Warning to all Electricians, do not carry wire on you and do not wear a jacket. 7-24-05

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
What part of that do you find hard to understand?

And yeah the formatting is screwed. Big deal

The part that illustrates the fact that none of us was there and had our lives in danger? It's not like the shooter took the three head shots, paused for a drink, took a call on his cell and then took the next two shots. We're talking about a span of, what, 3 seconds?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
So the guy was down and THEN they shot him?

Bingo! He ran from a bunch of yelling blokes with handguns. He jumped a turnstyle b/c . . . well paying the toll/using a card would slow him down. If the rationale was to stop him from killing people . . . why allow him to even get close to a subway?! How about firing high speed projectiles indiscriminantly at the body of someone "allegedly" carrying a bomb?! The head shots make sense but the two shots to the toro . . . that's just plain dumb!

Thank you Monday morning quarterback. I'm sure that in a situation where a guy in a bulky coat emerges from a house under surveillance a week after a bunch of bomb attacks, you'd immediately realize he was headed for a subway. Then you'd nearly corner him off a safe distance away and suggest he lie down, stay still, and pretty-please don't detonate any explosives on his person.

Of course, people not knowing the future might not have known this guy was in there to begin with, or that he'd emerge the instant he did, or that he'd head for the subway, or that he'd run when ordered to stop. And when the suspect jumps the turnstile into the station, you'd just hope really hard that he was only panicking and risk blowing up 50-100 people instead of making sure he was really, really dead.

Bulky coat?

What bulky coat?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/p.../05/uk_london_bomb_suspects/html/1.stm

 

[yllus]

London Police Chief Defends Shoot to Kill in Order to Protect Policy

Witnesses said he was wearing a heavy padded coat when plainclothes police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him five times in the head and torso in front of horrified passengers.

Third arrest over July 21 bombs

Menezes emerged from a house in Tulse Hill Friday morning, which had been under surveillance as part of the investigation into the attempted bombings. He reportedly was wearing a heavy coat.

Officers followed him to the Underground station. His "clothing and suspicious behavior at the station added to their suspicions," a police statement said.

 

[conjur]

Those witnesses were wrong then, weren't they? Eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate in situations like that.

Or, are you trying to say those pictures are photoshopped or faked?


:roll:

 

[arsbanned]

Wait. The guy in the NYC sweatshirt is the one they killed by mistake?

 

[Michael]

conjur,

What makes you think any of the 4 pictures shown are

1) at least one of them the person who was shot?

2) what the person who was sot was wearing that day?

Michael

 

[yllus]

I don't know on what evidence exactly you're purporting that this man is the one shot and killed by police, considering that the caption does not indicate that and it's rather difficult for an eyewitness to magically impose long sleeves and specified 'heavy padding' qualities onto someone's clothing.

So I suppose what I'm trying to say is that you're showing a predictable lack of common sense and an even more predictable jump to conclusions on scant evidence.

Edit: Wait, let me add this to balance out - :roll:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
What part of that do you find hard to understand?

And yeah the formatting is screwed. Big deal

The part that illustrates the fact that none of us was there and had our lives in danger? It's not like the shooter took the three head shots, paused for a drink, took a call on his cell and then took the next two shots. We're talking about a span of, what, 3 seconds?

He had him down and shot him. A suspected bomber? Suppose he HAD been one? With a bomb around that torso.

So you set it off. You say "Oops"?

At least if you shoot people not knowing if they pose a real threat, shoot them where the bomb wouldn't be.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
What part of that do you find hard to understand?

And yeah the formatting is screwed. Big deal

The part that illustrates the fact that none of us was there and had our lives in danger? It's not like the shooter took the three head shots, paused for a drink, took a call on his cell and then took the next two shots. We're talking about a span of, what, 3 seconds?

He had him down and shot him. A suspected bomber? Suppose he HAD been one? With a bomb around that torso.

So you set it off. You say "Oops"?

At least if you shoot people not knowing if they pose a real threat, shoot them where the bomb wouldn't be.

As I said, we're probably talking about all of three seconds. Can't say I know much about the anatomy of bombs in use by terrorists today, but I figured it'd be a plastic explosive that required some specific detonator? I am guessing, but I don't know bullets would necessarily set plastic explosives off.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't know on what evidence exactly you're purporting that this man is the one shot and killed by police, considering that the caption does not indicate that and it's rather difficult for an eyewitness to magically impose long sleeves and specified 'heavy padding' qualities onto someone's clothing.

So I suppose what I'm trying to say is that you're showing a predictable lack of common sense and an even more predictable jump to conclusions on scant evidence.

Edit: Wait, let me add this to balance out - :roll:

They've changed the text since the images were first posted. At one point earlier today, the text alluded that he was the person being chased.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Was this the goal of the Terrorists?

Police now have orders to shoot to kill and ask questions later.

Do they plan on asking those questions in the afterlife???

It is clear, the War on Terror was won,....................by the Terrorists.

Warning to all Electricians, do not carry wire on you and do not wear a jacket.

7-24-2005 London Police Chief Defends Shoot to Kill in Order to Protect Policy

LONDON - The head of London's police force expressed deep regret Sunday for the slaying of a Brazilian man by officers who mistook him for a suspect in the recent terror bombings, but defended the police use of deadly force.

