Was the 2016 presidential election hacked? Not even any suspicion?

[Miramonti]

Pollsters were almost all wrong, which should be a red flag [pun intended], while warnings and concern for hacking potential was common before the election.

Many states use voting machines with paperless trails...including ["reportedly"] Florida and Pennsylvania. A very tight election would make it easier to tilt the vote without raising suspicions.

WARNING — This Presidential Election Could Be Hacked, Perhaps by a Foreign Power

One of the most vulnerable targets are electronic voting machines. While some do generate paper records so that some type of audit trail is available if hacking is suspected, too many do not. This can create what Wired’s Brian Barrett terms a “technological train wreck” because, if some one tampered with the machine’s software, there would probably be no way to prove it by comparing real votes with vote tallies by machine.

Reportedly Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, New Jersey, and South Carolina use voting machines which leave no paper trail. The same is true in some parts of Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Russia was formally blamed for some of the pre-election hacks against the DNC. At the same time, Russia confirmed communication with the Trump team during the campaign. Why? It certainly wasn't about Syria. Would Russia (or another motivated hacker) try to find vulnerabilities in voting machines and be aggressive enough to affect the results?

I've heard of no analysis or suggestions that conclude the election was hacked, but neither am aware of any suspicions raised, which in the least imo, would be a healthy and sensible concern, and seems oddly absent.

 

[NostaSeronx]

To add upon the above, there is also voter suppression. Which had minor to unknown signs that it did happen in the state of Arizona.

https://thinkprogress.org/arizona-voters-demand-justice-department-keep-polls-open-late-tonight-ebcf3fc0057a#

Early Tuesday morning, voters in Maricopa County — Arizona’s biggest county — showed up to their polling places to find confusing signage, malfunctioning electronic poll books and voting machines, and hours-long lines.

“For us, that’s voter suppression,” Phoenix resident Francisca Porchas told ThinkProgress. “Many of the problems are happening on the west side, where a high percent of Latinos trying to vote. We think it’s not a coincidence.”

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes, there was an attempt at voter suppression but Trumps supporters didn't fall for the polls that showed him not having a chance. In fact these polls had the opposite effect, Trump supporters got out and voted while Democrat voters stayed at home thinking Clinton had it in the bag................LOL

 

[Miramonti]

Yes, there was an attempt at voter suppression but Trumps supporters didn't fall for the polls that showed him not having a chance. In fact these polls had the opposite effect, Trump supporters got out and voted while Democrat voters stayed at home thinking Clinton had it in the bag................LOL

What do you base this on, anything that contradicts possible hacking?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That's a simple after-the-fact conclusion based on Trump winning, but otherwise what do you base this on, anything that contradicts possible hacking?

It's obvious when you look at voter turnout. Dem turnout cratered this year compared to 2008 and 2012. Reps held steady and won by a smidgen. Additionally, Trump had an extremely energized voter base that could be relied upon to get out there. To a Dem in Wisconsin or Michigan that thought their states were solid blue, why bother?

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, there was an attempt at voter suppression but Trumps supporters didn't fall for the polls that showed him not having a chance. In fact these polls had the opposite effect, Trump supporters got out and voted while Democrat voters stayed at home thinking Clinton had it in the bag................LOL

Interesting, that would imply that the pollsters were attempting to suppress democratic votes in 2012 as they were wrong in Romney's direction.

Tell us more! I'm excited to hear about the conspiracy!

 

[Kazukian]

Sure it was, we should go to war with Russia over it /s

 

[Miramonti]

It's obvious when you look at voter turnout. Dem turnout cratered this year compared to 2008 and 2012. Reps held steady and won by a smidgen. Additionally, Trump had an extremely energized voter base that could be relied upon to get out there. To a Dem in Wisconsin or Michigan that thought their states were solid blue, why bother?

I would love to see voter turnout data on a state-by-state basis comparing 2016 with 2012/08.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Sure it was, we should go to war with Russia over it /s

The war is in the cold war phase. With Trump and his businesses in the bankroll of Russians. It is clear as day that Trump won't support NATO even if they increase their military budget. Permanent quartering of soldiers in Syria, and threatening nuclear war if a specific candidate wins. Should be a call sign that the war machine is already moving. Especially, with Russian unmanned surveillance marking tactical insertion points for soldiers in Ukraine at Crimea border cities.

Cyber warfare and psychological warfare are the weapons of Russia in the beginning.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I would love to see voter turnout data on a state-by-state basis comparing 2016 with 2012/08.

http://imgur.com/TOGIbcP

EDIT: Not state-by-state, missed that. I'll check...

Well, here you have Trump picking up 100k while Clinton loses 300k.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan,_2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan,_2016

In Wisconsin, Trump gained a mere 2k over Romney, while Clinton lost over 200k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Wisconsin,_2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Wisconsin,_2016

Trump actually had better gains in Penn, up 230k while Clinton was down 150k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_2016

 

[Kazukian]

The war is in the cold war phase. With Trump and his businesses in the bankroll of Russians. It is clear as day that Trump won't support NATO even if they increase their military budget. Permanent quartering of soldiers in Syria, and threatening nuclear war if a specific candidate wins. Should be a call sign that the war machine is already moving. Especially, with Russian unmanned surveillance marking tactical insertion points for soldiers in Ukraine at Crimea border cities.

