watch out intel and amd, there's a new player on the block

Specop 007

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Betchya they have some serious QC issues in the first few years of production.
 

Texashiker

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Betchya they have some serious QC issues in the first few years of production.

The technology was probably lifted straight from intel and amd production lines.

We will have to wait and see how the new company does.
 

ichy

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Texashiker beat me to it. The Chinese are great at stealing and cheating their way to success. Actual innovation? Not so much.
 

Texashiker

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Doesn't use x86 instruction set so not too likely...

Are you saying its impossible to take an idea and improve it?

The US has given the chinese everything they need to be a world leader. Its just a matter of time before chinese companies replace amd, intel, apple, ford, dodge, gmc,,,,,,.
 

gophins72

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In the current american economy, all they would have to do is open some design houses in the united states and they would gain a flock of employees willing to help them become world leaders ;)
 

StrangerGuy

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Texashiker beat me to it. The Chinese are great at stealing and cheating their way to success. Actual innovation? Not so much.

Doing that is already much better than some Middle East countries.
 

WildHorse

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http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/10/sunway_super/

Chinese Supercomputer using their own processor.
But...to be a "PLAYER" they've gotta own market share and mind share...


probably they haven't earned either in our Western world, although who knows how those IP thieves may prevail in their unbelievably corrupt Asian world?

It's astounding that the USA and eu and British and Scandanavian and Israelli "techno-geniuses," while capable of Stuxnet, have so pathetically, so impotently, failed to stop the Niagra Falls-torrents (i.e.; torrential huge volumes) of IP thefts by the Chinese, while the Chinese
simultaneously dig strategic positions ever-more-deeply into South America...seeking to replace national armies with Chinese contract-security troops, etc. Is China's long-term gambit to position itself in Latin America in order to strike against USA from our south? (any foreign hostiles who destroy our productive capacity along our Houston ship channel will certainly cripple our entire USA).

Edit: Of course, let's remember that Bill Clinton GAVE CHINA OUTRIGHT the IP that we Americans taxed ourselves to develop, over lengthy trial and error, which consumed entire devoted lifetime careers of many top scientists...Bill Clinton just flat GAVE it to China FREE.. (e.g., how to harden integrated circuits against nuclear radiation effects, how to do all sorts of space related things, and generally TONS of sensitive strategically precious IP that no American company could divulge to any foreign US ally on pain of ITAR violation, with heavy $ fines and lengthy imprisonment,..hey.,...here it is you guys...considering how y'all Chinese donated big time to my campaign fund, I'm gifting you as FREE reciprocity all this IP that Americans spent hundreds-of-billions of $ and tens-of-thousands of scientist and engineer-careers to innovate...FREE for YOU CHINA!!!! you can now enable your military and space enterprises FREE!!! -signed, yer good bud Bill Clinton (easily among the most traitorous acts in all history, merely buried and not publicized).

What a guy (very definition of an ARCH traitor)
 
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swanysto

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Texashiker beat me to it. The Chinese are great at stealing and cheating their way to success. Actual innovation? Not so much.

That is funny considering how much we have stolen from the Japanese.
 

dud

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As others have already asked ... I wonder who the Chinese stole their design from?
 

Texashiker

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In the current american economy, all they would have to do is open some design houses in the united states and they would gain a flock of employees willing to help them become world leaders ;)

After the Soviet Union broke up, one of the biggest worries was where the nuclear scientist went to work. Those scientist have families and bills just like everyone else.

In the current US economy, I doubt it would take much for a chinese company to hire some top notch designers.
 

rudder

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I would not doubt for a second that whatever computing power that came out of China would have a way to capture and send data to some other super computer in China.
 

PottedMeat

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it's always been like this everywhere. take what's currently the best, reverse engineer it, make copies, make small improvements and changes, mass produce it. we would do the same.
 

Wyndru

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Wow, the comments on that page went sour quick. There is a long string of responses going back and forth between democracy vs communism.

Are comment sections on any page actually used for commenting on the subject of the page? You don't see too many relevant comments anymore, mostly just debates over unrelated subjects.
 

ichy

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China is not communist anymore. They are a capitalist country with a totalitarian dictatorship for a government.