Wars fought in the name of secularism or atheism?

[BigToque]

Are there any wars that have been fought in the name of secularism or atheism?

 

[TheoPetro]

only the one about to happen from this thread

 

[NiteWulf]

Only political as far as I know. Doesn't mean anything

 

[Malak]

There have been several countries that do not tolerate any religion but the state religion, if any at all, and they kill any citizen that doesn't follow this law.

It's kind of hard to start a war on atheism when the majority of society is not atheist.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: BigToque
Are there any wars that have been fought in the name of secularism or atheism?

I got the lawnchairs & hotdogs....
Quick someone get me a beer.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Well, there's been political persecution for that.

And if the current administration and other evanangelical fundies don't mind their own business you could very well see the first major one sometime in the near future.

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: BigToque
Are there any wars that have been fought in the name of secularism or atheism?

I got the lawnchairs & hotdogs....
Quick someone get me a beer.

i got some killians for me and a natty lite for you.

 

[l Xes l]

alright.. brought my flame suit too... lets get it on!!!

 

[MrDudeMan]

i dont know the answer to the question, but i would guess probably not. however, you have to understand what you are asking. atheism is a religion, but those who practice it claim it is not. everyone has a worldview laced with their own presuppositions about life and its origins...no getting around that. not believing in a divine being is just as much faith as believing in a divine being because neither side has any clue who is right. it is actually almost amusing.

the reason a war wouldnt be fought over atheism is because each side would have the same faith, so what would the fight be over? "we believe in a different non-existant entity than you do!" no, that doesnt make any sense. wars are fought over religion because people get crazy and obsessed with what they believe while missing the bigger picture. atheism doesnt fit the bill because there is nothing to actively invest your belief in, so there would be no conflict of interest on a large scale.

 

[SaltBoy]

Wasn't World War II kind of started that way?

 

[IronWing]

Certain phases of the French Revolution saw lots of folks killed primarily in the name of atheism. Not a war but still lots of dead people.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Wasn't World War II kind of started that way?

No.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: BigToque
Are there any wars that have been fought in the name of secularism or atheism?

I got the lawnchairs & hotdogs....
Quick someone get me a beer.

:beer::beer:

 

[Demon-Xanth]

The crusades are one notable set.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i dont know the answer to the question, but i would guess probably not. however, you have to understand what you are asking. atheism is a religion, but those who practice it claim it is not. everyone has a worldview laced with their own presuppositions about life and its origins...no getting around that. not believing in a divine being is just as much faith as believing in a divine being because neither side has any clue who is right. it is actually almost amusing.

the reason a war wouldnt be fought over atheism is because each side would have the same faith, so what would the fight be over? "we believe in a different non-existant entity than you do!" no, that doesnt make any sense. wars are fought over religion because people get crazy and obsessed with what they believe while missing the bigger picture. atheism doesnt fit the bill because there is nothing to actively invest your belief in, so there would be no conflict of interest on a large scale.

Ofcourse it's not a religion. A atheist is a person who does not believe in divine beings of any kind. How does that constitute a religion?
It's more like, commen sense.

And no, no wars have started because of atheism.
The soviet union was officially atheist and it did actively try to destroy religion, but it was not the reason for invading countries. T'was old fashioned imperialism.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i dont know the answer to the question, but i would guess probably not. however, you have to understand what you are asking. atheism is a religion, but those who practice it claim it is not. everyone has a worldview laced with their own presuppositions about life and its origins...no getting around that. not believing in a divine being is just as much faith as believing in a divine being because neither side has any clue who is right. it is actually almost amusing.

the reason a war wouldnt be fought over atheism is because each side would have the same faith, so what would the fight be over? "we believe in a different non-existant entity than you do!" no, that doesnt make any sense. wars are fought over religion because people get crazy and obsessed with what they believe while missing the bigger picture. atheism doesnt fit the bill because there is nothing to actively invest your belief in, so there would be no conflict of interest on a large scale.

