Was Ross Perot right on NAFTA?

[Mai72]

22 years ago Ross Perot warned America that the big sucking sound we hear is going to be the jobs lost to NAFTA. Millions of jobs lost to China I believe that Ross was correct.

Now, here we are again. Obama and congress are on the verge of signing the Trans Pacific Free Trade Agreement. Again, we're being told that this is what's best for the American economy. It's sad that most Americans don't even know about this.

 

[Slew Foot]

yup

 

[DrDoug]

Yup, and the suck continues with the TPP.

 

[nickqt]

Free the markets, and you free your soul!

 

[Printer Bandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnC1mqyAXmw

 

[sandorski]

China isn't part of NAFTA. So that's not specifically to blame. The idea to just unilaterally open your Borders to all Trade is what's to blame

 

[alcoholbob]

We've gone from 20% of jobs being high paying manufacturing jobs to now around 4% and declining, how much that's directly attributed to NAFTA is hard to say, after all manufacturing has been declining in the U.S for quite some time even before that, at one point nearly half the jobs in this country were in manufacturing, of course that's how the dollar became the world reserve currency when 90% of the world's gold was owned by the United States which was accumulated as payment for U.S. manufactured goods.

 

[Matt1970]

You can only put part of the blame on the trade agreements. A lot of the blame has to go towards the fact that we buy the cheapest shit we can get our hands on. Ya can't keep crying "outsourcing" and shopping at the dollar store at the same time.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I voted for him in 92, too bad more people didn't do the same.

 

[silicon]

22 years ago Ross Perot warned America that the big sucking sound we hear is going to be the jobs lost to NAFTA. Millions of jobs lost to China I believe that Ross was correct.

Now, here we are again. Obama and congress are on the verge of signing the Trans Pacific Free Trade Agreement. Again, we're being told that this is what's best for the American economy. It's sad that most Americans don't even know about this.

Nafta has allowed companies to move to mexico and shutter plants in the US laying off thousands of workers. Good for big business but bad for jobs. These same companies that throw workers out of work so profits are increased forget that these same people may not have any money to buy their foreign produced products.

 

[Jimzz]

You can only put part of the blame on the trade agreements. A lot of the blame has to go towards the fact that we buy the cheapest shit we can get our hands on. Ya can't keep crying "outsourcing" and shopping at the dollar store at the same time.

This. Want those jobs to stay in the US then start asking where that tool, furniture, etc... was made.

 

[Mai72]

Nafta has allowed companies to move to mexico and shutter plants in the US laying off thousands of workers. Good for big business but bad for jobs. These same companies that throw workers out of work so profits are increased forget that these same people may not have any money to buy their foreign produced products.

It's because they're focused on short term profits. I've never gotten the mentality of big business. Don't they think that they would be better off if their customers had greater disposable income?

 

[inachu]

I met Ross Perot in Cloise Box &Trammel Crows office back in the 80's. I would fix all the ceo's home computers which were Tandy Model 3&4. I think I was 14 at the time.

Even South Korea back in the 70's knew that to have a strong military you must have a strong middle class.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes it has helped US jobs go elsewhere. I honestly can't think of a trade deal (recent) that has helped US employment.
Everyone should be aware and vocal about the TPP being approved for fast track. I don't trust our Government to make good trade deals any longer.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This. Want those jobs to stay in the US then start asking where that tool, furniture, etc... was made.

This is what I try to do. I want country of origin to be clearly printed on packages.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, it looks like this is just another one of those "things" that we have no say in the matter of because if we did, this "thing" would never happen.

I sure would like Obama to "esplain" to us on a nationally televised broadcast how this deal is one we can't pass up on, given that we already "import" millions of folks who don't mind working for pennies on the dollar, while in exchange we export our good paying jobs to the countries where these very same folks come from.

 

[Free_Speech]

It's because they're focused on short term profits. I've never gotten the mentality of big business. Don't they think that they would be better off if their customers had greater disposable income?

I can't understand why they don't see that.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well, it looks like this is just another one of those "things" that we have no say in the matter of because if we did, this "thing" would never happen.

I sure would like Obama to "esplain" to us on a nationally televised broadcast how this deal is one we can't pass up on, given that we already "import" millions of folks who don't mind working for pennies on the dollar, while in exchange we export our good paying jobs to the countries where these very same folks come from.

Honestly we already know Obama is for it yes I'd like to know what he thinks it will accomplish but I'd prefer to have an up or down vote on it in the House and Senate. This would add accountability because we would all know who is for or against it, if it goes well we can give credit if it fails we can give blame.

 

[master_shake_]

Yup, and the suck continues with the TPP.

i really had a laugh at the rationale of the TPP...

The Obama administration argues that it's important for TPP to succeed so that the United States — not China — gets to shape the rules that govern trade across the Pacific. But this argument only makes sense if you believe US negotiators are taking positions that are in the broad interests of the American public. If, as critics contend, USTR's agenda is heavily tilted toward the interests of a few well-connected interest groups, then the deal may not be good for America at all.

never ever ever going to happen.

china is the world and the world belongs to them.

 

[fskimospy]

22 years ago Ross Perot warned America that the big sucking sound we hear is going to be the jobs lost to NAFTA. Millions of jobs lost to China I believe that Ross was correct.

Now, here we are again. Obama and congress are on the verge of signing the Trans Pacific Free Trade Agreement. Again, we're being told that this is what's best for the American economy. It's sad that most Americans don't even know about this.

You're going to have to explain to me how North American free trade made jobs go to China?

All else being equal, fewer trade barriers are better than more trade barriers. The real downside for the US is that we have an issue where people are unwilling to expand the social safety net in order to pick up people dislocated by the inefficient industries that free trade cuts or eliminates.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Ross Perot was right about these free trade agreements, ie like NAFTA which has killed american jobs and every other one that came after it.

Ross Perot was already rich so he did not feel the need to fuck the US so he can add a couple more zeros to his account. He is also a very patriotic person and wants the make sure The US is a viable country now and in the future for the foreseeable future.

Think about it what CEO would spend money to send mercs into Iran to rescue two of his employees?

We need more people like Ross Perot at the top to get us back on track. Unfortunately what we have are mealy mouthed sellouts trying to grab every last cent they can regardless of the long term future of this country. Sad, He is the last of his kind.

 

[norseamd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO51ahW9JlE

 

[JSt0rm]

You're going to have to explain to me how North American free trade made jobs go to China?

All else being equal, fewer trade barriers are better than more trade barriers. The real downside for the US is that we have an issue where people are unwilling to expand the social safety net in order to pick up people dislocated by the inefficient industries that free trade cuts or eliminates.

come on man. The real downside is people of lower mental capacity cant find work anymore. We have never been an educated nation. We shipped out peoples good jobs for profit for a few. I laugh whenever I hear any politician talk about jobs because we all know its bullshit.

Look how long it took texashiker to get a job? Now he is sliding up and down a tugboat 3.5 weeks out of the month. Crap job that probably used to pay well but its probably hovering around the $15 a hour range because desperate people will take the job. That job probably paid $20 a hour in 1981.

The politicians sold the people out for their .01% buddies. The problem is the jobs were shipped overseas not welfare for the poor shlubs that remain. I agree those people need to be fed, clothed (with Chinese shit) and housed but that problem isnt there.

 

[norseamd]

Why waste words and time with that guy.

He is pure neoliberalism.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why waste words and time with that guy.

He is pure neoliberalism.

I like him. He has good points. But on this issue he is probably too smart to realize how fucking dumb most americans are.