Was the US better off before or after George W Bush?

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Stuxnet

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Our image is in better shape... under the hood, not at all.

Originally posted by: alchemize
We definitely were better off before his presidency, and far worse now under Obama, but we'd be far worse under McCain too, just hard to say if there'd be much difference as their policies were about the same.

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ccbadd

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Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Under Obama, we are definitely not better off. All of these far left leaning pin heads are a waste of oxygen, try to be a little objective why don't you. As far as national security, if we elected a decent president to follow up after GWB, we would be better off. The economy is another story, it is much worse now and the leftie's boy BHO is running with that bull. It is obvious the left does not care about the country, just power and all you zealots are so focused on Bush you can't seem to get your head out of your ass and try to fix things. You listen to BHO tell you something in a speech and never check to see what he really did, which is usually just the opposite of what he claimed he would do. Then you resort to calling honest working people at the Tea Parties redneck racist without paying attention to the fact that what they want is beneficial to all the people of this country, not just your left-wing jackass ideals.

Lemme guess...you're one of the few idiots in this country who actually agrees with Hannity.

Let me guess, you are one of the idiots who don't read the whole response before making your own stupid response. I will make it easy for you, I don't give a shit about Hannity and the better or worse arguments has two sides, national security and the economy. Bush made us safer and BHO is undoing that. Bush started the bailouts and thus made us worse off. Obama is continuing the same crap, just at a much faster pace and for more money and this makes us far worse off. All of the "worse off" happened under the Pelosi/Reid congress by the way!
Any questions?
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: ccbadd
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Under Obama, we are definitely not better off. All of these far left leaning pin heads are a waste of oxygen, try to be a little objective why don't you. As far as national security, if we elected a decent president to follow up after GWB, we would be better off. The economy is another story, it is much worse now and the leftie's boy BHO is running with that bull. It is obvious the left does not care about the country, just power and all you zealots are so focused on Bush you can't seem to get your head out of your ass and try to fix things. You listen to BHO tell you something in a speech and never check to see what he really did, which is usually just the opposite of what he claimed he would do. Then you resort to calling honest working people at the Tea Parties redneck racist without paying attention to the fact that what they want is beneficial to all the people of this country, not just your left-wing jackass ideals.

Lemme guess...you're one of the few idiots in this country who actually agrees with Hannity.

Let me guess, you are one of the idiots who don't read the whole response before making your own stupid response. I will make it easy for you, I don't give a shit about Hannity and the better or worse arguments has two sides, national security and the economy. Bush made us safer and BHO is undoing that. Bush started the bailouts and thus made us worse off. Obama is continuing the same crap, just at a much faster pace and for more money and this makes us far worse off. All of the "worse off" happened under the Pelosi/Reid congress by the way!
Any questions?

Quoted and bolded for truth. Bush bashers conveniently neglect this fact. Bush can only sign or veto the laws that the legislature puts on his desk.

Disclaimer: I am NOT claiming that Bush did not make mistakes. He made many. However, somehow, the Democrat controlled Congress is getting a free-pass in everything that's gone wrong the last few years.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: ccbadd
Under Obama, we are definitely not better off. All of these far left leaning pin heads are a waste of oxygen, try to be a little objective why don't you. As far as national security, if we elected a decent president to follow up after GWB, we would be better off. The economy is another story, it is much worse now and the leftie's boy BHO is running with that bull. It is obvious the left does not care about the country, just power and all you zealots are so focused on Bush you can't seem to get your head out of your ass and try to fix things. You listen to BHO tell you something in a speech and never check to see what he really did, which is usually just the opposite of what he claimed he would do. Then you resort to calling honest working people at the Tea Parties redneck racist without paying attention to the fact that what they want is beneficial to all the people of this country, not just your left-wing jackass ideals.

Lemme guess...you're one of the few idiots in this country who actually agrees with Hannity.

Let me guess, you are one of the idiots who don't read the whole response before making your own stupid response. I will make it easy for you, I don't give a shit about Hannity and the better or worse arguments has two sides, national security and the economy. Bush made us safer and BHO is undoing that. Bush started the bailouts and thus made us worse off. Obama is continuing the same crap, just at a much faster pace and for more money and this makes us far worse off. All of the "worse off" happened under the Pelosi/Reid congress by the way!
Any questions?

Quoted and bolded for truth. Bush bashers conveniently neglect this fact. Bush can only sign or veto the laws that the legislature puts on his desk.

Disclaimer: I am NOT claiming that Bush did not make mistakes. He made many. However, somehow, the Democrat controlled Congress is getting a free-pass in everything that's gone wrong the last few years.

the thing is, bush actually did some redeeming things his last two years, especially his last 6 months. He could have easily gone Hoover on us, and that's where his party stands on the issue.
 

shira

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If we had stayed the hell out of Iraq, and focused on just Afghanistan, our geopolitical situation would be 10 times better: Iraq would be stable, with Saddam still in control, and we'd have have pursued Al Qaeda and the Taliban all through the border region to the point of their annihilation.

No way would Al Gore have invaded Iraq.
 

Arcex

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As to the overall issue, we were better off before Bush Jr's adminstration and and we are better off now that he is out of office.

His entire tenure was marked by scandal after scandal and disastrous policy after disastrous policy. I do not feel he did much to increase our security in terms of terrorism since him being the CIC does not mean he takes responsibilty for the work done by other organizations who would have performed the same work under any other president.

In fact, by including us in a clearly fraudulent war for money our military is weakened enough to make our overall security far lower than it used to be. The economic policies enacted and continued under his adminstration contributed to our weakened state in general, in short I feel he was an overall failure as president.

