Wartime whistleblowers should be court-martialed and inprisoned.

[Passions]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&e=9&u=/afp/iraq_britain_prisoners

These kind of cases of abuse, etc, should be taken care of discretely and in private WITHIN the military system. Why bring it out to the public and undermine a war effort? Bunch of troublemaking, attention grabbing, FOOLS! There is no reason for public humiliation of the government. These whistleblowers are enemies of the government and should be inprisioned immediately!!! No sarcasm here, just plain truth.

 

[Czar]

they had a few months to deal with it but whoopsi nothung was done

 

[earthman]

Hmm, yeah, we wouldn't want anything as nasty as the TRUTH to come out, now, would we?

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: earthman
Hmm, yeah, we wouldn't want anything as nasty as the TRUTH to come out, now, would we?

The truth can be handled privately in some situations. Wartime is a great example. Another would be an affair between parents, you don't need to bring that out in front of your children, RIGHT? That kind of info would only harm the children and scar them. In the same light, a wartime can be devastated and scarred with damaging info. Recognize!

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Passions
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&e=9&u=/afp/iraq_britain_prisoners

These kind of cases of abuse, etc, should be taken care of discretely and in private WITHIN the military system. Why bring it out to the public and undermine a war effort? Bunch of troublemaking, attention grabbing, FOOLS! There is no reason for public humiliation of the government. These whistleblowers are enemies of the government and should be inprisioned immediately!!! No sarcasm here, just plain truth.

Wow, we should probably have all the wartime news censored so theres no undermining what so ever. All we need is some ww2 propaganda posters with happy slogans like "Everyone does their part" depicting a group of american men shoving a broomstick up the ass of a middle eastern looking guy.

We really wouldn't want anything like the people of united states knowing whats actually going on, i mean they are ultimately the voice and consent those soldiers were representing (per the basic idea of democracy).

Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Führer!

... GET OFF THE DRUGS PLEASE.

 

[smashp]

Move TO Cuba Comrade, Your Authoritarian Ideals Would Fit in Better in a non-democratic secret soceity.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: smashp
Move TO Cuba, Your Authoritarian Ideals Would Fit in Better in a non-democratic open soceity.

You didn't respond to my reply. If two parents have marrital problems, should they let it all out and bring the children into it? Should they work it out in privately instead? What's best for the children? The public is like children, and the government is a father figure.

 

[gistech1978]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: earthman
Hmm, yeah, we wouldn't want anything as nasty as the TRUTH to come out, now, would we?

The truth can be handled privately in some situations. Wartime is a great example. Another would be an affair between parents, you don't need to bring that out in front of your children, RIGHT? That kind of info would only harm the children and scar them. In the same light, a wartime can be devastated and scarred with damaging info. Recognize!

well since your tax dollars are funding this war (that is if youre old enough to actually pay taxes) shouldnt you demand accountability? isnt that the 'conservative' way of handling money?
shouldnt the truth about what your tax dollars are being spent (even if its paying some sadistic people to torture other humans) on be of interest to you?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: earthman
Hmm, yeah, we wouldn't want anything as nasty as the TRUTH to come out, now, would we?

The truth can be handled privately in some situations. Wartime is a great example. Another would be an affair between parents, you don't need to bring that out in front of your children, RIGHT? That kind of info would only harm the children and scar them. In the same light, a wartime can be devastated and scarred with damaging info. Recognize!

it wasnt handled at all, if it would have been then these pictures wouldnt even exist

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: smashp
Move TO Cuba, Your Authoritarian Ideals Would Fit in Better in a non-democratic open soceity.

You didn't respond to my reply. If two parents have marrital problems, should they let it all out and bring the children into it? Should they work it out in privately instead? What's best for the children? The public is like children, and the government is a father figure.

It should Come out if that Family has a Democratic Structure.


See your analogy only works When relating to things that are democratic in nature. In most instances Kids dont usually have and equal share in power of the family and the decisions made.


Try again Stalin

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: earthman
Hmm, yeah, we wouldn't want anything as nasty as the TRUTH to come out, now, would we?

The truth can be handled privately in some situations. Wartime is a great example. Another would be an affair between parents, you don't need to bring that out in front of your children, RIGHT? That kind of info would only harm the children and scar them. In the same light, a wartime can be devastated and scarred with damaging info. Recognize!

well since your tax dollars are funding this war (that is if youre old enough to actually pay taxes) shouldnt you demand accountability? isnt that the 'conservative' way of handling money?
shouldnt the truth about what your tax dollars are being spent (even if its paying some sadistic people to torture other humans) on be of interest to you?

