Watch Matrix again, not as good, and HUGE plot hole

[SaltyNuts]

Watched it again the other night. Still cool, but not as cool as I remember it. Probably because going into the movie I had no idea what it was about and it was shocking and revolutionary.

However, I noticed a HUGE plot hole. To go into the Matrix, someone had to put you under (plugs to back of head) and bring you back out again (via phone call). But Sypher (the bad guy) went into the Matrix a couple times to meet with the agents, himself only. Seemingly no one on the ship helped him (and all were good guys and would not help him). How did the producer/director overlook this ginormous plot hole???

 

[Printer Bandit]

Automated operator script

 

[Cappuccino]

the matrix is the plot hole.

 

[cbrunny]

 

[Paratus]

I would have gone with the biggest plot hole being feeding the dead to the living. After enough times no calories would be left to power your copper tops thanks to entropy. So food would have to be produced somewhere.

 

[John Connor]

I own the Matrix box set. Love that movie. Greatest Sci-Fi film in my book. No, I don't give a shit about Star Wars and Star Trek. The Matrix is a mathematical commutation of a hybrid of the Terminator. Neo, was the sum of an imbalanced equation. There were two of his programs before him. The third, as we see in the movie was a hell of a lot different.

 

[Ichinisan]

I own the Matrix box set. Love that movie. Greatest Sci-Fi film in my book.

T2: Judgement Day?

 

[Pulsar]

I own the Matrix box set. Love that movie. Greatest Sci-Fi film in my book. No, I don't give a shit about Star Wars and Star Trek. The Matrix is a mathematical commutation of a hybrid of the Terminator. Neo, was the sum of an imbalanced equation. There were two of his programs before him. The third, as we see in the movie was a hell of a lot different.

There were far more than two before him.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Wasn't very good the first time. No thanks.

 

[mikeymikec]

However, I noticed a HUGE plot hole. To go into the Matrix, someone had to put you under (plugs to back of head) and bring you back out again (via phone call). But Sypher (the bad guy) went into the Matrix a couple times to meet with the agents, himself only. Seemingly no one on the ship helped him (and all were good guys and would not help him). How did the producer/director overlook this ginormous plot hole???

In the scene immediately preceding this, Cypher is sitting in front of three monitors showing the Matrix in an encoded format. I assumed that he communicated with the agents through that feed, and the scene in the restaurant just dressed up a scene that was basically him typing at a terminal. The only thing that doesn't quite add up with that opinion is that he eats steak and talks about that he prefers basically a better-tasting simulation to reality, but as it lines up his motivation nicely and I think alternatives would have been rather more awkward, it doesn't really bother me.

 

[disappoint]

Automated operator script

This is the answer the Wachowksi bros. gave. Cypher wrote a script that does Tank's job (operator).

WachowskiBros: Cypher, at the beginning of this scene, is setting up an automated system to allow him to go meet with Agent Smith.

 

[Sheep221]

I own the Matrix box set. Love that movie. Greatest Sci-Fi film in my book. No, I don't give a shit about Star Wars and Star Trek. The Matrix is a mathematical commutation of a hybrid of the Terminator. Neo, was the sum of an imbalanced equation. There were two of his programs before him. The third, as we see in the movie was a hell of a lot different.

Dude those movies are shit, just like anything on TV ever was. Matrix was surely better than Terminator in comparison but otherwise I don't get anyone who can even watch that stuff after their teen years, it's beyond my understanding. And those were kind of prime examples but the list of crap movies would be endless. Ultra-violent meaningless action, plot story so poorly constructed that your head hurts when you just think about it.

 

[cbrunny]

T2: Judgement Day?

T2 is obviously excellent. And it holds up. For a movie made in 1991, it absolutely is in the same conversation as The Matrix (1999).

But more importantly,

They're rebooting The Matrix http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/14/14930638/the-matrix-reboot-remake-movie

The Matrix is getting a remake. That’s according to The Hollywood Reporter, which says that Warner Bros. is in the early stages of developing a rebooted version of the 1999 cyberpunk classic, with Creed star Michael B. Jordan as the potential headliner.

MICHAEL B. JORDAN IS REPORTEDLY IN TALKS TO STAR
Zak Penn is currently in talks to write a treatment for the reboot, The Hollywood Reporter claims. Penn is best known for his script work on several superhero movies, providing story assistance for other established writers on X-Men: The Last Stand, The Avengers, and Elektra. Jordan, too, has yet to formally commit to the project (which is itself in early stages), but is reportedly in talks for a major role.

