Warrantless wiretapping here to stay

[UberNeuman]

The quiet discontent coming from Democrats since Obama's inauguration is a whisper compared to their daily outpouring of violent outrage at nearly everything Bush did.

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!!!! THE CONSTITUTION IS TOILET PAPER!!!! BUSHITLER IS EVIL!!!!!!!!!

The best Democrats can muster now is "Yes, I'm somewhat disappointed by Obama's position." Such a pathetic bunch of transparent hacks, groveling at the feet of big government, provided it's the right team shredding the Constitution.

I am disappointed, son....

really, I am... I thought you were more of a free thinking person, yet you bellyache over the criticisms lobbed at the former President...

Now, tell me those critical reproaches were unwarranted....

\the stage is open... now play your part....

 

[cybrsage]

The quiet discontent coming from Democrats since Obama's inauguration is a whisper compared to their daily outpouring of violent outrage at nearly everything Bush did.

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!!!! THE CONSTITUTION IS TOILET PAPER!!!! BUSHITLER IS EVIL!!!!!!!!!

The best Democrats can muster now is "Yes, I'm somewhat disappointed by Obama's position." Such a pathetic bunch of transparent hacks, groveling at the feet of big government, provided it's the right team shredding the Constitution.

It is the way they work. If Bush would have put together a committee on interfaith relations and staffed it with Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, Vishnu, Crowley, and Nietzsche and the dems would have decried it as horrifying and that Bush should be dragged out into the street and shot for even thinking of such a thing.

Obama could then do the same thing and he would be hailed as a visionary.

It is built into their DNA, which science has shown is broken.

 

[chucky2]

The quiet discontent coming from Democrats since Obama's inauguration is a whisper compared to their daily outpouring of violent outrage at nearly everything Bush did.

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!!!! THE CONSTITUTION IS TOILET PAPER!!!! BUSHITLER IS EVIL!!!!!!!!!

The best Democrats can muster now is "Yes, I'm somewhat disappointed by Obama's position." Such a pathetic bunch of transparent hacks, groveling at the feet of big government, provided it's the right team shredding the Constitution.

Quoted for infinite truth.

 

[NoStateofMind]

It's easier to be passionate about something when it starts. Once it's there and entrenched, it's pretty hard to do anything about it and you're just out of breath yelling. Part of the problem here is that the warrantless wiretapping under Bush was unconstitutional, and now they've updated FISA to say "nope, now it's Constitutional." It's also still less invasive than what Bush was doing, doesn't make us happy about it. Eventually you just fight the battles you can actually win.

Oh was that your dog I killed yesterday for fun? Animal cruelty you say? Meh, I've just made it retroactively legal to maim animals at my pleasure. Well its not as bad as before! it's 'legal' now.....

Right?

 

[UberNeuman]

Quoted for infinite truth.

Truth? Let me know when you "rightwingers" take ownership of the bullshit leading into the Iraq War.....

\this was the time when those liberals and their liberal media that you folks so decry failed the country....
\\but, hey! Now you sit back and whine about what you helped to foster, to nurture, to bring to life...

 

[chucky2]

Truth? Let me know when you "rightwingers" take ownership of the bullshit leading into the Iraq War.....

\this was the time when those liberals and their liberal media that you folks so decry failed the country....
\\but, hey! Now you sit back and whine about what you helped to foster, to nurture, to bring to life...

Rightwingers could refuse to "take credit" for eternity and it still doesn't make what he said less true. That you had to go into immediate deflection and spin mode in responding just underscores the point of his post. Better to have posted nothing in response at all, but you doubled down...interesting...

 

[werepossum]

Meh. I always assume the government is listening electronically. If they're now being a bit more bold about it, it's only because people have decided they want a more powerful government. Power given will be power exercised.

 

[marincounty]

From your article: And then predictably, in virtually identical 37-54 votes, Feinstein and her conservative-Democratic comrades joined with virtually the entire GOP caucus (except for three Senators: Paul, Mike Lee and Dean Heller) to reject each one of the proposed amendments would lose as evidenced by the lack of an attempted filibuster).
Once again, conservatives blaming Democrats for not stopping Republican bs.
And Feinstein is not a liberal Democrat, she is a DINO. She has moved rightward her entire career in the Senate. She voted for the Iraq war, tax cuts for the rich, etc..
Most Democrats have no use for her.

