I blame Timotyh McVeigh, the hunger in Africa, Islamic terrorism, war between nations on America. Its all America's fault. I'm sure many of you agree.
They had a discussion about it on the Michael Medved show and he had all the facts straight from the sources. The name Adolf drastically declined after World War II.
Michael Medved?!?!
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
That moron wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on his ass!
Now, about that proof?
I feel the same way about the leftist media, but anyway I'm sorry that I don't have access to national birth records here in my room and to be quite honest I'm not sure where I could actually get them.
So, iow, your opinions are formed by the rabid right-wing talking heads of AM radio? Gotcha.
Just another brain-dead sheep we can all start ignoring from now on.
buh-bye.
Just another brain-dead sheep we can all start ignoring from now on.
buh-bye.
Conjur you're starting again to not make points and just attack people personally. Who is really the sheep here?
Medved is the only talk show host that i know of that goes out of his way to get the "other side" on his show - and have good debate with them.
Any way just a quick search:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1741171.stm
I know it is not UK - but after 9/11 the name Osama popularity did increase. As oppose to Adolf which went down after WWII.
Medved is an idiot. He may go "out of his way to get the 'other side' on his show" but he damn sure doesn't go out of his way to let them have their say. He *does* go out of the way to be sure to engage in hyperbole and slanted rhetoric, though. I listen to him almost daily on the drive home (I stopped trying to listen to Hannity for any sense of reason long ago) and have found maybe 1 of 100 shows in which Medved will allow someone from the "other side" to get a word in edge-wise without interrupting them or slamming them needlessly. I think he'd be better off if he came out of the closet and relieved himself of the stress involved in staying hidden.
That said, thanks for the article. At least in one area of Nigeria, there was an increase (and I doubt it's from the release of that movie Osama, which, btw, was an amazing film.)
That said, thanks for the article. At least in one area of Nigeria, there was an increase (and I doubt it's from the release of that movie Osama, which, btw, was an amazing film.)
Came out of the closet...huh? And you're quick to call somebody who graduated from Yale with honors over his classmates Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham, George W. Bush, and John Kerry and idiot?
And he "does" go out of his way to get to the heart of the argument on the other side. He rarely cuts their mike and only interupts if they try to state a fact that simply isn't true or if they start to ramble off topic. That's why I like his show way more than Limbaugh.
I don't really know how to respond to this sort of challenge. I have read the Bible--no worries, there--but even that is not the issue. This is about politics.
Ok, you said "The Koran teaches murder. The Bible does not. That's a pretty big divider". Clearly you have not read the bible, or you would know that it also teaches murder. Here are some examples:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
So, wanna rethink that whole position of yours now?
Sorry, didnt' want to retype it all. But is that really your only counter argument? The truth is, both religions teach murder.
Did he wear weird ous garb when doing his crime? Did he post weird religious symbols at the site? Did he make religious statements in court? You already know the answer.
Whoa...sorry about last night, guys. I was a little tipsy from the egg nog. I can now respond directly to the allegations.
Old covenant Law. It was never murder, just the penalty for disobedience. In any case, it is no longer in force.
Same thing. Again, this is no longer in force.
This is your only NT quote, and the only text which is applicable to Christians today. You'll notice it does not command Christians to go out and kill people. It mentions the OT death penalty, but that's hardly an endorsement of murder.
No... No, I don't think so.
Old covenant Law. It was never murder, just the penalty for disobedience. In any case, it is no longer in force.
Same thing. Again, this is no longer in force.
Again, this is a governmental punishment no longer in force today.
Same thing. Shall I type it all again?
Yawn...
That's a prediction of death, not a command to kill. Besides, it deals with OT Law, which, as said before, is no longer in force.
OT Law--no longer in force.
Ahem?
This is getting old. Let me skip to the interesting one....
This is your only NT quote, and the only text which is applicable to Christians today. You'll notice it does not command Christians to go out and kill people. It mentions the OT death penalty, but that's hardly an endorsement of murder.
No... No, I don't think so.
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Great comeback, if none of it is in practice then why isn't there a new edition?
And why the hell would you let your youth zealots in the making read that kind of crap if your cult didn't want them to practice it?
Go back to your spiked nogg, you suck horribly at arguements!
And why the hell would you let your youth zealots in the making read that kind of crap if your cult didn't want them to practice it?
Go back to your spiked nogg, you suck horribly at arguements!
I suppose we can't teach in america about our mistreatment of the native americans. I mean it did happened, and thats the way it was, but do we totally ignore it and delete it from our history books? I hope not.
A good chuck of the OT is devoted to a system of government that is not longer in exsistence, and hasn't been for 1000s of years. Modern Jews don't advocate the return to the old law, neither do Christians. But we don't ignore it and pretend it didn't exsist. At a minium it helps gives scope in the difference of the old and new covenants. It does serve a purpose.
It's not a "comeback." This isn't some flamewar where I'm trying to throw a wisecrack at everyone who disagrees with me. Granted, I shouldn't have made that copy/paste comment, but what's done is done.
No, this is about the truth. You have to be careful not to take things out of context, particularly with regard to the Old Testament. Up until the Resurrection, Jews operated under a complex set of laws and regulations (which is the bulk of what bsobel quoted). Once Christ came, those laws (called the "Old Covenant") were replaced by new teachings (the "New Covenant"). Those are what Christians follow today. So, in a sense, there is a "new edition": the New Testament.
Well, that's why you teach them what it means; it's really not difficult. Children may not be capable of adult-caliber abstract thought, but they're still pretty smart. I grew up in a Christian grammar school (K-8), and at no time was I unclear on the difference between the Old and New Covenants. To my knowledge, neither were any of my peers.
Incidentally, mainstream Christianity is not a cult.
Hehe... I know not all of my comments last night were particularly articulate, but they were nevertheless true. Try to have an open mind. Don't let yourself be taken in by anti-Christian propaganda. That sort of material is almost always deeply flawed.
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Why has the orginal poster not been sent on a vacation for this and this thread locked? This is not politics, and it is not news. It is 100% pure flamebait. Or are we allowed to post threads like this now?
Was Bill Clinton a whore mongering pedophile who liked beastiality?
I have heard that he was.
Was Bill Clinton a whore mongering pedophile who liked beastiality?
I have heard that he was.
That sounds like something I would post regarding Mr. President. I believe this will accomplish the goal of locking this thread.
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