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Warm? Philips Reconditioned Electronics Up to 50% off retail

BEWARE! (?)

I am not sure how to check this, but I think it's weird that only the descriptions point to "http://www.consumer.philips.com/" whereas the adress you give (and all "add to cart" links) point to "216.24.232.109" ... Which is unreachable by "traceroute", and I don't know how to check the owner, etc. but it seems like a scam...

somebody knowing good urls for online tools to check ownership informations of an ip adress, please tell us more about this 🙂
 
I smell a scam. I was poking around and just wanted to see how the checkout looked like, and guess what, no security when you enter your credit card information. I would NOT order from this place.
 
According to Arin Whois the IP is not Phillips... Here are results:

Search results for: 216.24.232.109


OrgName: eToll, Inc.
OrgID: ETOLLI
Address: 681 Andersen Dr Suite 305 Bldg 6
City: Pittsburgh
StateProv: PA
PostalCode: 15220
Country: US

NetRange: 216.24.224.0 - 216.24.239.255
CIDR: 216.24.224.0/20
NetName: ETOLL1
NetHandle: NET-216-24-224-0-1
Parent: NET-216-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: NS1.ETOLL.NET
NameServer: NS2.ETOLL.NET
NameServer: NS3.FFWD.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2000-05-19
Updated: 2002-08-22

TechHandle: IF71-ARIN
TechName: FastForward, Inc.
TechPhone: +1-412-921-2900
TechEmail: ipadmin@ffwd.com

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-05-15 20:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

 
Seems strange, When I go to check out the site is secure and the cert belongs to www.pusa-store.com which comes back to
Organization:
FastForward, Inc.
John Iannucci
400 Holiday Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15220
US
Phone: 412-921-2900
Email: john.iannucci@ffwd.com

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: PUSA-STORE.COM

Created on..............: Tue, Nov 05, 2002
Expires on..............: Wed, Nov 05, 2003
Record last updated on..: Wed, Jan 08, 2003

Administrative Contact:
FastForward, Inc.
DNS Administrator
400 Holiday Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15220
US
Phone: 412-921-2900
Email: dnsadmin@ffwd.com

Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Register.Com
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue - 11th Floor
New York, NY 10018
US
Phone: 902-749-2701
Fax..: 902-749-5429
Email: domain-registrar@register.com

Domain servers in listed order:

DNS33.REGISTER.COM 216.21.234.87
DNS34.REGISTER.COM 216.21.226.87

Register your domain name at http://www.register.com

 
Doesn't even look like a site that Philips would maintain... the code is too messy. Take a look at the source...
 
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Have you purchased from this site before Psychochip? Seems a little odd that you would be a memeber here for 2+ years and only have 4 posts.... not callin you out just yet, but I'm getting curious.


Just checked out the html code found something interesting in it......

Created by David Gardner (toolmandav@geocities.com)
No warranty of any kind comes with this script!
Permission granted to Dynamic Drive (http://dynamicdrive.com)
to post and feature this script on their DHTML archive

I don't think this site has anything to do with Phillips for sure now. Created by a guy with a Geocities email address?


Also.............

//configure the two variables below to match yoursite's own info
var bookmarkurl="http://216.24.232.109/reconditionedproducts.asp"
var bookmarktitle="Smart Buys for Savvy People! Philips Electronics products renewed to factory specifications"

function addbookmark(){
if (document.all)
window.external.AddFavorite(bookmarkurl,bookmarktitle)
}
</script>
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JAVASCRIPT TYPE="TEXT/JAVASCRIPT">
<!-- Hide script from old browsers

myPix = new Array("i/new_banner_2_225x250a.gif", "i/new_banner_2_225x250b.gif", "i/new_banner_2_225x250c.gif")
imgCt = myPix.length

function choosePic() {
if (document.images) {
randomNum = Math.floor((Math.random() * imgCt))
document.myPicture.src = myPix[randomNum]
}
}

// End hiding script from old browsers -->
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Err... the geocities.com address is only for the script used in the page. As far as the other Javascript you listed, that is just a script that hides images from older browsers. Lots of sites use them.

