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Originally posted by: ones3k
ROFL, a modded PC P & C failed. Please find me a STOCK PC P & C that failed. I bet you wont find any... And thats because PC P & C is a respectable company thats interested in more than just the bottom line. They use the highest quality heatsinks and capacitors in their products and have the highest MTBF in the industry. If i modded my Antec true430 it would probably catch fire and burn my house down.
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No, that would happen if you used an Ultra, and you would not even have to go to the trouble of modding it before it burned your house down.

BTW, I can bring up a ton of reports showing enermax failing, heck, I even had one fail on me but that does not mean the brands are bad because of a few failures. I will continue to use my current Enermax and Antec powered computers.

And yes, I do want to bump your thread showing that a few problems does not mean a problem with all. ALL components have failures, if I am increasing my chance of failure by 1% and saving $100 in the meantime then so be it. Oh, please find the total % failure rate Antecs have and compare that the PC P & C. I bet antec PSU's outsell them more than 10 to 1 so if even if they have 10 times more failures they are still just as good as PC P & C. If you are going to offer "help" to new system builders please include all the relevant data.

-spike

EDIT** Before any asks I am not trying to claim that Antec's are as high quality as PC P & C just that since they sell a TON more there are bound to be more failure reportings.
 
I run practically all our CRTs at their max refresh rate here at work, too. They are not failing at an abnormal rate. Check your house wiring for problems, and ask your utility company if they can monitor your electrical main over a several-day period.
 
I am impresssed with the seasonic 600W after seeing the benchmarks it did better than the pc power cooling.
 
Originally posted by: mechBgon
I run practically all our CRTs at their max refresh rate here at work, too. They are not failing at an abnormal rate. Check your house wiring for problems, and ask your utility company if they can monitor your electrical main over a several-day period.
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Yes i've suspected faulty wiring here for awhile. It does seem like we are going through CRTs like water. But this is the first PSU failure i've had here, and we have quite a few computers, most of them have been runing 24/7 for 3-4 years. BTW, our house is 8 years old (building was completed in summer of 97), is bad power more or less likely with newer houses?
 
Seasonic's are good from reviews I've read too, I don't know if they perform better but their warranty is 3 years vs. PC Power & Cooling's 5 years.
 
Originally posted by: ones3k
Capacitors arent something that gets sold to end users frequently. Comapnies usually sell them in bulk to circuit board manufacturers. Likewise, i'm sure its not easy to find detailed information on all the Capacitor brands out there. It's just not an end-user product. Im not going to argue with you about this issue. Go read the links i posted. Antec is using taiwanese brands that have a history of LEAKING. Go use google, im sure you will find some juicy information about Antec and the crappy components they use.
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less than 30second google search:

delivery as well
 
i really dont understand the PC P&C comparison, they price difference would justify a better overall PSU from PC P&C

to draw an analogy, i would pick lexus over toyota, but i do so with a premium and just because lexus is "better" than toyota, doesnt make toyota bad (esp in terms of value)

to each his own
 
Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
Originally posted by: ones3k
Capacitors arent something that gets sold to end users frequently. Comapnies usually sell them in bulk to circuit board manufacturers. Likewise, i'm sure its not easy to find detailed information on all the Capacitor brands out there. It's just not an end-user product. Im not going to argue with you about this issue. Go read the links i posted. Antec is using taiwanese brands that have a history of LEAKING. Go use google, im sure you will find some juicy information about Antec and the crappy components they use.
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less than 30second google search:

delivery as well
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Do you want a medal for that achievement? Maybe i was too lazy to search, ever think of that? After all the whole topic of "searching for capacitor sales" stemmed from a MISREAD of one of my posts.
 
Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
i really dont understand the PC P&C comparison, they price difference would justify a better overall PSU from PC P&C

to draw an analogy, i would pick lexus over toyota, but i do so with a premium and just because lexus is "better" than toyota, doesnt make toyota bad (esp in terms of value)

to each his own
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We arent just talking about PC P & C, we're talking about Seasonic, fortron, etc. all of which are comparable in price to Antec. Besides, PC P & C offers the "silent" line that sell for around 100$.
 
This sentence sounds like you are issuing a command "Damnit, please reread your post, you were talking about caps..."

Not only do you need to read my posts entirely, but you need to be more clear when typing. Maybe its all the exhaust from your antec 430 thats causing you trouble. Switch to PC P & C asap!
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you sound less and less like someone concerned about people buying bad antec power supplies and more like a pc p&c trolling fanboi. most of you people didn't even know who pc p&c were until maxpc started touting them.

edit: in another post you admit you think you have a power problem in your house because you've blown 5 crts and a power supply. do you really think any power supply is going to stand up to that?


Do not take anything ones3k is saying as informative or impartial...he obviously has serious issues when he blames the refresh rate of 5 crts as the reason for the failure of all 5 monitors. I read this entire thread in the hopes of discerning a possible cause of issues I am having with my system and am disgusted by his inability to seporate fact from emotion over his hatred of Antec and apparent fixation on naming a single brand as the alternative to fit every other users needs.
 
Originally posted by: Spike
BTW, I can bring up a ton of reports showing enermax failing, heck, I even had one fail on me but that does not mean the brands are bad because of a few failures. I will continue to use my current Enermax and Antec powered computers.
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Enermax is OK (definitely not top-tier, IMO) and Antec is below that.

