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as title says - not a bad deal for those that still run scsi and have a couple 68->80 adapters or need them for hotswap cages - FUJITSU 36GB 80 15K MAS Series - $40
Warm: Fujitsu 36GB 15k u320 80pin - $40
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Alternative:
http://www.hypermicro.com/prod...J3073RA&dept_id=06-005
MAU3073NP
About $80 shipped. Has double the capacity and is 68-pin.
http://www.hypermicro.com/prod...J3073RA&dept_id=06-005
MAU3073NP
About $80 shipped. Has double the capacity and is 68-pin.
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the fujitsu drives are known to be good desktop drives by the way their firmware is programmed. other high end scsi drives are not quite as good, like the high end 15k.5 seagates which were the first perpendicular 15k scsi drives and i think the first 300GB 15k scsi drives too, they have a mad str of over 110MB/s.
as far as putting one of these fujitsus in a desktop you would need a scsi card - a u160 card will work fine - lsi u160/ adaptect 19160, 29160, 39160 and then at least a u160 rated 68pin scsi cable w/ terminator.
the raptors do give these drives a run for the $$$, but no 7.2k hdd can and in all honesty, even though some synthetic benches show the raptor being better for home machines, i have used raptors on friends machines and i have used 15k hdds and the 15k hdd always seem a bit snappier, but that is my opinion and observation.
that said you can usually get the card in a fs/ft forum for ~$20 or so and a cable on ebay for ~$10, so the price isn't too bad and honestly had i seen the hypermicro deal i would have grabbed that instead, i it is a newer version (although from what i have read the difference between the mas and mau series was very small in terms of performance), larger and 68pin, so that is the better deal.
as far as putting one of these fujitsus in a desktop you would need a scsi card - a u160 card will work fine - lsi u160/ adaptect 19160, 29160, 39160 and then at least a u160 rated 68pin scsi cable w/ terminator.
the raptors do give these drives a run for the $$$, but no 7.2k hdd can and in all honesty, even though some synthetic benches show the raptor being better for home machines, i have used raptors on friends machines and i have used 15k hdds and the 15k hdd always seem a bit snappier, but that is my opinion and observation.
that said you can usually get the card in a fs/ft forum for ~$20 or so and a cable on ebay for ~$10, so the price isn't too bad and honestly had i seen the hypermicro deal i would have grabbed that instead, i it is a newer version (although from what i have read the difference between the mas and mau series was very small in terms of performance), larger and 68pin, so that is the better deal.
MrDudeMan, like bon4432 said it is not hard at at all. I have 2 36 gig mau ones and they fly. I have one for the os and one for games only and then I have a sata 2 250 gig for the pron, I mean the important data 
. With todays games taking so much gigs (ut 2k4 is over 11 gigs so far), lost planet took a big chunk too and bioshock will too I might bite and get this one. I have used scsi for a long time (used to be really expensive) but now with the new sas drives regular 80 pin drives have decreased enough to be affordable. I have also tried all the versions of the raptors and even tough they are fast they do not compare with scsi. SCSI feels a lot snapier like bob4432 said. I always have had the same configuration one small fast drive for the os and then another one for games and programs. My recomendation would be to get 2 one for os and the other for the games
. With todays games taking so much gigs (ut 2k4 is over 11 gigs so far), lost planet took a big chunk too and bioshock will too I might bite and get this one. I have used scsi for a long time (used to be really expensive) but now with the new sas drives regular 80 pin drives have decreased enough to be affordable. I have also tried all the versions of the raptors and even tough they are fast they do not compare with scsi. SCSI feels a lot snapier like bob4432 said. I always have had the same configuration one small fast drive for the os and then another one for games and programs. My recomendation would be to get 2 one for os and the other for the games 
MrDudeMan
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Thanks for the help guys. What should I expect to pay for a decent SCSI card, cable, and terminator?
I was looking at this cable (w/ terminator already on it).
Wouldn't having a PCI SCSI controller card really bottleneck the performance of the drive(s)? The PCI bus is only 33MHz. Is it better to get a motherboard with native SCSI support? Would be tough though for a consumer system...