But with that said, that is why I said this isn't a Philips site. Philips has the resources to write their own code/scripts and wouldn't need to borrow from others.
 
Thanks! You just reminded me that I was planning on running a scam in the next couple of years so I better go ahead and make up some bogus user names now.

You guys are a paranoid bunch. Too bad they didn't have AT forums back in Salem, might have saved a few lives.
 
Just so you guys know it is a legit site. I forwarded the web site and IP to Philips and they responded as follows:

Thank you for your e-mail.

It appears to be a legal site for reconditioned Philips products.

If there is anything else we can assist you with, please do not hesitate to contact us at our website which is www.philipsusa.com

Thank you.
Sincerely,
Philips USA, Customer Support
 
Hi ddylis
when did you email to Phillips?
your first post was 6:30 pm friday. Phillips guys must be working ovetimee.
Would not touch the site
 
I Emailed them immediately after I posted. If you would like to do the same, click on the link at the bottom of the page for Philips USA. I then Emailied the webmaster for philips (us.ce.webmaster@philips.com ). After I did that I received an immediate response as shown below followed up with the response below that within an hour and a half. If you don't believe me try it... The email is going to the webmaster of Philips and NOT the site in question.......

Here is the first response from them:
Dear Sir / Madam,

We have received your e-mail and will answer your question within two business days.

With kindest regards,
Philips Customer Care Centres

_________________________________________

General information

At www.philips.com you will find a rich set of information on Philips and Philips products.

Internet communications are not secure and therefore Philips cannot accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.




The second response is as follows (personal information removed):

Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your e-mail.

It appears to be a legal site for reconditioned Philips products.

If there is anything else we can assist you with, please do not hesitate to contact us at our website which is www.philipsusa.com

Thank you.
Sincerely,
Philips USA, Customer Support


On May 16 2003 at 19:08:01 GMT-06:00 s_0000455735-dc7980209b@philips-customercare.com wrote:
> Dear customer care representative,
> a customer has sent a question via the Internet with the following details:
>
> Date : May 16, 2003, 9:07 pm (GMT-05:00)
> Customer name : xxxxxx
> Organization : -
> Address : xxxxxx
> Postal Code :xxxxxx
> City : xxxxx
> Country : xxxx
> E-mail : xxxxxx
> Telephone : xxxxx
> Age : xxx
> Gender :xxx
>
> Additional parameter(s):
>
> state :
>
> Comment / Question :
> I saw a site which states that they are Philips but based on their IP address it does not make sense... The copyright at bottom though says that it is Philips. You may wish to check it out:
>
> http://216.24.232.109/reconditionedproducts.asp
 
One thing to note here:

Companies very rarely handle thier own refurbished products. They bulk them out to other companies. Have you seen alot of homepages with "factory seconds" on them? Most companies dont sell retail direct. With that said, refurbished is exactly what you get, and who you get it from. The only warranty you get is DOA.

If the Philips reconditioned is so appealing, but this retailer scares you, contact Philips yourself.
 
I swear I have never ever seen such a paranoid group of people! So what if I only posted 4 times? Does that make me a criminal?!?! This is why I don't post anything...because paranoid people tick me off. If you don't like what's on the the site then keep it to yourself. I just posted the site to be a nice guy, but apparently its not worth being nice anymore.
 
Originally posted by: psychochip
I swear I have never ever seen such a paranoid group of people! So what if I only posted 4 times? Does that make me a criminal?!?! This is why I don't post anything...because paranoid people tick me off. If you don't like what's on the the site then keep it to yourself. I just posted the site to be a nice guy, but apparently its not worth being nice anymore.
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Well. Hot Deals are only hot when people don't get screwed by them. Sorry you posted a hot deal but don't ask people to let other people get screwed over.
 
If Phillips came back and said "It appears to be a legal site for reconditioned Philips products." but the copyright shows that it is a phillips run site..... it would seem that the phillips rep would say "congratulations on finding OUR site for refurbs"... not that it "appears" legit.