The public has a right to all information, but just not at the moment. Maybe in like 10 years, it can be unclassified, but this is a critical and shaky moment. Look at how the media can DESTROY a war, like Vietnam. The media and military JUST DONT MIX. What if we had media during the American Revolution. All the minutemen getting blown up and stuff, we would be a colony still because of the liberals. Information is power, and during war it has to be controlled. Once a war is done, then let it out.

 

[gistech1978]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: smashp
Move TO Cuba, Your Authoritarian Ideals Would Fit in Better in a non-democratic open soceity.

You didn't respond to my reply. If two parents have marrital problems, should they let it all out and bring the children into it? Should they work it out in privately instead? What's best for the children? The public is like children, and the government is a father figure.

and by that logic, should a whistleblower within a corporation get fired and arrested?
even though, the corporation knowingly produced unsafe products?

since the corporation is the 'father figure' and the employees are its children.

 

[DanceMan]

It occured to me that this is the best lesson to the Iraqi people about democracy and how the rule of law can work. When Saddam ruled, such torture and worse was even done, and the people did not even know what happened or had any recourse. Now, even though these incidents have come to light, they are being ivestigated and talked about. More importantly, there will be action taken, and it will be under the bright lights of public scrutiny, and people all over the world will get to view the results. I think that Bush in his apology should have said something along the lines of: "Yes, this is terrible, and unforgivable, but we are different. We are different in that we are going investigate and make public all of the atrocities, and we will prosecute. That makes us very different from Saddam, and it's what having a democracy and freedom is all about."

It really galls me that people would not want to publicize this, and go so far to call people who are whistleblowers unpatriotic, or worse, traitors! To me, these people are the most patriotic persons that I know, standing up to enormous pressure to still do the right thing. Until we are under martial law, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and our various laws are still very much in effect, and everyone involved should be bound to uphold its values, especially since we are holding ourselves up as the beacon of freedom in the world, and striving to bring that freedom to others. To not do so makes us no different from the tyranny that preceded us.

DanceMan

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: smashp
Move TO Cuba, Your Authoritarian Ideals Would Fit in Better in a non-democratic open soceity.

You didn't respond to my reply. If two parents have marrital problems, should they let it all out and bring the children into it? Should they work it out in privately instead? What's best for the children? The public is like children, and the government is a father figure.

I will answer it, yes maybe the may want to do things behind closed doors in this cas, or in time of abuse. BUT we are not KIDS? In this case we are adults that can make adult desicions with adult understanding and should be aware of all the facts. And in some cases it may be better to let the kid know exactly whats going on so they would have a little understanding in whats going on in their family, this is called family counseling. Your example is weak and your whole understanding is backwards and unhuman.....i wont even say "un-american." You need to take a look back in history and see what happens when poeple dont speakup and blow wistles when a Govt. or Army kills and tortures,. Then numbers grow and It leads to genocide. .. where are you from?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: earthman
Hmm, yeah, we wouldn't want anything as nasty as the TRUTH to come out, now, would we?

The truth can be handled privately in some situations. Wartime is a great example. Another would be an affair between parents, you don't need to bring that out in front of your children, RIGHT? That kind of info would only harm the children and scar them. In the same light, a wartime can be devastated and scarred with damaging info. Recognize!

well since your tax dollars are funding this war (that is if youre old enough to actually pay taxes) shouldnt you demand accountability? isnt that the 'conservative' way of handling money?
shouldnt the truth about what your tax dollars are being spent (even if its paying some sadistic people to torture other humans) on be of interest to you?

The public has a right to all information, but just not at the moment. Maybe in like 10 years, it can be unclassified, but this is a critical and shaky moment. Look at how the media can DESTROY a war, like Vietnam. The media and military JUST DONT MIX. What if we had media during the American Revolution. All the minutemen getting blown up and stuff, we would be a colony still because of the liberals. Information is power, and during war it has to be controlled. Once a war is done, then let it out.

Man you'd have a great conversation with Saddam, im sure you have a lot of common ideas.

However, what you are saying is WRONG because it goes against what this country was founded on. "We, the people of united states ", are ultimately the power of united states. We are the voice of this country and this country follows our opinions, morals and ideas. If you are to censure the media of ANY topic, you are in fact circumventing the input to the people and hence circumventing the democratic process.