 

[werepossum]

From your article: And then predictably, in virtually identical 37-54 votes, Feinstein and her conservative-Democratic comrades joined with virtually the entire GOP caucus (except for three Senators: Paul, Mike Lee and Dean Heller) to reject each one of the proposed amendments would lose as evidenced by the lack of an attempted filibuster).
Once again, conservatives blaming Democrats for not stopping Republican bs.
And Feinstein is not a liberal Democrat, she is a DINO. She has moved rightward her entire career in the Senate. She voted for the Iraq war, tax cuts for the rich, etc..
Most Democrats have no use for her.

Bullshit. She voted for the federal takeover of health care and she's pushing a bill to disarm law-abiding citizens. I'd say most Democrats have at least two uses for her.

Beyond that, she ALWAYS has a 100% rating from NARAL and other pro-abortion groups, an 'F' rating from the NRA, at least a 75% rating from EVERY animal rights groups since 1995, 100% from NAACP for 2009 & 2010, 100% on ACORN's last rating (2006), an 'A' from the NEA, 80% to 100% from liberal energy advocacy groups . . .
http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/53273/dianne-feinstein#.UOFP6G_AeC4

She isn't THE liberal Democrat, but she is certainly A liberal Democrat. The American Conservative Union rates her conservatism a whopping 5 out of 100. The progressive "That's My Congress" rated thirty Democrat Senators as less conservative and only thirteen (and one Socialist) as more liberal. (Seven others earned the same score of 64.)
http://conservative.org/ratingsarchive/uscongress/2011/senate.html
http://thatsmycongress.com/senate/

 

[RampantAndroid]

More than a decade since 911 and the government is doing a fantastic job of keeping this fear fire alive, you gotta congratulate them on that. Only a society sick from the top down pays so much attention to a comparatively tiny threat to the nation.

This isn't too hard. Maybe the memory of people as a collective is awful (it is, actually) but who remembers the christmas bomber in 2010? The guy who lit his genitals on fire when his bomb failed?

There ARE terrorists out there. But hell if having a TSA agent grab my junk is going to help very much.

My solution for shit like the genitals bomber (snicker) would have been to grab him once it became clear he was trying to detonate a bomb, pop the airplane emergency exit open and heave him out of the plane. The people on that flight sure as hell weren't thinking too well, I don't think. They're lucky his bomb did fail...

 

[BoberFett]

I am disappointed, son....

really, I am... I thought you were more of a free thinking person, yet you bellyache over the criticisms lobbed at the former President...

Now, tell me those critical reproaches were unwarranted....

\the stage is open... now play your part....

Bush was a horrible president. An authoritarian through and through whose economic and foreign policy bent the US over and didn't use lube.

Democrats are no different and are doubling down on decades of failed policy.

 

[fskimospy]

The quiet discontent coming from Democrats since Obama's inauguration is a whisper compared to their daily outpouring of violent outrage at nearly everything Bush did.

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!!!! THE CONSTITUTION IS TOILET PAPER!!!! BUSHITLER IS EVIL!!!!!!!!!

The best Democrats can muster now is "Yes, I'm somewhat disappointed by Obama's position." Such a pathetic bunch of transparent hacks, groveling at the feet of big government, provided it's the right team shredding the Constitution.

We've had a great number of discussions where you and a few other people just come out and demand a periodic self flagellation by leftist posters in order to establish some bizarre idea of balance for them in your head. I've probably said how I hate Obama's record on civil liberties dozens of times now. Can you just give us a time frame for how often we're supposed to make threads saying how we don't like warrantless wiretapping in order to make you happy? Just a ballpark figure will be fine.

EDIT: Also, speaking of balance I cannot remember a time when our good friend Boberfett has made similar demands of conservative minded people. As a supremely balanced person I'm sure he must have but they escape me for the moment.

Also, I have no idea why Bush lying us into a war has anything to do with warrantless wiretapping. Enjoy satisfying your perpetual rage boner though!

 

[BoberFett]

We've had a great number of discussions where you and a few other people just come out and demand a periodic self flagellation by leftist posters in order to establish some bizarre idea of balance for them in your head. I've probably said how I hate Obama's record on civil liberties dozens of times now. Can you just give us a time frame for how often we're supposed to make threads saying how we don't like warrantless wiretapping in order to make you happy? Just a ballpark figure will be fine.

