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I think John stated this in a previous post here...We must keep in mind that if a Company sells millions of an item and there's a few gone by...it surely surpasses even one that is of higher quality, but sell a frac tion of them and has lesser returns (RMA. In this scenerio % is more important...

Example
2,000,000 sold 10,000 =5%

2,000 sold 160 bad=8%

On these figures who would get more acknowledgement of problems?... but in reality the smaller figures would look better with less complaints from users ...
 
Had an enermax bite it a few years ago. Bought an Antec True 430 and it's handled everything I've thrown at it. In fact, I'm picking up a TruePower II 480 for my new rig.
 
Originally posted by: ones3k
I once trusted Antec, but after my True430 PSU died on me and took out my motherboard, I did some research. Turns out Antec power supplies aren?t as good as I once thought. Many people are experiencing failures and the majority of these failures are linked to Antecs use of CHEAP capacitor brands and INADEQUATE cooling. No wonder my room used to feel like a kitchen!

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14116577
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee...77909585/m/545004476631/r/865002486631
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=363382
http://205.177.13.145/forums/viewtopic....0&sid=0b7366ce43b3af150cfe348ed42e1f48
http://www.ocforums.com/printthread.php?t=365624


more to come...

I agree that sucky PSU's are one reason why I've been through 3 new motherboards
 
Originally posted by: rise4310
Originally posted by: ones3k
Go get me links of PC power & cooling failures. Hard to find huh?

errr, all psu's can have a problem.

btw, what did you have, the original true power?

Nope not all PSU`s have problems!!
The problem with Antec is they do not hand pick there caps and there quality control as far as pre assembly of the PSU is lacking!!

Then we could define the word "problems".....
In which case anything somebody didn`t like about a certain PSU could be considered a problem even if no problems existed!!
 
Only PSUs I had die were generic crap years ago,since then I use Enermax and very recently went over to Hiper type R 580w PSU which is working great in my rig and very stable rails,however Tom's Hardware did a review and it was not recommended (which I now laugh at)even though I can find you 15 or so excellent reviews .

My point is judgement of PSUs is down to very personal experience and you will always find both good and bad reviewsl.

In the end all you can do is go for well known quality brands with decent warranty period ie 3 years or more.

Antec have their own reputation to think of and I don't think they would lower their quality to the point of high failure rates.
 
Originally posted by: ones3k
Originally posted by: mechBgon
edit: in another post you admit you think you have a power problem in your house because you've blown 5 crts and a power supply. do you really think any power supply is going to stand up to that?
Now fisher, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.





😉 😉 😉

(5 blown CRTs, yikes)


Notice how i didnt include the link to MY antec failure.

edit: i also push my CRTs using the highest available refresh rate. That may have something to do with it.


I just ran onto this topic and I hate to bring up old sore topics, but this one takes the cake.

Upon first reading this, I confess that it scares me about the Antec Power Supplies, but I have one on my Antec Sonata case and I?ve been thinking of building my second system.

It?s taken me several hours covering what has been written here and I?ve come upon a decision; this whole topic is crapolla express due to one person in particular.

ones3k perclames:
?From what i've read, power supplies are quite cheap to make and companies make huge profits off them. Thats why we are seeing all these new companies such as OCZ entering the mix.?

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That is just not true. It is so far from the truth it makes me sick that someone who knows nothing would make a claim such as that and continue on through this thread making other false assertions.

Though I?m now 71 and may be thought of by some as one who knows nothing, I?ve worked as a young man who wrote the book on transistor technology and I engineered some of the first wafer chips made with him almost fifty years ago at Radiation Inc.

I?ve also worked at the John F Kennedy Space Center in Florida for the last forty some years and I?ve seen it all. I?ve seen power supplies that cost as much as you make in a year and takes two men to lift blow sky high after a years use.

You can build a power supply for less than twenty dollars and you can spend as much as a thousand dollars on the same unit making it better; I?ve worked with the best and I?ve seen them all fail at times.