Ofcourse it's not a religion. A atheist is a person who does not believe in divine beings of any kind. How does that constitute a religion?
It's more like, commen sense.

And no, no wars have started because of atheism.
The soviet union was officially atheist and it did actively try to destroy religion, but it was not the reason for invading countries. T'was old fashioned imperialism.

my points, as well. atheism is a non prophet organization.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i dont know the answer to the question, but i would guess probably not. however, you have to understand what you are asking. atheism is a religion, but those who practice it claim it is not. everyone has a worldview laced with their own presuppositions about life and its origins...no getting around that. not believing in a divine being is just as much faith as believing in a divine being because neither side has any clue who is right. it is actually almost amusing.

Atheism ISN'T a religion. I think you aren't understanding your own words. Atheism is by definition, a LACK of belief in a god or gods moreso than an active belief that there is no god. All an atheist is, is one who when given a hand of religious cards to pick from... simply declined to pick one at all. Atheism itself could never be a card in that hand because religion, also by definition, involves belief in a supernatural power with some capacity to control fate/destiny/etc. Atheism merely takes that whole concept and decides it's hogwash. In order to be a religion, a belief in a supernatural power would have to be present, and beleiving that there isn't one at all is about as far away from that requirement as you can get. THere are lots of things we take on faith, but it doesn't make them religious. I can't see my truck in the parking lot right now but I have faith that it's still there... is this religious? No. Having faith that there is no god is the same thing. Neither of these are having faith that some unseen power exists.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i dont know the answer to the question, but i would guess probably not. however, you have to understand what you are asking. atheism is a religion, but those who practice it claim it is not. everyone has a worldview laced with their own presuppositions about life and its origins...no getting around that. not believing in a divine being is just as much faith as believing in a divine being because neither side has any clue who is right. it is actually almost amusing.

Atheism ISN'T a religion. I think you aren't understanding your own words. Atheism is by definition, a LACK of belief in a god or gods moreso than an active belief that there is no god. All an atheist is, is one who when given a hand of religious cards to pick from... simply declined to pick one at all. Atheism itself could never be a card in that hand because religion, also by definition, involves belief in a supernatural power with some capacity to control fate/destiny/etc. Atheism merely takes that whole concept and decides it's hogwash. In order to be a religion, a belief in a supernatural power would have to be present, and beleiving that there isn't one at all is about as far away from that requirement as you can get.

Also, the argument of "well atheism could be a supernatural belief in no god" is itself a Logical fallacy: appeal to ignorance.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i dont know the answer to the question, but i would guess probably not. however, you have to understand what you are asking. atheism is a religion, but those who practice it claim it is not. everyone has a worldview laced with their own presuppositions about life and its origins...no getting around that. not believing in a divine being is just as much faith as believing in a divine being because neither side has any clue who is right. it is actually almost amusing.

Atheism ISN'T a religion. I think you aren't understanding your own words. Atheism is by definition, a LACK of belief in a god or gods moreso than an active belief that there is no god. All an atheist is, is one who when given a hand of religious cards to pick from... simply declined to pick one at all. Atheism itself could never be a card in that hand because religion, also by definition, involves belief in a supernatural power with some capacity to control fate/destiny/etc. Atheism merely takes that whole concept and decides it's hogwash. In order to be a religion, a belief in a supernatural power would have to be present, and beleiving that there isn't one at all is about as far away from that requirement as you can get. THere are lots of things we take on faith, but it doesn't make them religious. I can't see my truck in the parking lot right now but I have faith that it's still there... is this religious? No. Having faith that there is no god is the same thing. Neither of these are having faith that some unseen power exists.

comparing this to a truck in a parking lot proves you missed the point. fellas, i study theology on a regular basis and debate people of both sides. this isnt nearly as trivial as you make it seem. your presupposition that there is or isnt a divine being IS a religion as it pervades your every move and every thought. go ahead and think it isnt a religion, but it is. you believe there is no God. you claim it is common sense, but so does every other religious person based on their own belief. it never fails that every atheistic person believes their way is common sense, but they also fail to see the irony. this is an inescapable aspect of human nature - our capability to think and perceive a divine being leads to the inability to discover the true nature of prime reality. take it for what its worth, but im not just a shmuck here to push your buttons. i respect you right to not believe in God (i truly do), but claiming it is common sense is laughable. dont try to form an arguement based on everyday objects that prove the meaning of the existential relevance of the question "is there a God?". it just doesnt compute.