EDIT: Also, speaking of balance I cannot remember a time when our good friend Boberfett has made similar demands of conservative minded people. As a supremely balanced person I'm sure he must have but they escape me for the moment.

Also, I have no idea why Bush lying us into a war has anything to do with warrantless wiretapping. Enjoy satisfying your perpetual rage boner though!

The GOP has marginalized themselves via insanity, all the while the Democrats pretending that their shit doesn't stink. I'm tired of hearing it. Democrats are almost as bad as Republicans and leading this country down the path to hell. You morons can keep thinking that you're more intelligent than the right wing nutjobs if you want, but you're not.

 

[fskimospy]

The GOP has marginalized themselves via insanity, all the while the Democrats pretending that their shit doesn't stink. I'm tired of hearing it. Democrats are almost as bad as Republicans and leading this country down the path to hell. You morons can keep thinking that you're more intelligent than the right wing nutjobs if you want, but you're not.

Yeah... that didn't answer my questions at all.

 

[BoberFett]

Yeah... that didn't answer my questions at all.

What questions? I only see one question mark in your previous post, and it appears to be a rhetorical question.

The fact is, you rarely see Democrats around here criticize their own party at all other than a weak "I am disappointed." Dozens of threads are started daily complaining about the evil Republicans and how awful they are, all the while your own party is continuing Republican policy with nary a peep from the party faithful such as yourself. You're useful idiots at best.

 

[yllus]

You have to wonder what this gigantic national security apparatus is really worth. I mean all of it - the submarines, the aircraft carriers, the thousands of fighter jets, the million-plus standing army, the CIA, the NSA... Is America truly under siege to the point that all of this is really necessary? The cost/benefit seems dubious.

 

[Darwin333]

This isn't too hard. Maybe the memory of people as a collective is awful (it is, actually) but who remembers the christmas bomber in 2010? The guy who lit his genitals on fire when his bomb failed?

There ARE terrorists out there. But hell if having a TSA agent grab my junk is going to help very much.

Research that guy a bit more. He was actually led around security by a US agent despite not having a passport. Then he was partially used as a reason that we need to have our junk grabbed when all the security in the world wouldn't have helped since US agents fucking led him around all of the security.

My solution for shit like the genitals bomber (snicker) would have been to grab him once it became clear he was trying to detonate a bomb, pop the airplane emergency exit open and heave him out of the plane. The people on that flight sure as hell weren't thinking too well, I don't think. They're lucky his bomb did fail...

As long as your the idiot that opens the door while the plane is at altitude and at speed.....

 

[fskimospy]

What questions? I only see one question mark in your previous post, and it appears to be a rhetorical question.

The fact is, you rarely see Democrats around here criticize their own party at all other than a weak "I am disappointed." Dozens of threads are started daily complaining about the evil Republicans and how awful they are, all the while your own party is continuing Republican policy with nary a peep from the party faithful such as yourself. You're useful idiots at best.

There was one explicit question and one implied one, you whiffed on both.

Considering I have condemned this very issue probably dozens of times by now and that was clearly not enough to meet your high personal standard I was simply inquiring as to how often I should start a thread repeating that I still don't like Obama's civil liberties policies. Is this a once a week thing? Once a month? How long should the post be?

Furthermore, so long as we are talking about post quotas I would like to set something up with you where you make threads similar to this for conservatives as well as a timetable for how often they must prostrate themselves before you to be worthy of Boberfett's coveted balance. I can make a spreadsheet if that's easier.

If only your continual rage flameouts counted as useful idiocy. I would love for you to be useful in any way whatsoever, really.

 

[jackstar7]

Further proof that the Democrats are barely indistinguishable from Republicans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/28/fisa-feinstein-obama-democrats-eavesdropping

Come on Democrat faithfuls, defend your party. Blame the Republicans. Bu bu bu Bush! Here are your most high priests, acting exactly like your hated Republican enemies:

FEAR!!!! TERRORISTS!!!

Pathetic. And you wankers keep lapping up their bullshit, pretending that you're on the righteous side.

I'd say this settles it: You should stop voting Democrat.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You have to wonder what this gigantic national security apparatus is really worth. I mean all of it - the submarines, the aircraft carriers, the thousands of fighter jets, the million-plus standing army, the CIA, the NSA... Is America truly under siege to the point that all of this is really necessary? The cost/benefit seems dubious.

We don't even know what it costs. The military budget yes, but we may be spending hundreds of billions more and not know it.