You don?t put junk in highly regulated power supplies and expect it to do half the job that some of these units accomplish. I know, I?ve lifted them and looked inside of them. They have transformers, SCR diode switches, resisters, caps, and regulating circuitry. I?ve seen some of them and those transformers are heavy and costly. You are getting a real bargain at a hundred dollars a unit to get the regulation they produce.

I have to admit, you got me scared and discouraged at first, but I?ve done my homework boy. I?d suggest you do yours too and shut the hell up, quit scaring people until you learn something.

I?m assuming you?re a kid, but I can?t find out, you?ve disabled your information. I?m no kid; I have years and years behind me.

I?m sorry for bringing this sick topic back folks, but I had to vent after spending half the night researching my next build for power supply units and this guy wasted my time.

 
My computer crashed last night.

I was playing CS:S and it crashed. I rebooted and it should lines and colors of fuzz. Then when it go to Windows XP - the screen went blank.

I recently installed Hauppauge PVR-150 but that was working fine. I did have my computer one for about a day running.

I am worried that it may be a power issue, any experience out there on this?

Pleas help.
Thanks
 
Originally posted by: galbicake
My computer crashed last night.

I was playing CS:S and it crashed. I rebooted and it should lines and colors of fuzz. Then when it go to Windows XP - the screen went blank.

I recently installed Hauppauge PVR-150 but that was working fine. I did have my computer one for about a day running.

I am worried that it may be a power issue, any experience out there on this?

Pleas help.
Thanks

When you say it crashed, what do you mean? It just stopped responding or did it actually pop up an error message saying you need to shut down CS:S?

 
Originally posted by: Spike
Originally posted by: ones3k
ROFL, a modded PC P & C failed. Please find me a STOCK PC P & C that failed. I bet you wont find any... And thats because PC P & C is a respectable company thats interested in more than just the bottom line. They use the highest quality heatsinks and capacitors in their products and have the highest MTBF in the industry. If i modded my Antec true430 it would probably catch fire and burn my house down.

No, that would happen if you used an Ultra, and you would not even have to go to the trouble of modding it before it burned your house down.

BTW, I can bring up a ton of reports showing enermax failing, heck, I even had one fail on me but that does not mean the brands are bad because of a few failures. I will continue to use my current Enermax and Antec powered computers.

And yes, I do want to bump your thread showing that a few problems does not mean a problem with all. ALL components have failures, if I am increasing my chance of failure by 1% and saving $100 in the meantime then so be it. Oh, please find the total % failure rate Antecs have and compare that the PC P & C. I bet antec PSU's outsell them more than 10 to 1 so if even if they have 10 times more failures they are still just as good as PC P & C. If you are going to offer "help" to new system builders please include all the relevant data.

-spike

EDIT** Before any asks I am not trying to claim that Antec's are as high quality as PC P & C just that since they sell a TON more there are bound to be more failure reportings.


I still like enermax... but i've had two die on me. One 350W and one 450W i've only ever owned 3. (The two 450's I have right now are running beautifully now though)
 
It stopped responding and it rebooted. Then the screen scambled up on the boot and blacked out on the XP start up.

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: galbicake
My computer crashed last night.

I was playing CS:S and it crashed. I rebooted and it should lines and colors of fuzz. Then when it go to Windows XP - the screen went blank.

I recently installed Hauppauge PVR-150 but that was working fine. I did have my computer one for about a day running.

I am worried that it may be a power issue, any experience out there on this?

Pleas help.
Thanks

When you say it crashed, what do you mean? It just stopped responding or did it actually pop up an error message saying you need to shut down CS:S?

 
Originally posted by: galbicake
It stopped responding and it rebooted. Then the screen scambled up on the boot and blacked out on the XP start up.

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: galbicake
My computer crashed last night.

I was playing CS:S and it crashed. I rebooted and it should lines and colors of fuzz. Then when it go to Windows XP - the screen went blank.

I recently installed Hauppauge PVR-150 but that was working fine. I did have my computer one for about a day running.

I am worried that it may be a power issue, any experience out there on this?

Pleas help.
Thanks

When you say it crashed, what do you mean? It just stopped responding or did it actually pop up an error message saying you need to shut down CS:S?

Hey man, you should start your own thread to get help instead of adding your question onto the bottom of this unrelated topic. You'll get more help faster. And post it in video too.