 

[DanceMan]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: smashp
Move TO Cuba, Your Authoritarian Ideals Would Fit in Better in a non-democratic open soceity.

You didn't respond to my reply. If two parents have marrital problems, should they let it all out and bring the children into it? Should they work it out in privately instead? What's best for the children? The public is like children, and the government is a father figure.

Big Brother (Father!), huh?

Well, no I disagree. The government exists to serve the people. That what makes it work. Unlike children, we have a say in how we govern ourselves, what we choose to do, and who we choose to do it. It was this very principle that America was founded upon, to overthow the colonial and patrician rule.

 

[tnitsuj]

Victory at any price!!!!!!!!!

 

[DanceMan]

Originally posted by: Passions
Look at how the media can DESTROY a war, like Vietnam. The media and military JUST DONT MIX.

Uh, it seemed to be mixing fine during the war, when the Pentagon decided to 'imbed' them with the other troops. It also seems to be working fine when Bush decided to fly in on the carrier and declare "Mission Accomplished". No one from the military minded then. So why do they mind now?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: DanceMan
It occured to me that this is the best lesson to the Iraqi people about democracy and how the rule of law can work. When Saddam ruled, such torture and worse was even done, and the people did not even know what happened or had any recourse. Now, even though these incidents have come to light, they are being ivestigated and talked about. More importantly, there will be action taken, and it will be under the bright lights of public scrutiny, and people all over the world will get to view the results. I think that Bush in his apology should have said something along the lines of: "Yes, this is terrible, and unforgivable, but we are different. We are different in that we are going investigate and make public all of the atrocities, and we will prosecute. That makes us very different from Saddam, and it's what having a democracy and freedom is all about."

It really galls me that people would not want to publicize this, and go so far to call people who are whistleblowers unpatriotic, or worse, traitors! To me, these people are the most patriotic persons that I know, standing up to enormous pressure to still do the right thing. Until we are under martial law, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and our various laws are still very much in effect, and everyone involved should be bound to uphold its values, especially since we are holding ourselves up as the beacon of freedom in the world, and striving to bring that freedom to others. To not do so makes us no different from the tyranny that preceded us.

DanceMan

that is an excellent point

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: Passions
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&e=9&u=/afp/iraq_britain_prisoners

These kind of cases of abuse, etc, should be taken care of discretely and in private WITHIN the military system. Why bring it out to the public and undermine a war effort? Bunch of troublemaking, attention grabbing, FOOLS! There is no reason for public humiliation of the government. These whistleblowers are enemies of the government and should be inprisioned immediately!!! No sarcasm here, just plain truth.

You sound just like a Nazi with this tripe. You seriously need help.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: Passions
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&e=9&u=/afp/iraq_britain_prisoners

These kind of cases of abuse, etc, should be taken care of discretely and in private WITHIN the military system. Why bring it out to the public and undermine a war effort? Bunch of troublemaking, attention grabbing, FOOLS! There is no reason for public humiliation of the government. These whistleblowers are enemies of the government and should be inprisioned immediately!!! No sarcasm here, just plain truth.

You sound just like a Nazi with this tripe. You seriously need help.

there

 

[Moonbeam]

We have a military and the military is a war machine. Why do we have a war machine. Presumably it is because there are forces in the world that would destroy us if we couldn't destroy them. If this is true and we are justified in self defense then war is our last defense. If our survival depends on military might that anything that harms that is the friend of the enemy. The release of photos that emboldens the enemy to fight is a traitorous act and should be dealt with accordingly. There is a chain of command through which injustice in war can be addressed internally. There is no way, it strikes me, around these facts given you accept the premise that war is a means of survival and survival is the highest goal.

War is the means by which you take out those who can be stopped in no other way from their goal to take out you. Ask yourself who will be punished for the atrocities in such photos if the enemy wins. The price will be the loss of your nation and everything that goes with it. Are you willing to pay that price for your air-headed idealism?

If you are willing to serve committed in a military that demands a total focus on the destruction of others, you cannot serve your country and your enemy.

War is insanity and that is why you don't let a worthless piece of sh!t like George Bush lead you into a fools dream of world conquest through the telling of lies. Vote that disaster out of office in November.

 

[leeboy]

Cartman

 

[beyoku]

you have been owned. just leave

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: beyoku
you have been owned. just leave

you have been brainwashed...just leave