And yes, I do want to bump your thread showing that a few problems does not mean a problem with all. ALL components have failures, if I am increasing my chance of failure by 1% and saving $100 in the meantime then so be it. Oh, please find the total % failure rate Antecs have and compare that the PC P & C. I bet antec PSU's outsell them more than 10 to 1 so if even if they have 10 times more failures they are still just as good as PC P & C. If you are going to offer "help" to new system builders please include all the relevant data.
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Just because a product outsells another doesn't mean it is the better product. By this methodology Intel's P-D series are superior to AMD's X2 but we know that isn't the case.

I find those who bash PC P&C have the following credentials: They've never owned one; They don't plan to (usually because it is "too expensive"); and quite often they've had power supplies fail. I will gladly pay $200 up front for a top-quality PS before taking my chances with the $100 or less crowd. One incident and the time lost easily outweighs the price difference (time IS money).

**EDIT** Before any asks I am not trying to claim that Antec's are as high quality as PC P & C just that since they sell a TON more there are bound to be more failure reportings.
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Good thing, because you know they aren't 😀
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Spike
BTW, I can bring up a ton of reports showing enermax failing, heck, I even had one fail on me but that does not mean the brands are bad because of a few failures. I will continue to use my current Enermax and Antec powered computers.
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Enermax is OK (definitely not top-tier, IMO) and Antec is below that.

And yes, I do want to bump your thread showing that a few problems does not mean a problem with all. ALL components have failures, if I am increasing my chance of failure by 1% and saving $100 in the meantime then so be it. Oh, please find the total % failure rate Antecs have and compare that the PC P & C. I bet antec PSU's outsell them more than 10 to 1 so if even if they have 10 times more failures they are still just as good as PC P & C. If you are going to offer "help" to new system builders please include all the relevant data.
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Just because a product outsells another doesn't mean it is the better product. By this methodology Intel's P-D series are superior to AMD's X2 but we know that isn't the case.

I find those who bash PC P&C have the following credentials: They've never owned one; They don't plan to (usually because it is "too expensive"); and quite often they've had power supplies fail. I will gladly pay $200 up front for a top-quality PS before taking my chances with the $100 or less crowd. One incident and the time lost easily outweighs the price difference (time IS money).

**EDIT** Before any asks I am not trying to claim that Antec's are as high quality as PC P & C just that since they sell a TON more there are bound to be more failure reportings.
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Good thing, because you know they aren't 😀
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I think you slightly mis-read my post. The point I was trying to make is that more failure reportings of Antecs does not mean they are worse than a product with less failure reportings as it's all about volume. If they are even in sales then yes, more failures = worse product but if Antec sells 10x more than brand X yet there are 10 times as many Antec failures then they have the same failure rate.

I would never argue that Antec, Enermax, OCZ, Seasonic, etc... are as good as PC P & C but I believe they are better deals, though to each his own. I also don't believe in spending $100+ extra for LL ram that may give me 2-5% increase in perfomance, I would rather pocket the money saved or get a better CPU or Vid card where $100 can make a TON of difference.

I will happily stick by Antec and Enermax as "decent" brands of PSU and don't see any reason to upgrade or pay a $100 more. $50 for a 500 watt Antec is good in my book 🙂

-spike
 
Haha "links"...all I know is that I (and a very large number of other people...I can find "links" to them if you want) have been very happy with every Antec PSU that I have used, and I have never had any problems with them. I've used the Truepower 380 to power a system that many people have told me is "too much" for that PSU (Athlon64, 4 HDD's, 2 optical, 2 PCI-cards, modern graphics card, 120 mm case fans) in 24/7 operation for almost 2 years now, and I've deployed it in a number of other systems as well, never with any problems. So "links" or no, I wouldn't hesitite to recommend an Antec PSU to most builders under most circumstances (okay, if you want dual-core + 7800 GTX's in SLI, you probably want a big PSU from someone like Enermax...but barring a setup like that, an Antec PSU should be perfectly fine).
 

Do not take anything ones3k is saying as informative or impartial...he obviously has serious issues when he blames the refresh rate of 5 crts as the reason for the failure of all 5 monitors.
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If you would go back and read my post. I simply stated that i run my monitors at the highest refresh rate. Now this DOES reduce their lifespan, i was NOT blaming refreshrate on my CRT failures, i was stating that it COULD have an influence. In fact, i also have stated many times that i DO BELIEVE that there is an electrical problem in my house!

I read this entire thread in the hopes of discerning a possible cause of issues I am having with my system and am disgusted by his inability to seporate fact from emotion over his hatred of Antec and apparent fixation on naming a single brand as the alternative to fit every other users needs.
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Apparent fixation on naming a single brand eh? Scroll back buddy, i clearly listed Seasonic, fortron, and PC P & C as quality vendors.

Go sit down, newcomer.
 
of course

Antec is not a top quality psu maker.

PC&P, Fortron/Sparkle, Seasonic are a notch above Antec, OCZ and Enermax.

Group 1: PC&P, Fortron/Sparkle, Seasonic

Group 2: Antec, OCZ, Enermax
 
ones3k, PCP&C sells a fraction of psu's compared to Antec. Not to mention they are a niche company that caters to enthusiasists. It's only natural that you'll find more Antec failure threads. Please do us all a favor and stop trolling.
 
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