Minimum wage only encourages inflation. Everyone elses wage goes up shortly after that, then rent, housing, food, gas and the minimum wagers will be right back to where they started.
Minimum wage only encourages inflation. Everyone elses wage goes up shortly after that, then rent, housing, food, gas and the minimum wagers will be right back to where they started.
This is why with the huge number of people who make nothing and can't find jobs, everything is almost free.
OutHouse
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correct. a good friend of mine is a waitress at applebees for a second job a hundred bucks plus per shift is very common. monday is veterans day and with the free meal deal for vets the wait staff makes out like bandits because the patron normally tips the cost of the free meal.
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So long as the experiment is limited in scale. Thus any ill effects are quarantined to the region/area they are conducted in and not everyone else is drag in down to the bottom of the ocean, yeah go right ahead and experiment until you glow in the dark.
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Tips are supposed to be included by the employer on the W2.
If not included; declared on the tax form.
Londo_Jowo
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LMAO did you look at that list of businesses? With the possible exception of Starbucks and Costco, they already offer high level jobs that pay well in excess of even this $15 minimum wage.
spacejamz
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http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=2388800
Dori says it's frustrating when voters with no skin in the game get to dictate things like wages and prices for a business.
"They're just saying we want some people to give other people more money, and it's like voters think it just magically appears out of nowhere," says Dori.
Dori says it's frustrating when voters with no skin in the game get to dictate things like wages and prices for a business.
"They're just saying we want some people to give other people more money, and it's like voters think it just magically appears out of nowhere," says Dori.
I am guessing this is the total combined tips, plus cash wage minimum and that they aren't simply raising the cash wage? If so they were already making at least 7.25 an hour, and most would be making more than that.
Yep, under the guise of "fair wage" or other such drivel. Of course in the end it never actually ends up helping those who were supposedly the people who were going to be helped by the measure. Fail as usual.
Move to SeaTac and educate them on their stupidity. Maybe stand on a street corner and preach to them about how stupid and wrong they are.
spacejamz
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If the previous minimum wage was $9/hr, that person was making around $13K/year (assuming 30 hour work week)...
Now that person will make around $21.5K/year, an increase of $8.5K/year...If a small business has 5 part time employees, that would increase labor costs by $42.5K/year which is a substanstial amount of money. (I just picked 5 employees off the top of my head, but each employee would increase labor cost of $8.5k/year)....
I wonder where the voters think this money will come from? Will the business owner raise their prices (if so, how much)? will they layoff some employees (if so, how many)? I don't think the business owner can do nothing and just absorb the increased minimum wage.
Now that person will make around $21.5K/year, an increase of $8.5K/year...If a small business has 5 part time employees, that would increase labor costs by $42.5K/year which is a substanstial amount of money. (I just picked 5 employees off the top of my head, but each employee would increase labor cost of $8.5k/year)....
I wonder where the voters think this money will come from? Will the business owner raise their prices (if so, how much)? will they layoff some employees (if so, how many)? I don't think the business owner can do nothing and just absorb the increased minimum wage.
Silence you fool, such logical considerations have no place here. The money will just come from somewhere, and everyone will get a "fair" wage
Basically, some will lose their jobs, prices will go up some, and some businesses will just cease to exist.
The prop was aimed at people working in and around SeaTac airport, it does not apply to everyone. How many restaurants in airports actually have wait staff?
Its a misguided law but the media hasnt done a very good job explaining prop 1. What is funny is, most of the 5-6000 people that will have higher wages now, don't actually live in the city of SeaTac.
The $15 is absurd, the tip protection and paid sick days not so much. Tip protection is a good thing, resturants should not be charging service charges or collecting tips, if those tips/service fees aren't going to the people providing the service. Paid sick days is a good idea simply because not having paid sick days encourages people to work when sick and contagious which is bad in both the transportation and hospitality industries, more so in hospitatlity.
Its a misguided law but the media hasnt done a very good job explaining prop 1. What is funny is, most of the 5-6000 people that will have higher wages now, don't actually live in the city of SeaTac.
The $15 is absurd, the tip protection and paid sick days not so much. Tip protection is a good thing, resturants should not be charging service charges or collecting tips, if those tips/service fees aren't going to the people providing the service. Paid sick days is a good idea simply because not having paid sick days encourages people to work when sick and contagious which is bad in both the transportation and hospitality industries, more so in hospitatlity.
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Atreus21
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Business owners shouldn't be so greedy. They're supposed to start a business to make other people's lives (like mine) better (by my standards), not in their own interest (selfish pricks).
spacejamz
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The majority of airport restaurants are not full service restaurants. There are plenty of them, but they do not comprise anywhere near a majority.
And most of the people effected by this wage increase are transportation and hotel workers(the other half of the hospitality industry). Because the way the prop is written only hand full of restaurants will be effected, of those effected, I don't see their staff getting tipped by anyone other than travelers who don't know any better.
Whats going to happen is restaurants that are effected will cut employees down to get under the cutoff. How many employees does an airport Quizno's have/need?
The wage increase was a terrible idea, but the passage isn't a surprise because voter turn out in local elections.
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Londo_Jowo
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I think you will see some services cut down, how many Hudson News stores do you need? As I said before this wage hike will hurt small businesses and non-skilled workers.
Here's a link to all the shops and restaurants in SeaTac Airport.
http://seatacshops.com/
Here's a link to all the shops and restaurants in SeaTac Airport.
http://seatacshops.com/
The prop applies to 15 food service businesses and 9 retail businesses with a total of 1400 employees.
Thats out of ~6300 who will be getting a $15/hr. Employees for airline contractors and hotels make over up half of those 6300.
Very few small businesses are going to be hit and those that are will likely scale back employee numbers as to not get hit by the ordinance.
Its a terrible ordinance, but it only applies to about 25% of jobs in the city.
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MiniDoom
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Business owners take more risk than the employee. My father runs a small business. If his business fails, he loses his home. His employees keep theirs and go find another job.
spacejamz
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Please do enlighten us then...damn those pesky things like payroll expenses...I don't even know why they are even included in a business owner's budget....
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