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NoToRiOuS1

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Originally posted by: wetcat007
Originally posted by: Skychan
I just bought this monitor and it is truly amazing with all the advertised features! However, I am having problems with several things and Im wondering if anyone here bought this monitor and can help me.

First of all, it is advertised to be able to do 75hz refresh rate at native rez of 1680*1050, however i cannot exceed 60hz. The monitor does NOT come with drivers (even tech support admits this) and just uses windows drivers. I can force it into 75hz with Nvidia display drivers, but then it goes all blurry. Their tech support has been unable to help me.

The other problem is really a complaint i have about this display. It cannot do true black...i am used to high end CRT monitors and black is black on those things....i dont really like the looks of movies and games when black is just a dark grey. Are all LCD monitors like this? or if i got the highest end 19" LCD would it be true black? Their tech support could do nothing other than to generalize and say that LCDs often cannot do as good of black as CRT, but they said High end LCDs can do black very close to true black...but they didnt state if this monitor was a high end monitor.... *frown*

Thirdly, i am an avid video gamer and have the BFG 6600GT OC, but with alot of games out there running at 1680*1050 is not only too much work for it, but also many games do not support wide screen viewing and then the image is stretched (which the Faroudja does an EXCELLENT job of filtering the image...however it is not and never will be as crisp as running at native rez). So, there are two solutions... 1) find a way to make the game's camera capture a wider view, rather than just stretching or 2) find a way to force the monitor to only use 1280*1024 (yes i know thats not quite 4:3) pixels with a black border...understand what i mean? Essentially just trim the monitor back to a 4:3 ratio display for games that do not support widescreen or for games my card cannot handle the widescreen rez.

This last problem is one that must be solvable, otherwise im going back (to my dismay) to 4:3 ratio displays. I cannot stand a stretched image, i dont want to see the characters looking all fat!
But this monitor just brings widescreen DVDs to life like nothing else! Such crisp detail and vivid colors! (just that damn black!!!)

Tech support is useless, but i figured the geeks of the world might be able to help me out!

thx a ton you guys!

-Skychan ^_^

find a way to force the monitor to only use 1280*1024 (yes i know thats not quite 4:3) pixels with a black border...understand what i mean?

You can do that in the settings for nvidia video cards. Works great.


is that setting not available with ATi cards?
i wonder if the omega drivers have that feature for ATi cards?
 

thezerodean

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Anyone have any leads on whether this monitor is available by itself at any Costco in the Los Angeles, CA area or if the Costco's selling it alone are the exception and not the norm?

I've been to 3 Costco's in the past day... only one had the bundle (not sold seperately - Culver City location) and the other two (Inglewood and Hawthorne locations) didn't have the bundle at all.

Want to get it at Costco because of the excellent return policy.
 

NoToRiOuS1

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check best buy
i know for a fact that they sell it
in fact, if i can just remember, when i go there tomorrow, i can find out for you if they have any of these monitors in stock at any LA area best buys. i know you are looking to go to costco but figured it might be helpful somehow if i can get this info for you. will let you know by tomorrow :)
 

Bonesnap

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Excellent, thank you. I have a friend in Florida who's picking one up for me today and coming back on Saturday, so I should have one in a few days. I can't wait.

Can anyone clarify what this 1080i and 1080p means? Thanks in advance.
 

NoToRiOuS1

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all i know is 1080p stands for progressive scan, and 1080i is interlaced. and 1080p is better than 1080i in terms of quality of picture. unfortunately this monitor cannot do 1080p according to someone in this thread. but it can do 1080i. hope someone can verify some of this and provide a little extra information for you bonesnap.
 

imported_Dhaval00

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Originally posted by: faboloso112
all i know is 1080p stands for progressive scan, and 1080i is interlaced. and 1080p is better than 1080i in terms of quality of picture. unfortunately this monitor cannot do 1080p according to someone in this thread. but it can do 1080i. hope someone can verify some of this and provide a little extra information for you bonesnap.


I was the one who made that claim. ANd I don't think that we need to elaborate more on the issue. Both ATI & nVIDIA support the 1080p option, but the monitor doesn't support it. 1080p is better than 1080i, but who the hell is going to scan for quality at such good resolutions. Moreover, the monitor can support miages of 720p natively. When I say "natively," I mean it doesn't have to downgrade the image from a higher resloution (like in 1080, which operates at 1920X1080). 720p runs @ 1280 X 720 and is know as what we call "EDTV" resolution. I am sure you have downloaded EDTV TV shows - Can you honestly tell the difference between a 720p signal and a 1080p signal? Ofcourse, this monitor supports the 1080i signal, and I did connect an upconverting DVD player at that resolution. As pointed out earlier, the video was breathtaking.

Moreover, I have tested the monitor on both ATI (X850XT) and nVIDIA (7800 GT) cards - no difference in the pictures, whatsoever. The choice is yours to make. But the fact reamins that this monitor rules.