Cyber warfare and psychological warfare are the weapons of Russia in the beginning.

Curious what you think the CIA does...

 

[zinfamous]

It was rigged, I tell ya!

Until, well, it suddenly wasn't.

 

[SKORPI0]

I would love to see voter turnout data on a state-by-state basis comparing 2016 with 2012/08.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...-others-but-many-votes-remain-uncounted/?_r=0 (State by state 2008 vs. 2012)

More data.....
http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data
http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ghest-and-lowest-turnout-in-2012-in-2-charts/
http://www.fairvote.org/voter_turnout#voter_turnout_101
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voter-turnout-fell-especially-in-states-that-clinton-won/

 

[NostaSeronx]

Curious what you think the CIA does...

The CIA is from the United States, which is about being patriotic as awhell. Get a dose of freedom, you small third world dictatorship. You ain't gassing the civilian population of dissenters anymore! Compared to Russia which is come under heel to Putin so he can exploit you. Then, continue to support dissent killing.

 

[Miramonti]

Sure it was, we should go to war with Russia over it /s

And the cyber war hasn't already started? Ha, it's been game-on for quite a while. Given the recent rhetoric, and the US suggestion we have them by the balls and can act if they attempt to hack the election...simply just makes the possibility of interference more realistic.

 

[Miramonti]

http://imgur.com/TOGIbcP

EDIT: Not state-by-state, missed that. I'll check...

Well, here you have Trump picking up 100k while Clinton loses 300k.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan,_2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan,_2016

In Wisconsin, Trump gained a mere 2k over Romney, while Clinton lost over 200k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Wisconsin,_2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Wisconsin,_2016

Trump actually had better gains in Penn, up 230k while Clinton was down 150k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania,_2016

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data
http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/voter-turnout-data
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ghest-and-lowest-turnout-in-2012-in-2-charts/
http://www.fairvote.org/voter_turnout#voter_turnout_101
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voter-turnout-fell-especially-in-states-that-clinton-won/

Great, got some reading to do.

 

[BoomerD]

Yes. Putin hacked the voting machines. It's the ONLY possible explanation for what happened.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I find it ludicrous that we can get a receipt for buying a piece of gum but can't get a printout at the voting booth of what we just did. Our voting machines are stand alone units which would make an intrusion very difficult. Manipulation could occur once the dump has occurred which is why I advocate a receipt. I wouldn't mind being able to do it online from home so I can snip the screen for my records.

 

[Ken g6]

If the election was hacked, I would expect to see Hillary win in some marginal states that couldn't be easily hacked, like North Carolina or New Hampshire. She didn't, so I think the election wasn't hacked.

 

[kranky]

I am in charge of one of the polling places in PA. I have a lot more confidence in the system we use than in any type of "online voting". I have to generate a printout that shows all vote counts are zero at the start on all machines. I have to post a printout of the results when we close. I have to verify that the vote count exactly matches the number of voters who showed up. I have to provide a signed card for each voter who came to vote. The initial zero vote count printout and the final vote count printout are posted at the polling place at the end of the day for anyone to review. The machines are not connected to the Internet. Anyone can come by at the end of the day and write down the vote counts that were posted, and see if that's the counts that got reported.

The only way there can be funny business is if the entire staff of poll workers collude by letting people sign cards for people who did not show up then letting them vote. One person or even two cannot do it. Could such hijinks be successful in a polling location where the whole staff is determined to rig the vote while risking prosecution? Yes, it's doable - but that's why you need poll watchers to observe what's going on. Unfortunately in PA, you're only allowed to have poll watchers who live in the same county as the polling location they are authorized to monitor, and that's why the biggest danger is in counties that are overwhelmingly in favor of one candidate or party (*cough* Philadelphia *cough*).

 

[jman19]

It was rigged, I tell ya!

Until, well, it suddenly wasn't.

It was rigged depending on who won, obviously.

 

[soundforbjt]

Does Comey count as rigging? If so, yes it was. I agree with Michael Moore that Obama should get a special prosecutor to look into the FBI and it's director.

 

[master_shake_]

isn't possible that hillary was a shitty candidate and the people who backed bernie didn't vote for her?

 

[sxr7171]

Yeah people losing their livelihoods vs people crying over bad words. The left has some valid points. They are upset about the poorer prospects they have. But they need to stop framing it as a race or class issue.

Every time they cry over some words or suppress speech or need a safe space they lose credibility with everyone else. They would do well to enumerate and discuss their points more like adults and maybe everyone else can take them seriously.

Also they need to stop being so overtly manipulative. At this point only 6% of Americans trust the media. No credibility anymore. I see this result more as a rejection of the media than of HRC herself. Of course HRC with her silly feigned southern accent and her grotesque facial expressions didn't help either.

 

[soundforbjt]

isn't possible that hillary was a shitty candidate and the people who backed bernie didn't vote for her?

She wasn't the greatest candidate and Trump was even worse. So far all math points to not enough of Obama's coalition voting and the switching of some rust belt counties.