(Warm) CLIÉ? handheld pre-order
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From the site:
Now with built-in MP3 audio player and high resolution color screen, the all new CLIÉ? handheld is more attractive than ever!
o. MP3 audio playback
o. High resolution color screen
o. Jog Dial? control
o. Memory Stick® media slot
o. Stamina operation
o. Palm OS version 3.5
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-Tri
Now with built-in MP3 audio player and high resolution color screen, the all new CLIÉ? handheld is more attractive than ever!
o. MP3 audio playback
o. High resolution color screen
o. Jog Dial? control
o. Memory Stick® media slot
o. Stamina operation
o. Palm OS version 3.5
Image gallery.
-Tri
the mp3 playback prob sucks, but still it looks pretty sweeet. I wish i could trade my PEG300 for that 
codeyf
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based on what happened with the original Clie' i'd hold off a while if you really want the sony. very limited accessories or expansion options for it. no sony device has shown that the memory stick is good for anything other than storage.
The visor edge seems to have the most going for it in terms of accessories and expansion. Not to mention everything is backwards compatible. That gives you the modem, mp3 player(s), GPS, cell phones, etc....
Have yet to see what the SD slot can/will do for the Palm, although considering their market share, accessory development by other vendors really shouldn't be an issue.
Get a PocketPC. It's in the same price range and offers much more versatility.
This is very true, but you sacrifice the simplicity of the Palm OS when you submit yourself to the torture of yet another Microsoft OS......so it's a trade off.
The visor edge seems to have the most going for it in terms of accessories and expansion. Not to mention everything is backwards compatible. That gives you the modem, mp3 player(s), GPS, cell phones, etc....
Have yet to see what the SD slot can/will do for the Palm, although considering their market share, accessory development by other vendors really shouldn't be an issue.
Get a PocketPC. It's in the same price range and offers much more versatility.
This is very true, but you sacrifice the simplicity of the Palm OS when you submit yourself to the torture of yet another Microsoft OS......so it's a trade off.
<< This is very true, but you sacrifice the simplicity of the Palm OS when you submit yourself to the torture of yet another Microsoft OS......so it's a trade off. >>
The Palm is definately a simpler device, but that's because it is only an organizer. Whereas the PocketPC is literally a "pocket" PC. Just as PCs have a large learning curve, so does the PocketPC. As for torture of another MS OS, you're welcome to have an opinion on it.
However, Microsoft's latest OSs have had overwhelming support:
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows CE 3.0 (PocketPC)
I personally am one of those individuals. Once you try a Palm device (I had the CLIE PEG-S300), then switch to a PocketPC. There is NO going back. As market share for PocketPCs rises, you will see Palm straying away from the organizer concept toward a more sophisticated OS. (The new CLIE is good example of that, it adds some multimedia support that the PocketPCs have)
For those of you who want to make an informed decision, here is a pretty good comparison between a PocketPC and PalmOS PDA.
http://www.microsoft.com/MOBILE/enterprise/papers/why.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/MOBILE/enterprise/papers/why.asp
wow... the competition is getting better and better.
i was going to wait til m505 droped in price.
but this new clie sure looks nice.
wow.
does anyone know if you can record with this? like in sony's minidisk?
i was going to wait til m505 droped in price.
but this new clie sure looks nice.
wow.
does anyone know if you can record with this? like in sony's minidisk?
i have to say that this is a damn nice piece of HW. i have an m100 and i think that's slick! i wish i could have waited a little longer and got this thing...maybe in a year or so it will be in the 100-200 price range. anyway i wouldn't consider anything but palm at the moment. my father has an ipaq and it is nothing but troubles...it doesn't sync well and he has serious problems with outlook. i'd say if you want to transport documents/read books/listen to tinny mp3 (only 32 megs of them might i add)/pay 25 dollars a month for 36.6 net connection all for a whopping 500 dollars, then go for a pocket pc. but if you want a PDA for what a PDA is supposed to be then just stick with a monochrome model that has good e-mail capability. i would go for a new visor cause it is pretty cool looking and does everything that i would WANT a PDA to do...