THERE WAS ONE GRUDGE THAT I HELD AGAINST THIS MONITOR - ITS INABILITY TO MAINTAIN 4:3 RATIO WITH BLACK BARS ON THE SIDES JUST LIKE THE 2005FPW. IF YOU HAVE AN nVIDIA CARD, THEN THIS IS NO MORE AN ISSUE AS nVIDIA's NEWER DRIVERS SUPPORT "FORCING THE ASPECT RATIO IN GAMES."
So if you own an nVIDIA card, and will buy this monitor, you would have made a great choice. It'd definitely kick the 2005FPW's ass.

PS: I own a 2005FPW, too, and I don't think it is a bad monitor. I still think it is a kick ass monitor. But with the XBOX 360 out (supports 720 natively), and VISTA getting in bed with HD DVD (which uses HDCP), this monitor is the only decent offering currently. I don't think I can justify spending ~$360 on the 2005FPW if it is not going to work with future technologies. Sure there are nut jobs who think HDCP can be cracked, but you'll end up paying 100's of $ (at the current rates) for such boxes. I may soon sell my 2005FPW, but having dual WS monitors side by side, is like a dream come true (imagine yourself, if you are a guy, in a room with two hot lesbians making out).
 

NoToRiOuS1

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damn....i have a x800xl...and if it(the driver) doesn't force the aspect ratio in games on this monitor, then it might be a temporary no-go for this monitor.
 

Skychan

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Topic Idea that I believe is not mentioned in this thread:

How old is this monitor and how well has it been tested and revisions, etc been done to prevent those possible oddities in new technologies?

I mentioned this new monitor to a friend, and he pointed out this idea. He said that past monitors have had to be released for a while before they fixed all the little querks with it with revisions.

Is this a possible issue?

-Skychan
 

Skychan

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Dhaval00

you said you have both the 2005FPW and the 2185W.

Could you please tell me how the two monitors compare when it comes to dark scenes and their abilities to display black pixels? Does the Dell monitor beat out the Gateway?

thx a ton dude!

-Skychan
 

imported_Dhaval00

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Originally posted by: Skychan
Dhaval00

you said you have both the 2005FPW and the 2185W.

Could you please tell me how the two monitors compare when it comes to dark scenes and their abilities to display black pixels? Does the Dell monitor beat out the Gateway?

thx a ton dude!

-Skychan


I already told you: Both the monitors are very bright right out of the box. I make adjustments to my video card's Gamma settings to tone down the brightness and bring down the "super" white backlight. To address your query, I reset both the monitors right now, and adjusted the Gamma, Color, and Contrast settings directly from my video card's menu. I can't make these settings EQUAL, mainly because their contrast ratios are different. But I did try to get an identical "black" background. Blacks look almost identical. The 2005FPW panel I have is a panel that I received after SEVEN EXCAHNGES. Nevertheless, it suffers from major backlight bleeding in 3/4 corners. The Gateway panel suffers from a minor backlight in the bottom left corner. When I increased the viewing angle by maybe just 20-30 degrees, (I did not have a protractor in my hands, but I do know "Angles") the 2005FPW became increasingly violet when viewing pictures/videos. FOR SOME WEIRD AND UNKNOWN REASONS, (this is an observation I am making public right now, but I have known it for quite some time now) THE GATEWAY PANEL'S SCREEN BECOMES MORE VIBRANT WHEN VIEWING MOVIES/PICTURES.

As far as black colors go, I think both the monitors perform identically. It depends more on your settings, your video card, and most importantly the GAMMA. If you have to make a choice between the 2005FPW and the Gateway panel, and prefer quality, go for the Gateway panel. I can reject DELL's offerings after my seven exchanges, but then the 2005FPW is offered at a price which I like to call "quality-lacking." So, if you don't want to be future-proof and can tolerate a monitor which suffers from backlight bleeding (in most cases - most people know the horror stories of 2005FPW's backlight bleeding), go for the 2005FPW. As far as gaming goes, both monitors perfomr equally. Even though DELL posts a gray-to-gray time of 16ms, I have never observed any kind of lag in games.

The choice is yours to make, Skychan. You have the privilage of reading other's experiences - I'd recommed you do it, and not just depend on my opinions :). Of course, my choice, at this very point in time, would be the Gateway panel. Moreover, if you get it from Costco, you end up pocketing the most invaluable return policy in the US.
 

Skychan

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thx man! ur the best. Such an incredible help. Its just always hard to justify spending over $900 on something as simple as a monitor. All of your input as well as what has been voiced by others has been a great deal of help!

thx peeps!

-Skychan ^_^
 

palomino33

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I am new to the forum and hope you people can help me out. I just bought this monitor yesterday and I am not able to make my computer change the resolution to 1680 x 1050....it only wants to do 1600 x 1200. Do I need to have a better video card to support widescreen? I have an HP computer with whatever video card came with it. I installed the software that came with the monitor, but it doesn't seem to help. Do you guys/gals have any ideas???
 