I was looking at this cable (w/ terminator already on it).
Wouldn't having a PCI SCSI controller card really bottleneck the performance of the drive(s)? The PCI bus is only 33MHz. Is it better to get a motherboard with native SCSI support? Would be tough though for a consumer system...
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that cable/terminator will work fine.
as far as a consumer m/b, they will be fine w/ that hdd - the pci bus has a max banwidth of ~133MB/s(or less if congested), this drive only maxes out at ~75MB/s, so you are fine. that is why i suggest a u160 card, a u320 card won't help in a single or even in a 2-3 drive setup. in fact the only drive that has a str over 100MB/s str is the seagate 15k.5 and honestly, it is no big deal to run it on a 33MHz bus, it is no the best but not a huge deal, mine bursts and strs at the sames speeds
but i wouldn't pay for a 66MHz pci-x setup if that was the only benefit.
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honestly, i don't even know. the way i look at it, 15k scsi drives are meant to run 24/7/365 x years, they are built like tanks, and i have never had a scsi hdd die on me, yet. i backup a couple of times a week and honestly for $40-$80 i really don't care if it lasts that long, but all the other 10-15k scsi hdds i have had have never had an issue in a home enviornment (for years). just make sure to actively cool them, the do get quite a bit warmer.
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got mine in today and installed it - hdtach is reading ~5.6ms access, burst of 99.9MB/s and a str of 74.2MB/s
it is replacing an older 15k hdd that will do somewhere, maybe the http/mysql home server drive - would be much better than a 7.2k hdd anyway, not that that machine gets enough traffic to warrant it, but hell why not since these are so cheap you can't sell them to make any $$$$
if you are new to scsi, i would recommend the 68 pin 74GB one from hypermicro - the 36GB mas drive i got didn't like one of my 68->80pin adapters, so not a big deal if you have a few adapters laying around, but not good for your first taste of scsi.
other than works like a charm and the transfer took ~9mins w/ acronis
it is replacing an older 15k hdd that will do somewhere, maybe the http/mysql home server drive - would be much better than a 7.2k hdd anyway, not that that machine gets enough traffic to warrant it, but hell why not since these are so cheap you can't sell them to make any $$$$
if you are new to scsi, i would recommend the 68 pin 74GB one from hypermicro - the 36GB mas drive i got didn't like one of my 68->80pin adapters, so not a big deal if you have a few adapters laying around, but not good for your first taste of scsi.
other than works like a charm and the transfer took ~9mins w/ acronis
Does the 8mb buffer hinder performance though?
Also, why are these so much cheaper than raptors, if both are 15k drives?
Would this produce a notable performance gain over a 300gb 7200.10 SATA?
Also, why are these so much cheaper than raptors, if both are 15k drives?
Would this produce a notable performance gain over a 300gb 7200.10 SATA?
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honestly, my 15k.5 300GB drive has 16MB of cache, this new mas drive has 8 but i can't tell the difference in home computing, and the fujitsus are known to have better firmware for home type stuff where the seagates are known to be better in the db arena.
these drives are cheaper because they are older drives, my mas unit was mid '04 drive and the mau series at hypermicro was a the newer series after that, now fujitsu it into the max series where the 74GB version will run you ~$250, so they are a gen or 2 old. plus remeber you have to buy a a card and cable, and these are recertified/rebuilt drives, they are not "brand new" but a scsi drive is built for enterprise reliability. also remember that mose new industries are going sas and the smaller 2.5" hdds.
what you get w/ a 15K drive is snappiness due to the extreme low seek times - seek and latency = mid 5ms, so yes there would be a noticeable "seat of the pants" improvement. str is getting close w/ the newest ide hdds but a drive running at 1/2 the rpms can't compete in the "find the data on the platter" game. to be honest, the best setup would be the mau hypermicro drive, if they still have any left. hell i am thinking of picking one up because they are so cheap, haha.
i will also say, the raptor is no slouch but imho feel that these drives are a bit snappier. plus i already had the rest of the scsi items to complete the chain, so that is something each person has to make up their own mind regarding.
i will also re-iterate that they need to be actively cooled, my 2 scsis sit in a cage w/ a 80mm fan just for them, this keeps them nice and ~ambient which is good. so that is a consideration also.
hope this helps you guy out.
can you please post links to all the things that would be needed to run this? (preferrably newegg links)
thanks
thanks
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not trying to be rude, but you would be much better buying a used u160 scsi card from the fs/ft forum here or over at 2cpu.com. look for a lsi u160 (part#:lsiu160) or adaptec models 19160, 29160 or 39160. i would say they should be no higher than $30 max used. brand new scsi cards on newegg are crazy expensive and are not needed. or possibly ebay from a seller w/ good feedback as a lot of those electronics sellers make bulk purchases of older workstations and these cards could be in them.
i have bought from this person for scsi items with good results.
also the cards will usually be pci-x but they are backward compatible w/ regular pci, just a bit of the card will be hanging out the slot - no biggie, just a forewarning
oh I understand what you mean, no rudness taken
I was just asking for links not so I can buy from newegg, but so I know what all is required. Is it just an scsi card and a cable with a terminal? Or is there something else?
I was just asking for links not so I can buy from newegg, but so I know what all is required. Is it just an scsi card and a cable with a terminal? Or is there something else?
Originally posted by: bob4432
not trying to be rude, but you would be much better buying a used u160 scsi card from the fs/ft forum here or over at 2cpu.com. look for a lsi u160 (part#:lsiu160) or adaptec models 19160, 29160 or 39160. i would say they should be no higher than $30 max used. brand new scsi cards on newegg are crazy expensive and are not needed. or possibly ebay from a seller w/ good feedback as a lot of those electronics sellers make bulk purchases of older workstations and these cards could be in them.
i have bought from this person for scsi items with good results.
also the cards will usually be pci-x but they are backward compatible w/ regular pci, just a bit of the card will be hanging out the slot - no biggie, just a forewarning
Heck, at prices these days you might even consider springing for a SCSI RAID controller.
Look for "dell perc3" or "lsi megaraid" 1600 or 1650 controllers
http://search.ebay.com/dell-pe...Q_trksidZm37QQfromZR40
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Originally posted by: yuchai
Originally posted by: bob4432
not trying to be rude, but you would be much better buying a used u160 scsi card from the fs/ft forum here or over at 2cpu.com. look for a lsi u160 (part#:lsiu160) or adaptec models 19160, 29160 or 39160. i would say they should be no higher than $30 max used. brand new scsi cards on newegg are crazy expensive and are not needed. or possibly ebay from a seller w/ good feedback as a lot of those electronics sellers make bulk purchases of older workstations and these cards could be in them.
i have bought from this person for scsi items with good results.
also the cards will usually be pci-x but they are backward compatible w/ regular pci, just a bit of the card will be hanging out the slot - no biggie, just a forewarning
Heck, at prices these days you might even consider springing for a SCSI RAID controller.
Look for "dell perc3" or "lsi megaraid" 1600 or 1650 controllers
http://search.ebay.com/dell-pe...Q_trksidZm37QQfromZR40
unless you are doing raid 5 i wouldn't as you will max out 32bit pci bandwidth w/ 2 in stripe easily
dell does offer a pci-e card that are usually around $200, it is one of the "perc" cards but can't remember the exact model number...
It's the Perc 4e / DC, thats the Dell version of the LSI 320-2E.
Those are good deals, I have 2 Fujitsu MAU3147NP's in RAID0.
I was thinking about picking up a couple of the 73GB models, would I be able to combine the 73GB and the 147GB in a raid array or would they have to be the same size?
Those are good deals, I have 2 Fujitsu MAU3147NP's in RAID0.
I was thinking about picking up a couple of the 73GB models, would I be able to combine the 73GB and the 147GB in a raid array or would they have to be the same size?
u can cobine them in a raid array but I would not recomend it since they will default to 73 gigs (meaning ur 147 gig hdds will only be seen as 73 gig)
I have the HD yuchai posted on an Adaptec 39160. I do a lot of video editing and graphics - so the speed is important. Solid drive with great speed. I also have another 36GB Fujitsui SCSI as a scratch disk for my workspace.
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