Is your rig OC'd?

If you are having artifacts on bootup, IMHO likley your gfx card is f'd up. Check to see if the fan on it is working when you try to boot. Could've overheated.

See if you can try another card

I was gonna say to try "safe mode", but if its having artifacts on the BIOS screen, the drivers aren't the problem.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: rise4310
Originally posted by: ones3k
Go get me links of PC power & cooling failures. Hard to find huh?

errr, all psu's can have a problem.

btw, what did you have, the original true power?

err all PSU`s can have problems.......Thats true......but......seems like the Antec`s are truly problem prone.

Then again a few testimonials never hurt....

PP&C was kind enough to offer me an RMA number even though I'd told them I had modded one of the pots to up my 3.3 line. Long story short, I just don't have the time, I'll mail it later this week. For now, I dropped an Antec in her and backed the oc down to 3.8. PP&C might be great PSU's but heaven help us from the power hungry prescott.


Update: Yesterday I arrive home to a fedex package left at the office. They OVERNIGHTED a new 510 Deluxe. I'm like, wtf and call them. They said just drop my burned-out one in the box and ship it back. Postage was pre-paid. I was totally astonished. I took the Antec back to Compusa for a full refund. The antec's rails (3.3 and 12.0) were a bit droppy but this turbocool is running strong as ever.

I'm truly astonished and will always highly recommend PP&C. You're right, for such a high price, you definitely get better support. I had to ask the Salesperson 3 times if there was some mistake before she said "that's why we've been in business for 22 years."

Notice his honesty...he modded one of the pots...depending on how he modded the pot that could have been the issue..his mod...yet...

PC Power & Cooling still treated him like royalty........
Overnighted his replacement....can we say Customer Service Roxors??

I will stick with my 2 PC Power & Cooling PSU`s...both 510`s....1 the Deluxe and one the Express/SLI!!
 
Fern,

Thread that I already started

Yeah, I am having artifacts on boot up. Sometimes and then sometimes not. The fans are working and I am not OCing.

I fear it may be the card. I just picked up a Geforce 6800 from Circuit City that I plan on plugging in. They have a 30 day return policy on open hardware...

I know Radeon's customer service sucks but I am wondering if this is covered under warranty?

Thanks,


Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: galbicake
It stopped responding and it rebooted. Then the screen scambled up on the boot and blacked out on the XP start up.

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: galbicake
My computer crashed last night.

I was playing CS:S and it crashed. I rebooted and it should lines and colors of fuzz. Then when it go to Windows XP - the screen went blank.

I recently installed Hauppauge PVR-150 but that was working fine. I did have my computer one for about a day running.

I am worried that it may be a power issue, any experience out there on this?

Pleas help.
Thanks

When you say it crashed, what do you mean? It just stopped responding or did it actually pop up an error message saying you need to shut down CS:S?

Hey man, you should start your own thread to get help instead of adding your question onto the bottom of this unrelated topic. You'll get more help faster. And post it in video too.

Is your rig OC'd?

If you are having artifacts on bootup, IMHO likley your gfx card is f'd up. Check to see if the fan on it is working when you try to boot. Could've overheated.

See if you can try another card

I was gonna say to try "safe mode", but if its having artifacts on the BIOS screen, the drivers aren't the problem.

Fern

 
Originally posted by: KoolDrew
Antec PSU's are very popular. That contributes to how many you actually hear about dieing. I must admit though, Antec has not been impressing me lately.

Not true at all...
lets rephrase what you said make it more truthful if you will...

Alot of people by PSU`s that are cheap in price.
In the PSU market cheap in price at least uup to a certain dollar amount also, usually but not always means cheap in workmanship, quality and components used to manufacture.

There that sounds better. Don`t you think?

 
Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
Personaly I'll stick w/ my seasonic S12 600, its rails just don't move and are all well within the ATX spec. and I can't hear it over my case or cpu fan.

Actually PC Power & Cooling PSU`s have addressed the minor noise issue. By adding a circuit that throttles down the fan according to the temperature which greatly reduces any sound coming from the PSU.So basically its a temperature sensing circuit that controls the fan.