He defended the officers' shooting to kill, saying such action only applied when lives were believed to be at risk.

"I am very aware that minority communities are talking about a shoot to kill policy; it's only a shoot to kill in order to protect policy," he said.

The man shot Friday at the Stockwell subway station was identified as Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, a Brazilian citizen. Witnesses said he was wearing a heavy padded coat when plainclothes police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him five times in the head and torso in front of horrified passengers.

Menezes was an electrician who had been working in Britain for three years, said his cousin Alex Pereira, who also lives in London.

"He was a 100 percent good guy who never did anything wrong and had no reason to run," Pereira said. "I don't think he ran from police. I don't think he would do that. They can't show anything that shows that he had."

This is no more than a repost. This thread should be locked, but knowing how things work around it here, it probably won't be.

Welcome to Whiner's Paradise.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: yllus
London Police Chief Defends Shoot to Kill in Order to Protect Policy

Witnesses said he was wearing a heavy padded coat when plainclothes police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him five times in the head and torso in front of horrified passengers.

Third arrest over July 21 bombs

Menezes emerged from a house in Tulse Hill Friday morning, which had been under surveillance as part of the investigation into the attempted bombings. He reportedly was wearing a heavy coat.

Officers followed him to the Underground station. His "clothing and suspicious behavior at the station added to their suspicions," a police statement said.

Menezes emerged from a house in Tulse Hill Friday morning, which had been under surveillance as part of the investigation into the attempted bombings.

No one here seems to have a problem with the part that they had this guys house under surveillance.

Have they said why they targeted this apparently innocent man to begin with???

 

[Duckzilla]

They like to kill people that aren't white? What are you getting at?

Where are the moderators?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
They like to kill people that aren't white? What are you getting at?

Where are the moderators?

WTF are you whining about? This is not a repost in the slightest.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
They like to kill people that aren't white? What are you getting at?

Where are the moderators?

WTF are you whining about? This is not a repost in the slightest.

Maybe he's an Electrician???

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
They like to kill people that aren't white? What are you getting at?

Where are the moderators?

WTF are you whining about? This is not a repost in the slightest.

It's a repost. Explain how it isn't.

 

[bsobel]

No one here seems to have a problem with the part that they had this guys house under surveillance. Have they said why they targeted this apparently innocent man to begin with???

"Menezes was followed by officers on Friday morning after leaving a block of flats that had been under surveillance in Tulse Hill, south London. The officers were under the control of Gold Command, Scotland Yard?s major incident centre. "

I was wondering the same thing, but it would appear that they had a 'neighborhood' under survelliance, perhaps not the specific home this poor gentleman was living in...

 

[Drift3r]

How come they haven't released the video of the chase ? Surely they got that on the many, many cameras for the public to view and make a judgement call.

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
How come they haven't released the video of the chase ? Surely they got that on the many, many cameras for the public to view and make a judgement call.

What good could come of it? They want this issue to die down, not live on. A tragic mistake was made - an understandable one, but tragic none-the-less. What good could come of releasing video of it?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: Drift3r
How come they haven't released the video of the chase ? Surely they got that on the many, many cameras for the public to view and make a judgement call.

What good could come of it? They want this issue to die down, not live on. A tragic mistake was made - an understandable one, but tragic none-the-less. What good could come of releasing video of it?

Maybe igniting enough public scrutiny of this INCREDIBLE error in judgement so that we're not dropping brown-skinned coated men from NYC to London.

 

[Vic]

:roll: to the obviously trollish thread title

 

[Duckzilla]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: Drift3r
How come they haven't released the video of the chase ? Surely they got that on the many, many cameras for the public to view and make a judgement call.

What good could come of it? They want this issue to die down, not live on. A tragic mistake was made - an understandable one, but tragic none-the-less. What good could come of releasing video of it?

Maybe igniting enough public scrutiny of this INCREDIBLE error in judgement so that we're not dropping brown-skinned coated men from NYC to London.

What reason would the POLICE/GOVERNMENT have? Just what they want, public scrutiny.

Tragic, but understandable.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Duckzilla

Originally posted by: Drift3r
How come they haven't released the video of the chase ? Surely they got that on the many, many cameras for the public to view and make a judgement call.

What good could come of it? They want this issue to die down, not live on. A tragic mistake was made - an understandable one, but tragic none-the-less. What good could come of releasing video of it?

Maybe igniting enough public scrutiny of this INCREDIBLE error in judgement so that we're not dropping brown-skinned coated men from NYC to London.

What reason would the POLICE/GOVERNMENT have? Just what they want, public scrutiny.

Tragic, but undertsandable.

Per McOwen's logic, the British government is currently waging a secret agenda of genocide against electricians everywhere. The power of the IBEW had grown too great.

 

[Zebo]

This pre-emptive shooting policy is pretty messed up any which way you cut it and can only lead to disasters like this one.

Most thinking terrorists arn't going anywhere near a subway at this time and moved on to the next ungaurded target of which thier are literally thousands since the police can't be everywhere.

 

[CanOWorms]

My main problem is that they had the guy restrained and they assassinated him with 5 shots to the head. The officer should be charged with murder.