I'm calling this one questionable. Call me a seller of Crazy or something, but this doesn't smell right.


MODS- please check this out too if you need and then lock it up for us! Thanks!



doesn't seem right to me to have different sites registered to different contacts and addresses... All the links point to comsumer.phillips.com


Phillips.com info:

Registrant:
Phillips International, Inc. (PHILLIPS-DOM)
7811 Montrose Road
Potomac, MD 20854
US

Domain Name: PHILLIPS.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Phillips International, Inc. (WEOUEXRQQO) hostreg@phillips.com
Phillips International, Inc.
7811 Montrose Road
Potomac, MD 20854
US
301-340-2100


PUsa-store.com info:

Organization:
FastForward, Inc.
John Iannucci
400 Holiday Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15220
US
Phone: 412-921-2900
Email: john.iannucci@ffwd.com

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: PUSA-STORE.COM

Created on..............: Tue, Nov 05, 2002
Expires on..............: Wed, Nov 05, 2003
Record last updated on..: Wed, Jan 08, 2003

Administrative Contact:
FastForward, Inc.
DNS Administrator
400 Holiday Drive
Pittsburgh, PA 15220
US
Phone: 412-921-2900
Email: dnsadmin@ffwd.com

Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Register.Com
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue - 11th Floor
New York, NY 10018
US
Phone: 902-749-2701
Fax..: 902-749-5429
Email: domain-registrar@register.com
 
I hate to put a crimp on the conspiracy theorists, but go to Philips Consumer Electronics, then look at the bottom of the page for the banner that says, on it's left half, "Smart Buys For Savvy People". The banner links to (cue in the drums)... http://pusa-store.com - aka the page that original poster linked. I doubt that Philips would link from their site to a scammer that purports to sell Philips products. It looks like they've merely outsourced the refurb handling to an outside vendor.
 
Originally posted by: Snipersheep
I hate to put a crimp on the conspiracy theorists, but go to Philips Consumer Electronics, then look at the bottom of the page for the banner that says, on it's left half, "Smart Buys For Savvy People". The banner links to (cue in the drums)... http://pusa-store.com - aka the page that original poster linked. I doubt that Philips would link from their site to a scammer that purports to sell Philips products. It looks like they've merely outsourced the refurb handling to an outside vendor.
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good find!

//krunk (^_^x)
 
Thank you snipersheep for putting these people in thier place.

How many of you 'senior members' posted crap along the lines of : its a scam, stay away!

Give me some examples where refurbished is handled in house and completely certified by the manufacturer. Refurbed crap is ALWAYS subbed out. This way the manufacturer doesnt have to hastle with returns.

This is a hot deal becuase the prices are alot lower than retail and come with a warranty (never seen that with refurbed before). And it doesnt require alot of crappy YMMV stuff and phonecalls arguing to CSR trying to screw the seller out of thier money through PM coupons and other crap (which Ive found extremely annoying that these YMMV get all of the attention on this forum whilst it obviously states on BB CC OD OM Staples sites that these 'stacking PM coupons and other things are not allowed).

Its sad to see a legitimate post take so much crap from you people.
 
Originally posted by: Hazer
Thank you snipersheep for putting these people in thier place.

How many of you 'senior members' posted crap along the lines of : its a scam, stay away!

Give me some examples where refurbished is handled in house and completely certified by the manufacturer. Refurbed crap is ALWAYS subbed out. This way the manufacturer doesnt have to hastle with returns.

This is a hot deal becuase the prices are alot lower than retail and come with a warranty (never seen that with refurbed before). And it doesnt require alot of crappy YMMV stuff and phonecalls arguing to CSR trying to screw the seller out of thier money through PM coupons and other crap (which Ive found extremely annoying that these YMMV get all of the attention on this forum whilst it obviously states on BB CC OD OM Staples sites that these 'stacking PM coupons and other things are not allowed).

Its sad to see a legitimate post take so much crap from you people.
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ONKYO!
 
i'm interested in what all the people that have been calling it a scam have to say to that (the link from philips own site)
 
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