NoToRiOuS1

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palomino33, right click on your desktop, then click on properties, then click on settings tabs, then click on the advanced tab which is on the bottom right, then another box will open up and click the Adapter tab.

what does it say there?
 

NoToRiOuS1

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Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
Originally posted by: Skychan
Its just always hard to justify spending over $900 on something as simple as a monitor.

The price went up to $900?


i think he's talking about the price in canada if im not mistaken
 

Skychan

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Originally posted by: faboloso112
Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
Originally posted by: Skychan
Its just always hard to justify spending over $900 on something as simple as a monitor.

The price went up to $900?


i think he's talking about the price in canada if im not mistaken


its $800 at FS and BB in Canada, with tax thats more than $900
 

VooDooAddict

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Originally posted by: Skychan
Originally posted by: faboloso112
Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
Originally posted by: Skychan
Its just always hard to justify spending over $900 on something as simple as a monitor.

The price went up to $900?


i think he's talking about the price in canada if im not mistaken


its $800 at FS and BB in Canada, with tax thats more than $900


I see.

How could I forget that Skychan is in Canada?
 

palomino33

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I'm not sure what it says when I click on the adaptors tab right now (I'm on my laptop, not my desktop)...but I have done that and clicked on the tab that says to list all available resolutions and 1680 x 1050 is not available. I will check when I get home today and get back to you with the info. Thanks for helping out.
 

djnsmith7

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All I can say is...WOW! This thing just replaced my awesome 19" Viewsonic & what an upgrade this is!

Setup took about 5 minutes once out of all the packaging. Had to select a few simple options using the Wizard & it was all done.

I'm very impressed with it & glad I got it. All the colors, brightness & clarity are just awesome so far. Yes, I've only had it up & running for an hour, but I'm still impressed.

Dang this thing is bright.

I can take pics if anyone here is having a difficult time making a decision. Games I can take some pics of are BF2, HL2 & Quake 4, to name a few.

If you want pics of other screen shots, let me know. I'm not a monitor expert or guru, so I won't be able to get too technical for you...

Anyway, I don't think I'll ever be looking back from this point on...Damn Nice monitor!
 

EagleEye

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Originally posted by: djnsmith7
All I can say is...WOW! This thing just replaced my awesome 19" Viewsonic & what an upgrade this is!

Setup took about 5 minutes once out of all the packaging. Had to select a few simple options using the Wizard & it was all done.

I'm very impressed with it & glad I got it. All the colors, brightness & clarity are just awesome so far. Yes, I've only had it up & running for an hour, but I'm still impressed.

Dang this thing is bright.

I can take pics if anyone here is having a difficult time making a decision. Games I can take some pics of are BF2, HL2 & Quake 4, to name a few.

If you want pics of other screen shots, let me know. I'm not a monitor expert or guru, so I won't be able to get too technical for you...

Anyway, I don't think I'll ever be looking back from this point on...Damn Nice monitor!


How is the response time in those FPS's? Do you notice any ghosting or would you say that it is the 8ms response time is adaquite.
 

djnsmith7

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Originally posted by: EagleEye
Originally posted by: djnsmith7
All I can say is...WOW! This thing just replaced my awesome 19" Viewsonic & what an upgrade this is!

Setup took about 5 minutes once out of all the packaging. Had to select a few simple options using the Wizard & it was all done.

I'm very impressed with it & glad I got it. All the colors, brightness & clarity are just awesome so far. Yes, I've only had it up & running for an hour, but I'm still impressed.

Dang this thing is bright.

I can take pics if anyone here is having a difficult time making a decision. Games I can take some pics of are BF2, HL2 & Quake 4, to name a few.

If you want pics of other screen shots, let me know. I'm not a monitor expert or guru, so I won't be able to get too technical for you...

Anyway, I don't think I'll ever be looking back from this point on...Damn Nice monitor!


How is the response time in those FPS's? Do you notice any ghosting or would you say that it is the 8ms response time is adaquite.


I'm not sure that I've spent sufficient time messing with this monitor in-game to accurately answer that. I can say this though...During the one round I played on BF2, it seemed flawless to me. I did just about everything from running uphill on foot to driving like a mad man in the APCs...Everything seemed just as they did on my CRT...but with better clarity & more crisp.

I didn't notice any ghosting or shadows or fading of any colors anywhere...But again...This is only after a single round of BF2.

I'll post the pics requested above tomorrow.

 

imported_Dhaval00

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Originally posted by: EagleEye
How is the response time in those FPS's? Do you notice any ghosting or would you say that it is the 8ms response time is adaquite.

This was already covered previously... the response time is 8ms, which is 8ms lower than that of the 2005FPW's. The 2005FPW doesn't portray any ghosting at 16ms; neither does this monitor - at 8ms, it better not :)

As far as I am concerned, ZERO ghosting in DOD Source and COD 2. I will be trying NFS Most Wanted later this week once I am done with my exams. I will post an update then, because I seriously think that those fast moving cars and frames will reveal a lot about the monitor's response time.