I've heard of Psion, but I personally don't consider it much of an option. Reason being that 90-95% of the PDA market share is split between Palms and PocketPcs. So support for the devices is little to begin with, and will probably get worse as Palm and PocketPCs get that much better at what they do.
chiggachu, I have an IPAQ, and it has yet to give me a problem in WinXP. Remember, most computer problems are ESO errors. (Equipment Superior to Operator)
chiggachu, I have an IPAQ, and it has yet to give me a problem in WinXP. Remember, most computer problems are ESO errors. (Equipment Superior to Operator)
<< i have to say that this is a damn nice piece of HW. i have an m100 and i think that's slick! i wish i could have waited a little longer and got this thing...maybe in a year or so it will be in the 100-200 price range. anyway i wouldn't consider anything but palm at the moment. my father has an ipaq and it is nothing but troubles...it doesn't sync well and he has serious problems with outlook. i'd say if you want to transport documents/read books/listen to tinny mp3 (only 32 megs of them might i add)/pay 25 dollars a month for 36.6 net connection all for a whopping 500 dollars, then go for a pocket pc. but if you want a PDA for what a PDA is supposed to be then just stick with a monochrome model that has good e-mail capability. i would go for a new visor cause it is pretty cool looking and does everything that i would WANT a PDA to do... >>
Your dad must have a bunk iPaq and you obviously haven't done much research into PocketPC and are pulling facts straight out of your arse. I've had my iPaq for almost a year now, and I've used pretty much every PocketPC available. I have heard ActiveSync can be troublesome for a few out there, but I've had nothing but flawless syncs on mine, and the fact that it SYNCS whenever you update ANYTHING such as add a new contact in your Outlook, it'll automatically sync over to your PocketPC, you'll never have to hit the "hotsync" button, just drop it in the cradle and it's good to go.
As for tinny MP3's, yes, the iPaq's sound reproduction isn't perfect, but have you listened to MP3's on a Casio E-125 or a Casio EM-500 PocketPC? The sound reproduction is pretty darn good, just as good if not better than a Rio's. And as for 32 megs not being enough? You can add up to 1 GIG of MP3's with IBM's Microdrive, now surely, a Palm CANNOT do that. Your argument will be that you'll need to add the compact flash sleeve to the iPaq, this is true, it will be bulkier, but if you go to www.datanation.com they offer what is called a Silver Slider, which is a modified Compact Flash sleeve the has been slimmed down significantly and looks simply beautiful on the iPaq. And the Casio E-125 inherhently accepts the IBM Microdrive without any problems. And where are you getting this $25 a month for 33.6 connection crap from?? Have you not seen the compactflash modems that are readily available for PocketPCs that are all 56k? Do you not know that you can use ANY ISP (except for AOL of course) to log on to the net with your PocketPC? Do you not know that they also make compactflash ethernet adapters that can be used with PocketPCs? Trust me, for those of you palm zealots who find Palm to be the endall of PDA's, take a closer look at PocketPCs. It just bugs the hell out of me when people make half ass claims to justify the purchase of an overblown Royal Pocket organizer otherwise known as Palm. It's simple, YES. But if you're going to pay $500 for a PDA, you want a hell of a lot more than a SIMPLE organizer with tacked on multimedia, when you can have a TRUE PC with all multimedia built in seamlessly. Again, if you want just a SIMPLE organizer, then by all means, pop for an M100, it's cheap, and it does what it does well. But if you plan on spending a good amount of money on a PDA $200+ take a good hard look at PocketPC, you'll never go back.
GoldenTiger: I wouldn't call my EM500 a "monster," but then again, I wouldn't carry any PDA in my pocket. Even a Palm Vx is too big to carry around in your front pocket, unless you want to walk around looking like you have a stiffy all the time.