I am very happy with both my PC Power & Cooling PSU`s!!
 
Originally posted by: John
Your little crusade is nothing more than a weak attempt to bash a reputable company. I don't know of many 'reputable' psu mfg's that use 100% Japanese caps in their units. Those caps don't necessarily guarantee a better product either.

John your missing the point.
Companies like Antec and even Seasonic buy there CAP`s in bulk from whoever gives them the lowest price.
Companies like Zippy and Forton and PC Power & Cooling as well as other even though they buy in bulk the don`t jump around seeking the best price.
They stick with a tried and true company that has consitently bult CAP`s and good quality control regardless of the price.

Antec is a good company as are all others but...I wouldn`t place Antec in my top 5 list of PSU manufacturers..lol
 
Originally posted by: GamerExpress
I am sure that there are many more people using Antec PSU's then PCP&C. You have to look at the percentage of Antec PSU's that are failing vs. the percentage of all others. I have long used Antec products and not had a single problem, I am sure that some of them fail, but so do all other brands. PCP&C are awesome!!!! but Antec isn't a junk brand and overall have a pretty high track record.

Of course there are more peeps using Antec here...there are alot of teens and people still living at home who post here.
They are on a budget and can`t pop out $200+ or even $150+ for a PSU......but whose fault is that?
You would think that Antec as well as others would do more quality control when it comes to there purchasing of CAPs and not care more about the price of the CAP`s they purchase. Instead they should be getting quality CAP`s.
You would think if Antec was so good they could easily build a PSU to comepte with the Big Boys and put the Big Boys out of buisness....hmmmm.....novel idea...
 
If you want to go Power Supplies..
On top of the reliablity list must be companies like Delta and SPI.


These companies sell power supplies to loads and loads of large Tier One Vendors.

The thing with Tier one vendors is that if your products are unreliable and pass a certain threshold of failiure rate. The whole production lot of products you shipped to the Tier one vendor has will be refused and you will have to come up with new batch. Do that too many times and you get dumped as a supplier.

I have being using SPI/FSP power supplies for quite some time. However, they do have some "cheapo products" such as their ATX series... For SPI/FSP.. always get the ones with FSP-xxxxxxxx model numbers. They are much better!!..


However the latest power supply I got is a Antec NEO HE-500. It seems to work fine and its pretty quiet. If you every consider a Antec NEO HE, make sure its S/N is 0511xxxxxx... , 0512xxxx... or 06xxxxxxx. Those are the ones which have been fixed.


As for capcitors. Well, SPI Delta gets there from Teapo Korea... Alot of Mobo vendors get theirs from the japanese firm Rubycon for their higher end boards.


 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: GamerExpress
I am sure that there are many more people using Antec PSU's then PCP&C. You have to look at the percentage of Antec PSU's that are failing vs. the percentage of all others. I have long used Antec products and not had a single problem, I am sure that some of them fail, but so do all other brands. PCP&C are awesome!!!! but Antec isn't a junk brand and overall have a pretty high track record.

Of course there are more peeps using Antec here...there are alot of teens and people still living at home who post here.
They are on a budget and can`t pop out $200+ or even $150+ for a PSU......but whose fault is that?
You would think that Antec as well as others would do more quality control when it comes to there purchasing of CAPs and not care more about the price of the CAP`s they purchase. Instead they should be getting quality CAP`s.
You would think if Antec was so good they could easily build a PSU to comepte with the Big Boys and put the Big Boys out of buisness....hmmmm.....novel idea...

Most people won't spend $200+ on a PSU when a $50 Fortron will power their computer just fine.

A power supply isn't a CPU or a video card, spending more won't get you more performance. Either your PSU can power your system or it can't.

Blowing $200 on a component that gives you no tangible gain is a huge waste of money.
 
Originally posted by: ones3k
Go get me links of PC power & cooling failures. Hard to find huh?

They are going to have fewer failures because they dont sell near the volume Antec does. Antec is definately more visible than any other company. Even if the average failures per thousand was the same antec would get more bad press from idiots like you. Thats not to say that there are not better brands if your willing to spend the money.
 
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