best if people don't believe in something (religion)?

And you claim religion is "old hat" but don't you think apathetic, agnostic, and atheistic viewpoints are just as "old hat" if not older?

You made your point clear, but I just don't understand why you want religion to disappear, has it done something to you?

"As a child I was a believer. I rode my bike to church every Sunday with my little boy legs. But then I went to college and I put away my childish things".... and drove your car?
 

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90%+ of the stuff on "Christian" tv is heretical/a false gospel/a bunch of false teachers in it for the money or power.
If people that claim to be Christians took the effort and time to correctly read and study the Bible, it would be plain as day to them that most of what's taught today is incorrect and un-Biblical.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: swiftfeet76

Still a long way to go until the religion mind virus is extinct, but fact based knowledge and intelligence are pretty hard to contain in our globally connected world. Religion on the other hand, continues to come under more and more fire as it loses it's high level of opaqueness.

I'll quote a very dear friend, "As a child I was a believer. I rode my bike to church every Sunday with my little boy legs. But then I went to college and I put away my childish things."


I want to be clear that I am not saying religion is bad, but that people like I listed are causing more harm than good. Religion without the perversions of the people like above can be a good thing. Its these charlatans who use religion to get what they want personally that I wish God himself would strike down. The problem is people turn to religion when they are the most vulnerable. I know many people who are very religious but nothing like these idiots on tv.
 

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Where the hell do you live that there are that many religious channels on TV? :confused: I only have 1, and 90% of the time they've got some show on with grown men wearing togas and chatting about the issues in today's world totally normally, as if they've forgotten they're wearing togas... togas... :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: uhohs
90%+ of the stuff on "Christian" tv is heretical/a false gospel/a bunch of false teachers in it for the money or power.
If people that claim to be Christians took the effort and time to correctly read and study the Bible, it would be plain as day to them that most of what's taught today is incorrect and un-Biblical.

Exactly.
One preacher on TV (satellite, DirecTV) I recommend watching is John MacArthur, on NRB. There are some other good preachers on that station, but nota ll are. Still, at least it's not TBN *shudder*
 

swiftfeet76

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Originally posted by: Liberator21
Originally posted by: swiftfeet76
Originally posted by: I4AT
People are turning away from religion? Where do you live? Because over the last decade or so I've noticed the opposite...

You can't go by "what I've noticed". The United states is slowly becoming more secular. Sure, there are still powerful, conservative, fundamentalists, but their influence is diminishing and a lot of young people from religious families are tending to move towards either apathetic, agnostic, or atheistic viewpoints. Religion is old hat and hopefully we will soon see the day when the majority of North America is as secular as most of Europe.

Still a long way to go until the religion mind virus is extinct, but fact based knowledge and intelligence are pretty hard to contain in our globally connected world. Religion on the other hand, continues to come under more and more fire as it loses it's high level of opaqueness.

I'll quote a very dear friend, "As a child I was a believer. I rode my bike to church every Sunday with my little boy legs. But then I went to college and I put away my childish things."

Why do you think it best if people don't believe in something (religion)?

And you claim religion is "old hat" but don't you think apathetic, agnostic, and atheistic viewpoints are just as "old hat" if not older?

You made your point clear, but I just don't understand why you want religion to disappear, has it done something to you?

"As a child I was a believer. I rode my bike to church every Sunday with my little boy legs. But then I went to college and I put away my childish things".... and drove your car?

Well the simple answer is that it makes no sense to believe in something false, but, mainly because religion hardens hearts and enslaves minds. Not to mention that it's completely at odds with science and technology due to it's need for opaqueness. Just look at how much religion has changed over the centuries and even in the 20th century alone. It must constantly adapt in order to fool as many of the world's fools as possible.

If you think religion hasn't done you harm then you probably have highly conservative views or don't pay attention to world politics/news.

Humanity is beyond the point of needing superstition to comfort itself. Any people still clutching onto myths as if they are reality are deluded. The simple fact is that religion slows down progress while providing only comfort to simple minded fools, if even that. At the same time it causes immense harm due it's inherent nature of creating an "Us" and "Them".

The quote means that he put away his childish beliefs.

A very insightful observation is that fringe religions, such as the many alien regions, are incredibly similar to what most people consider proper religions.

Edit: Compared to organized religion, atheism is very, very new and has been a highly radical idea throughout history. As an example, most believers consider atheists bad people. Atheism is sadly less accepted compared to religion, even though atheism is the most logical viewpoint. Apathetic and agnostic viewpoints are simply transitional viewpoints. They ultimately lead toward atheism.
 

swiftfeet76

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Originally posted by: uhohs
90%+ of the stuff on "Christian" tv is heretical/a false gospel/a bunch of false teachers in it for the money or power.
If people that claim to be Christians took the effort and time to correctly read and study the Bible, it would be plain as day to them that most of what's taught today is incorrect and un-Biblical.

90%+ of the stuff in the bible is un-biblical. Ask most Cristian or Catholics if they've read the bible and the answer will be, "Parts of it.", which means no.