I had the highest of hopes from the Obama administration, and feel he is helping is some areas, but has also failed so far in many other areas, but since he is still in the first quarter of his first year as president I am hopeful he will get better.


P.S. Dick Cheney eats puppies. At least that's what I heard.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
About the same.

I have to disagree. Bush should have kept with the game plan in Afghanistan instead of looking for excuses to fire up the war machine and trying to be a "war president".

Imagine, an ex-jet pilot who refused to get his physical and a 5 deferment draft dodger deciding we needed to manufacture excuses to invade Iraq without full UN support and with no exit strategy.
 

eleison

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Eight ball says: Too early to tell. The koolaide hasn't left most people's system yet :) American public seems to want to get the screws put into them a little bit harder... (you know, with all the umemployment, pelosi-gate, releasing of pictures, etc)

"B-B-B-B-B-B bush" hahaha; liberals living off the hate of Bush... when will it end? Probably never.. In this way, libs are like a women scorn :p
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: ccbadd
Under Obama, we are definitely not better off. All of these far left leaning pin heads are a waste of oxygen, try to be a little objective why don't you. As far as national security, if we elected a decent president to follow up after GWB, we would be better off. The economy is another story, it is much worse now and the leftie's boy BHO is running with that bull. It is obvious the left does not care about the country, just power and all you zealots are so focused on Bush you can't seem to get your head out of your ass and try to fix things. You listen to BHO tell you something in a speech and never check to see what he really did, which is usually just the opposite of what he claimed he would do. Then you resort to calling honest working people at the Tea Parties redneck racist without paying attention to the fact that what they want is beneficial to all the people of this country, not just your left-wing jackass ideals.

Answer the question you racist redneck teabagging loon.

Oh and a big fucking LOL at the bolded coming from 'The Party Of No'.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: eleison
Eight ball says: Too early to tell. The koolaide hasn't left most people's system yet :) American public seems to want to get the screws put into them a little bit harder... (you know, with all the umemployment, pelosi-gate, releasing of pictures, etc)

"B-B-B-B-B-B bush" hahaha; liberals living off the hate of Bush... when will it end? Probably never.. In this way, libs are like a women scorn :p

Asking what you think about Mr Bush's presidency is "living off the hate of Bush"?
Why do you and Fear No Evil have trouble with this subject?

Why have some posters in this thread have tried to divert the subject to Mr Obama when the OP is clearly about Mr Bush?
 

Stuxnet

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shira

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: shira
No way would Al Gore have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Former Vice President Al Gore Iraq and the War on Terrorism Commonwealth Club of California San Francisco, California September 23, 2002

For those who can't read:

Nevertheless, President Bush is telling us that the most urgent requirement of the moment ? right now ? is not to redouble our efforts against Al Qaeda, not to stabilize the nation of Afghanistan after driving his host government from power, but instead to shift our focus and concentrate on immediately launching a new war against Saddam Hussein. And he is proclaiming a new, uniquely American right to pre-emptively attack whomsoever he may deem represents a potential future threat.

Those are the words who clearly would NOT have invaded Iraq but had no problem with the invasion of Afghanistan and thinks we should redouble our efforts there.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: shira
No way would Al Gore have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Former Vice President Al Gore Iraq and the War on Terrorism Commonwealth Club of California San Francisco, California September 23, 2002

Oh look... it's Al Gore armchair quarterbacking with impunity.

FWIW, I realize I am too.

He wrote this BEFORE we invaded Iraq.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: shira
No way would Al Gore have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Former Vice President Al Gore Iraq and the War on Terrorism Commonwealth Club of California San Francisco, California September 23, 2002

Oh look... it's Al Gore armchair quarterbacking with impunity.

FWIW, I realize I am too.

He wrote this BEFORE we invaded Iraq.

Gee, really? For those who can't read, I said I don't think Gore would have gone into Afghanistan. :confused:
 

Moonbeam

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I don't see how Hannity could say we are better off after Bush when Bush was the reason Obama was elected.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: shira
No way would Al Gore have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Former Vice President Al Gore Iraq and the War on Terrorism Commonwealth Club of California San Francisco, California September 23, 2002

Oh look... it's Al Gore armchair quarterbacking with impunity.

FWIW, I realize I am too.

He wrote this BEFORE we invaded Iraq.

He said armchair quarterbacking, not Monday morning quarterbacking.
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: shira
No way would Al Gore have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Former Vice President Al Gore Iraq and the War on Terrorism Commonwealth Club of California San Francisco, California September 23, 2002

Oh look... it's Al Gore armchair quarterbacking with impunity.

FWIW, I realize I am too.

He wrote this BEFORE we invaded Iraq.

He said armchair quarterbacking, not Monday morning quarterbacking.

So what do ypou call what bourneidentiybs77 is doing by claiming that Gore wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan? Of course Gore would have invaded Afghanistan, to suggest otherwise is just.... stupid.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: shira
No way would Al Gore have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

Tweaked

Former Vice President Al Gore Iraq and the War on Terrorism Commonwealth Club of California San Francisco, California September 23, 2002

Oh look... it's Al Gore armchair quarterbacking with impunity.

FWIW, I realize I am too.

He wrote this BEFORE we invaded Iraq.

He said armchair quarterbacking, not Monday morning quarterbacking.

So what do ypou call what bourneidentiybs77 is doing by claiming that Gore wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan? Of course Gore would have invaded Afghanistan, to suggest otherwise is just.... stupid.

Ahh... so you admittedly don't understand the point, yet you see fit to ridicule it and its scribe.

Excellent :thumbsup: