WAS HOT! Gateway has a 21" Widescreen Monitor for $599.99

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Dhaval00

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
It's the same as the 2005FPW. I ordered one but haven't got it yet --- I am pretty sure it is still the same LG.Philips LCD panel though. I wouldn't return your Dell for it.

Kristopher

I just checked the specs on this LCD at Gateway site. Gateway list the panel type as S-PVA. Dell 2005fpw uses S-IPS panel. So how can you say it's the same panel?

21" vs 20" gave me doubt about it being the same panel. Given that this Gateway is using S-PVA panel, I bet Samsung makes the panel just like the Dell 2405fpw.

S-PVA panel, ugh no thanks. I'll pass on this LCD. The reason I passed on Dell 2405fpw was due to S-PVA panel.

Go here and read a bit about PVA panels: http://www.behardware.com/art/imprimer/587/

I guess the only time it may make a difference is when you are the lead graphics designer for Getty Images. It is just a discomfort that most IT gurus have generalized on PVA panels. They were bad, but the technology has evolved quite a bit, as far as I can tell. Regardless of the the panel type, the companies aren't going to increase or decrease their warranties as far as LCDs go. I have been sitting in front of the Gateway monitor for the past 5 hours, and I must admit that it kicks the 2005FPW's ass (which by the way is a SIPS panel). The only bug with the Gateway panel is its inability to maintain a 1:1 ratio for games at non-native resolution like the 2005FPW.


<n00b> Difference between PVA and IPS panels <n00b>

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html

"PVA's give an excellent overview of the different display types. Generally speaking, PVA/MVA panels will give the best colours and deepest blacks but have traditionally been quite slow wrt reponse time.The latest Samsung PVA panels use a pre-tilt overdriving technique though, which brings the response time very close to or better than many IPS/TN+ panels."

It's personal preference. I prefer S-IPS panel. Slightly blacker black doesn't outweigh the reduced viewing angle for me. I run dual monitor with LCD/CRT so black level isn't huge concern to me. If I want black, I just move the image or the game over to my CRT screen side. Response time is probably a wash with the slight edge to S-IPS even at 16ms. I do love the component in and Faroudja chip for the composite and S-Video. With tax this Gateway is $642 for me. I paid $359 shipped w/ tax after Fatcash for my Dell 2005fpw direct from Dell. Component and Faroudja is not worth almost double the cost of my 2005fpw.

I never trust specs from Samsung. Samsung has a bad habit of inflating specs on their monitors. They did it w/ their CRTs and they're doing it again w/ their LCDs.

 

[imported_Dhaval00]

Originally posted by: Naustica
It's personal preference. I prefer S-IPS panel. Slightly blacker black doesn't outweigh the reduced viewing angle for me. I run dual monitor with LCD/CRT so black level isn't huge concern to me. If I want black, I just move the image or the game over to my CRT screen side. Response time is probably a wash with the slight edge to S-IPS even at 16ms. I do love the component in and Faroudja chip for the composite and S-Video. With tax this Gateway is $642 for me. I paid $359 shipped w/ tax after Fatcash for my Dell 2005fpw direct from Dell. Component and Faroudja is not worth almost double the cost of my 2005fpw.

I never trust specs from Samsung. Samsung has a bad habit of inflating specs on their monitors. They did it w/ their CRTs and they're doing it again w/ their LCDs.

Viewing angle? Are you actually telling me that you are going to view a panel at more than 30-40 degrees angle, let alone 178 degrees? Moreover i have this panel sitting right next to the 2005FPW. I turn them at an angle, the Gateway panel looks creamish, but keeps its colors, while the DELL panel exponentially becomes violet as the angle increases. As I said, at least look @ the panel.

If you don't mind me asking, @ $359, is your monitor perfect? Is there zero backlight bleed? This one did cost me $640, but it has all the goodies that the 2005FPW has, and more. And the issue of Samsung over-reporting its response time is quite a bit exaggerated. Even DELL with its SIPS panel has liberal numbers posted for its panels. If you think I am lying, read Anand's take on the monitors about how DELL has posted greater numbers than those actually posted by other manufacturer's using the same SIPS panel. Also, look @ tom's take on the DELL's 2405 which uses a PVA panel. http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050830/index.html

My only point is that being tech-geeks, we should keep these technologies in mind and not just play ball "the way DELL wants you to play it." At this point I won't hesitate a bit to guesstimate that DELL has sent out more flawed panels @ customers doors than "ALMOST" perfect ones.

 

[jmunjr]

"The only bug with the Gateway panel is its inability to maintain a 1:1 ratio for games at non-native resolution like the 2005FPW."

This sounds like it would be a serious concern for many..

Also, even on my 2005FPW when I rock my head back and forth left to right I notice the edges of the screen change intensity due to viewing angle limitations.. It is very very subtle but I notice it, so anyhting worse would not be a good thing. The 2005FPW is my 2nd LCD and as far as I am concerned LCD is the weakest technology out there for quality of picture, though not sure what else there besides CRT at ~20"...

 

[Chadder007]

Heck, im surprised that Gateway actually came up with a deal for once. Looks like they are catching on to what Dell has been doing. Good for them.

 

[ponyo]

Viewing angle? Are you actually telling me that you are going to view a panel at more than 30-40 degrees angle, let alone 178 degrees? Moreover i have this panel sitting right next to the 2005FPW. I turn them at an angle, the Gateway panel looks creamish, but keeps its colors, while the DELL panel exponentially becomes violet as the angle increases. As I said, at least look @ the panel.

OK. I admit I was fishing a bit with that viewing angle comment. You're correct that the LG-Phillips panel shows violet as the angles increase.

As for my 2005fpw, the backlight is very uniform and leakage is nonexistent. It has two dead pixels which are nonissue.

But my 2001fp has pretty severe backlight leakage on the upper right corner and slight on the upper center. I think the leakage size has gotten bigger over the past 2 years I had this monitor. It also has 2 dead pixels which again is nonissue.

This monitor has excellent specs and great features like component and Faroudja and priced pretty competitive. My only reservation was the use of the SPVA panel but you've convinced me that it's just as good or in cases better than SIPS panel. Now where are the coupons?

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Heck, im surprised that Gateway actually came up with a deal for once. Looks like they are catching on to what Dell has been doing. Good for them.

I hope this is the beginning of some strong competition for Dell...with us as the winners!

I really want to buy a widescreen LCD and both the 2005 and 2405 are so tempting...I'm just waiting for the right deal. I'm still smacking myself for not jumping on the deal for the 2005 when it was around the 360 mark with free shipping...<sigh>.

 

[Dawgie]

wish i had the money for the gateway, but i gotta settle with this 2005FPW, oh well

 

[jamesbond007]

Originally posted by: Dawgie
wish i had the money for the gateway, but i gotta settle with this 2005FPW, oh well

Oh, you poor baby!

<<< 17" 1704FPT here. Though, I have no complaints or regrets!

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: jamesbond007

Originally posted by: Dawgie
wish i had the money for the gateway, but i gotta settle with this 2005FPW, oh well

Oh, you poor baby!

<<< 17" 1704FPT here. Though, I have no complaints or regrets!

ROFL

Another 2005FPW user here.. this 1680x1050 widescreen is a good example of how rough my life is.

 

[gi0rgi0]

Any reviews on this ? Im passing on the dell 2005 deal cuz of this but I havent found any reviews.

 

[Pardus]

do dell's lcd monitors have PIP?

 

[rivan]

Personally, I wouldn't buy any LCD right now, if you can hold off for 6 months - unless it's just a crazy deal, 21" for $200 or something.

With headlines like this I'd have to expect significant price drops across the board.

Then again, maybe at that point we'll all be drooling over 30" widescreens as monitors, instead of today's paltry 20"ers.

 

[Karaktu]

Originally posted by: ActiveX
do dell's lcd monitors have PIP?

I know the 2005FPW does, and I'd have to imaging the 2405FPW does, too.

 

[gi0rgi0]

Originally posted by: rivan
Personally, I wouldn't buy any LCD right now, if you can hold off for 6 months - unless it's just a crazy deal, 21" for $200 or something.

With headlines like this I'd have to expect significant price drops across the board.

Then again, maybe at that point we'll all be drooling over 30" widescreens as monitors, instead of today's paltry 20"ers.

Im thinking of waiting a few months. Hopefully it'll pay off, hehe.

 

[mchammer187]

for 600 this is no deal

same res as 2005FPW

for 150 more you can get a 2405

if you are looking for the HDCP than you might want this otherwise I would pass

 

[DestruyaUR]

Originally posted by: rivan
Personally, I wouldn't buy any LCD right now, if you can hold off for 6 months - unless it's just a crazy deal, 21" for $200 or something.

With headlines like this I'd have to expect significant price drops across the board.

Then again, maybe at that point we'll all be drooling over 30" widescreens as monitors, instead of today's paltry 20"ers.

Not to mention the introduction of DisplayPort down the line, threatening to render DVI/HDMI somewhat obsolete...at least in the computer realm.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: zoz123
Is it ready to work with XBOX 360, PS3 and PS2?

its ready for current xbox , ps2 , xbox 360 , ps3 , HD-DVD . blu-ray , vista and new crappy protetion devices.

 

[batmanuel]

A lot of people have complained that this monitor, even though it has HDCP, does have the proper resolution to do 1080p. My question is, what happens if you try to watch 1080p video on this monitor? Does the monitor rescale the image (which would make the picture potentially look a bit softer), or would the monitor just keep the image at native size and crop off 15 pixels from the top and bottom? If it keeps the image native and just crops a relatively tiny number of pixels, I can deal.

Also, I really think this would be a great monitor to use for an XBox 360, since it does have a set of component inputs for HD video. The image quality is likelygoing to be a bit softer using component, but for a video game that's not a huge issue like it is for reading small text on your computer so I'd probably wind up using the DVI for my PC and component for an XBox 360.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: batmanuel
A lot of people have complained that this monitor, even though it has HDCP, does have the proper resolution to do 1080p. My question is, what happens if you try to watch 1080p video on this monitor? Does the monitor rescale the image (which would make the picture potentially look a bit softer), or would the monitor just keep the image at native size and crop off 15 pixels from the top and bottom? If it keeps the image native and just crops a relatively tiny number of pixels, I can deal.

Also, I really think this would be a great monitor to use for an XBox 360, since it does have a set of component inputs for HD video. The image quality is likelygoing to be a bit softer using component, but for a video game that's not a huge issue like it is for reading small text on your computer so I'd probably wind up using the DVI for my PC and component for an XBox 360.

I would imagine that the monitor scales 1080p video down. The issue isn't necessarily the vertical number of pixels - 1080 down to 1050 is a small scale/crop, as you said. The monitor is "only" 1680 pixels wide, so 1080i/1080p video would have to be scaled down horizontally, since 240 pixels (from 1920) is really probably too much to just crop. Then of course, remember that this is a 16:10 monitor (like all widescreen computer monitors), not 16:9 like HDTV standards. To watch an HDTV signal scaled perfectly with keeping the aspect ratio, there would be small letterboxing bars on the top/bottom.

Edit: About the scaling though - I watch HDTV on my 2005FPW and I think that 1080i still looks better than 720p (at least for still images; motion is sometimes another story) even being scaled down.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: batmanuel
A lot of people have complained that this monitor, even though it has HDCP, does have the proper resolution to do 1080p. My question is, what happens if you try to watch 1080p video on this monitor? Does the monitor rescale the image (which would make the picture potentially look a bit softer), or would the monitor just keep the image at native size and crop off 15 pixels from the top and bottom? If it keeps the image native and just crops a relatively tiny number of pixels, I can deal.

Also, I really think this would be a great monitor to use for an XBox 360, since it does have a set of component inputs for HD video. The image quality is likelygoing to be a bit softer using component, but for a video game that's not a huge issue like it is for reading small text on your computer so I'd probably wind up using the DVI for my PC and component for an XBox 360.

I would imagine that the monitor scales 1080p video down. The issue isn't necessarily the vertical number of pixels - 1080 down to 1050 is a small scale/crop, as you said. The monitor is "only" 1680 pixels wide, so 1080i/1080p video would have to be scaled down horizontally, since 240 pixels (from 1920) is really probably too much to just crop. Then of course, remember that this is a 16:10 monitor (like all widescreen computer monitors), not 16:9 like HDTV standards. To watch an HDTV signal scaled perfectly with keeping the aspect ratio, there would be small letterboxing bars on the top/bottom.