Here's my take: I own a PocketPC because it is a mobile entertainment device and laptop replacement. I can surf the web, albeit slowly, through a direct connection to my cellphone. I can listen to wma (2 hours worth on a 64 meg card is enough for me). I can play video games in color with sound, and pretty much any NES or Gameboy or Gameboy Color game, plus many SNES games. The battery life is 3x that of my old laptop. If I felt like it, I could rip my DVDs on my PC and reencode them to watch on my EM500, but that's a bit too much work for me.
My father owns a Palm IIIx because he needs a phone/address book and an organizer. Plain and simple.
Why anyone would buy a color Palm-based handheld is beyond me, until they get faster processors, more memory, better color, sound, and all the other necessary "multimedia" requirements. There really is no reason to have color on something you use as an addressbook.
Here's my take: I own a PocketPC because it is a mobile entertainment device and laptop replacement. I can surf the web, albeit slowly, through a direct connection to my cellphone. I can listen to wma (2 hours worth on a 64 meg card is enough for me). I can play video games in color with sound, and pretty much any NES or Gameboy or Gameboy Color game, plus many SNES games. The battery life is 3x that of my old laptop. If I felt like it, I could rip my DVDs on my PC and reencode them to watch on my EM500, but that's a bit too much work for me.
My father owns a Palm IIIx because he needs a phone/address book and an organizer. Plain and simple.
Why anyone would buy a color Palm-based handheld is beyond me, until they get faster processors, more memory, better color, sound, and all the other necessary "multimedia" requirements. There really is no reason to have color on something you use as an addressbook.
The biggest issue with the M505 and this new CLIE is that neither Palm, and esp. Sony are going to release the specs on the Expansion interface. I happened to still have access to the Palm's Developer forum, and went there to see if I could get ANY details, but due to the Secure Digital Music crap they don't release the info with out signing you life away. And well Sony's memory stick is worse, at least the Palm is using a sudo open standard. (BTW if anyone has access to the SDMI standards let me know I just want a look see).
Here is my 2 cents on the Pocket PC vs. Palm:
Palm
Almost completely Open OS and coding (there is about any app you could dream of out there)
Open hardware standards (If you wanted to produce a clone they will lease the HW designs out)
Huge development community out there, so don't say there is no support.
Pocket PCs
Closed OS and code???? yeah right.
Hardware varies from producer to producer.
Huge corporation driving the system developement, some developement community but issues with interop due to HW
Gets closer to being what a laptop already does.
Can run Linux on some but there is a linux port to a Palm HW platform in the works.
Plus how can they truly call it a "Pocket" PC when it does not fit in your pocket. It is bad enough carryin a wallet let alone a "Pocket PC".
On the positive side both have their place, but a PocketPC will never seep into the PDA market as far as the PalmOS has.
Duc
Here is my 2 cents on the Pocket PC vs. Palm:
Palm
Almost completely Open OS and coding (there is about any app you could dream of out there)
Open hardware standards (If you wanted to produce a clone they will lease the HW designs out)
Huge development community out there, so don't say there is no support.
Pocket PCs
Closed OS and code???? yeah right.
Hardware varies from producer to producer.
Huge corporation driving the system developement, some developement community but issues with interop due to HW
Gets closer to being what a laptop already does.
Can run Linux on some but there is a linux port to a Palm HW platform in the works.
Plus how can they truly call it a "Pocket" PC when it does not fit in your pocket. It is bad enough carryin a wallet let alone a "Pocket PC".
On the positive side both have their place, but a PocketPC will never seep into the PDA market as far as the PalmOS has.
Duc
<< I've heard of Psion, but I personally don't consider it much of an option. Reason being that 90-95% of the PDA market share is split between Palms and PocketPcs. So support for the devices is little to begin with, and will probably get worse as Palm and PocketPCs get that much better at what they do.
>>
it true that palm and pocketpc are popular in America, but in Europe, Many people choose Psion. reason? it has a bigger screen, it does sound recording and playback, it takes CF cards, most importantly, IT HAS A KEYBOARD! a built-in, almost full size, keyboard.
just let people know, if u don't like M$, and Palm is not enough for you, there is another choice...
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