Michael B Jordan is awesome. Creed is phenomenal - a must watch. I really hope that if this happens it doesn't turn into a stupid marvel movie.

 

[Ichinisan]

I would have gone with the biggest plot hole being feeding the dead to the living. After enough times no calories would be left to power your copper tops thanks to entropy. So food would have to be produced somewhere.

This is how I have always felt. I had hoped the story would fix that in the sequels and say the machines were actually using the humans' extra brain capacity for their own collective processing power. They didn't fix it.

 

[zinfamous]

Matrix 2 and 3 are in the top 3 or 5 of worst movies ever made. It makes it easy to forgot that Matrix 1 was fairly decent.

 

[Paratus]

This is how I have always felt. I had hoped the story would fix that in the sequels and say the machines were actually using the humans' extra brain capacity for their own collective processing power. They didn't fix it.

Supposedly that was the Wachowski's original plan but the producers thought it would be too hard for the average movie goer to understand.

Matrix 2 and 3 are in the top 3 or 5 of worst movies ever made. It makes it easy to forgot that Matrix 1 was fairly decent.

2 and 3 May have been something of a let down, but I still think the Merovingian fight scene was one of the best Hollywood movie fights choreographed ever.

He fights multiple baddies at the same time and even when they are coming at him serially it's mostly because he's manipulated the fight to have a few seconds take a guy one on one.

Contrast that with contemporary yet laughably bad fight choreography in Blade II

20 guys show up and wait their turn to be dispatched by Blade, one by one, who stands in a big circle and doesn't move much.

 

[desura]

I always thought the sequels were unfairly panned.

It had this interesting idea in it that the system has controlled/allowed opposition.

Weirdly enough, both Wachowski brothers are now trans. Even the big bald masculine one.

 

[Paratus]

Watched it again the other night. Still cool, but not as cool as I remember it. Probably because going into the movie I had no idea what it was about and it was shocking and revolutionary.

However, I noticed a HUGE plot hole. To go into the Matrix, someone had to put you under (plugs to back of head) and bring you back out again (via phone call). But Sypher (the bad guy) went into the Matrix a couple times to meet with the agents, himself only. Seemingly no one on the ship helped him (and all were good guys and would not help him). How did the producer/director overlook this ginormous plot hole???

Well maybe the reboot will fix those problems.
https://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/03/get-ready-for-the-matrix-reboot/

 

[louis redfoot]

was i the only one that thought the matrix was a metaphor for the internet?

 

[desura]

Well maybe the reboot will fix those problems.
https://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/03/get-ready-for-the-matrix-reboot/

That is just dumb. The Matrix still holds up pretty well and the graphical effects are still top notch. An old series like Mad Max I get.

 

[zinfamous]

Supposedly that was the Wachowski's original plan but the producers thought it would be too hard for the average movie goer to understand.




2 and 3 May have been something of a let down, but I still think the Merovingian fight scene was one of the best Hollywood movie fights choreographed ever.

what choreographed? wasn't it 90% cartoon? Granted, I don't remember much of it, because I was sitting in that theater trying to figure out wtf was happening in front of me, reevaluating my life and the poor life decisions, possibly some mental illness, that led up to the notion on my part to go the theater that day to see Matrix 2. It was a very bad day.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I would have gone with the biggest plot hole being feeding the dead to the living. After enough times no calories would be left to power your copper tops thanks to entropy. So food would have to be produced somewhere.

Nevermind the fact that they claimed to use us as an energy source - which would not be possible unless there was an outside source of energy being fed into the system. If there was, the machines would have used that.

 

[Paratus]

Nevermind the fact that they claimed to use us as an energy source - which would not be possible unless there was an outside source of energy being fed into the system. If there was, the machines would have used that.

Yup that was my point.

However, Morpheus says, and I quote, "Combined with a form of fusion the machines had found all the power they would ever need".

So they had another power source. The whole people power idea was clunky and supposedly not the original idea.

 

[desura]

Nevermind the fact that they claimed to use us as an energy source - which would not be possible unless there was an outside source of energy being fed into the system. If there was, the machines would have used that.

You got to be kidding me. Taking this way too literally. The battery thing is brilliant in how human existence has been reduced to a horror.

 

[louis redfoot]

The whole people power idea was clunky and supposedly not the original idea.

i saw that just as a metaphor of masses of people who spent their lives online