Edit: About the scaling though - I watch HDTV on my 2005FPW and I think that 1080i still looks better than 720p (at least for still images; motion is sometimes another story) even being scaled down.

Actually, the vertical would be scaled down to 945, not 1050.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: batmanuel
A lot of people have complained that this monitor, even though it has HDCP, does have the proper resolution to do 1080p. My question is, what happens if you try to watch 1080p video on this monitor? Does the monitor rescale the image (which would make the picture potentially look a bit softer), or would the monitor just keep the image at native size and crop off 15 pixels from the top and bottom? If it keeps the image native and just crops a relatively tiny number of pixels, I can deal.

Also, I really think this would be a great monitor to use for an XBox 360, since it does have a set of component inputs for HD video. The image quality is likelygoing to be a bit softer using component, but for a video game that's not a huge issue like it is for reading small text on your computer so I'd probably wind up using the DVI for my PC and component for an XBox 360.

I would imagine that the monitor scales 1080p video down. The issue isn't necessarily the vertical number of pixels - 1080 down to 1050 is a small scale/crop, as you said. The monitor is "only" 1680 pixels wide, so 1080i/1080p video would have to be scaled down horizontally, since 240 pixels (from 1920) is really probably too much to just crop. Then of course, remember that this is a 16:10 monitor (like all widescreen computer monitors), not 16:9 like HDTV standards. To watch an HDTV signal scaled perfectly with keeping the aspect ratio, there would be small letterboxing bars on the top/bottom.

Edit: About the scaling though - I watch HDTV on my 2005FPW and I think that 1080i still looks better than 720p (at least for still images; motion is sometimes another story) even being scaled down.

Actually, the vertical would be scaled down to 945, not 1050.

:thumbsup: Yeah, I kinda left that out when I mentioned that the monitor isn't 16:9. Basically I was just trying to say that although the monitor "almost" has enough vertical lines of resolution for 1080p, it has quite a few less than is needed horizontally (1680 vs. 1920) because of the different aspect ratios.

 

[aatf510]

I think it should be a great WS monitor for gaming.
Since the 2005fpw and the 2405fps blurs awefully bad in motions.

 

[drifter106]

Originally posted by: toattett
I think it should be a great WS monitor for gaming.
Since the 2005fpw and the 2405fps blurs awefully bad in motions.

Maybe I am lucky about the ghosting thing...I have 2 2005's and dang if I can see it. Didn't see it posted in your specs.... Unless the 12 vs 8 response time is significant AND you need the HDCP ability I can't see dishing out an extra $200 for a monitor. Last 2005 I bought was $381 (AUG 05) and I have seen them go as low $369. If only the price were a little more competitive it would be something to consider IMO...

 

[aatf510]

Yup, I just got a 2005fpw last Tuesday for $374.
Place it by the side of my 19" CRT and produced a clone image.
You can definately see things go entirely blury while it's still crytal clear on the CRT.
BTW, I think the 2005fpw has a 16ms response time.

 

[drifter106]

Originally posted by: toattett
Yup, I just got a 2005fpw last Tuesday for $374.
Place it by the side of my 19" CRT and produced a clone image.
You can definately see things go entirely blury while it's still crytal clear on the CRT.
BTW, I think the 2005fpw has a 16ms response time.

I just checked Dell's website before I posted my first post...here is a copy and paste...it is 12...


Product Highlights

* Watch DVDs in natural format and run multiple applications simultaneously
* Wide aspect panel improves productivity with less scrolling and toggling
* Supports advanced features like PIP (Picture in Picture) and PBP (Picture By Picture)
* Delivers distortion-free, sharp images with 600:1 contrast ratio and 12 millisecond response time
* Panels pivot, swivel, and tilt to optimize viewer comfort
* Add multimedia capability to Dell? UltraSharp? 2005FPW display with the optional AS500 sound bar
* Dell-branded monitors undergo exhaustive testing for performance, reliability, durability and compatibility with Dell? systems
* Supported by Dell? Tech Support

Insofar as the crystal clear image...I usually run my resolution at 1024 X 768...maybe thats why I don't notice what you were referring to...