Having faith that there is no god is the same thing.

really? its actually not. you have faith that there is no God. you have NO proof, just as a believer has no proof. you are defining religion as a nutcase bible thumper it seems. your belief system constitutes your personal religion. im not comparing you to a sheep that doesnt think about what they believe in. you clearly have thought it through, but that doesnt make it less than a religion. your common sense and ability to reason tell you what to think, but what influenced that and made it the way it is? your background and life experiences, or your set of presuppositions as i stated before. everything you have done or that has happened to yo uhas shaped your current state of mind. it gives you your own worldview that is truly unique to you. in that worldview, you see things differently than i can perceive, so dont miscontrue your truth as being absolute, because it is definitely not. claiming you know absolute truth is to be a naive realist and that defies logic in and of itself. again, i respect your opinion, but dont say i dont know what im talking about.

 

[Feldenak]

"War is nothing but a continuation of politics through other means"

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: TheoPetro
only the one about to happen from this thread

:laugh:

 

[misle]

Like stated above, you really can't have a war in the name of atheism, but Communists were atheists and they arguably killed more people than any war fought in the name of a religion.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i dont know the answer to the question, but i would guess probably not. however, you have to understand what you are asking. atheism is a religion, but those who practice it claim it is not. everyone has a worldview laced with their own presuppositions about life and its origins...no getting around that. not believing in a divine being is just as much faith as believing in a divine being because neither side has any clue who is right. it is actually almost amusing.

Atheism ISN'T a religion. I think you aren't understanding your own words. Atheism is by definition, a LACK of belief in a god or gods moreso than an active belief that there is no god. All an atheist is, is one who when given a hand of religious cards to pick from... simply declined to pick one at all. Atheism itself could never be a card in that hand because religion, also by definition, involves belief in a supernatural power with some capacity to control fate/destiny/etc. Atheism merely takes that whole concept and decides it's hogwash. In order to be a religion, a belief in a supernatural power would have to be present, and beleiving that there isn't one at all is about as far away from that requirement as you can get. THere are lots of things we take on faith, but it doesn't make them religious. I can't see my truck in the parking lot right now but I have faith that it's still there... is this religious? No. Having faith that there is no god is the same thing. Neither of these are having faith that some unseen power exists.

I believe you have confused athiest with agnostic.
Athiest - active affirmative belief that no god or supernatural deity exists.
Agnostic - one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god, but if one does exist it is unknowable.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Malak
There have been several countries that do not tolerate any religion but the state religion, if any at all, and they kill any citizen that doesn't follow this law.

It's kind of hard to start a war on atheism when the majority of society is not atheist.

Stalin, Mussolini, Mao Tse Dong, Castro... (Any communist block from the mid 20th century basically) -- all of whom killed hundreds and thousands of people, in stalin's case tens of millions. Nero from the Roman Empire.

IRA (Irish Republican Army) is not a religious group either.

There are plenty of them. The OP is a troll.

Anybody want pie.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Malak
There have been several countries that do not tolerate any religion but the state religion, if any at all, and they kill any citizen that doesn't follow this law.

It's kind of hard to start a war on atheism when the majority of society is not atheist.

Stalin, Mussolini, Mao Tse Dong, Castro... (Any communist block from the mid 20th century basically) -- all of whom killed hundreds and thousands of people, in stalin's case tens of millions. Nero from the Roman Empire.

IRA (Irish Republican Army) is not a religious group either.

There are plenty of them. The OP is a troll.

Anybody want pie.

have a hot dog...