war veterans are committing violent acts after coming home

[boomerang]

Also don't forget the lowering of standards to get recruits so they wouldn't have to institute a draft. They took some losers that wouldn't have been qualified under normal peace times.

What, so AA is good except when it comes to the military? Might have been some gays that got in under these programs too you know.

Now don't let your knee bop you on your chin...

I have to say this acting like a progressive is somewhat fun. I can see why progressives never want to grow up.

 

[pcgeek11]

Also don't forget the lowering of standards to get recruits so they wouldn't have to institute a draft. They took some losers that wouldn't have been qualified under normal peace times.

You are obviously not qualified to discuss the standards for entering the military service. The standards now are 10 fold as strict compared to what they were during Vietnam Conflict ( war ) when they did have a draft. Do you even know what the requirements are now? Do you know what they were say 25 to 30 years ago?

Google it. You really need to.

For all those wanting to piss on the military I have two words for you... I think you know what they are (FU). Until you walk a mile in their shoes you need to shut the hell up. Sure there are a few bad apples in every basket. I do not think there are larger issues with the military than with the civilians they have sworn to protect, with their own lives if needed.

 

[rudder]

The implied meaning here is that these men are committing domestic violence as a result of their combat duty. Yet I saw nothing in those two articles supporting that.

Domestic violence is, unfortunately, pretty widespread in the US:


Given how widespread it is, it is unrealistic to expect there will not be occurrences in the military community. They are people too.
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What's more of interest to me about this topic is some new medical inquires into concussions. A lot has been learned, and done, in football. The results of concussions are worse than many expected, and concussions are are more widespread than expected. E.g., you don't have to be knocked out to suffer a concussion. In many cases we're finding it takes a lot longer to heal than was previously thought.

On the military side, they are developing new techniques to find concussive type brain injuries from combat, such as blast concussions from explosives/bombs and the like. The hope is the technique can identify such injuries much quicker instead of waiting for the more obvious manifestations.

Fern

I am with you thinking that the percentages we are looking at are probably normal. The problem is these guys who have been affected and come not having the resources available to provide treatment. budgets are tight and I bet a lot of soldiers coming back who would otherwise get referred for medical treatment are getting green lighted simply to keep costs down.

 

[JTsyo]

There's some interesting things people should understand about how training in the military changed after World War II when they found that in WWII - and apparently previous wars - man has a natural repulsion to killing that led to low rates of shooting to kill. So the training was changed to create 'auto-pilot' mode in soldiers to shoot to kill bypassing brain activity that prevented it.

The effects of this on soldiers is not well understood and is speculated to cause higher rates of PTSD (perhaps similar to 'shell shock' in earlier wars).

People want war to be some nice clean package - it's honorable, it's noble, you 'do your duty' making you a 'hero' and then you come back and every one thanks you for service.

It's not quite that way. People don't like to question the rights and wrongs of war, to ask when the agenda is corrupt how it can start to resemble 'murder' more than 'defense', etc.

This training I mentioned can cause re-adjustment to civilian life to be more difficult. There's plenty of info available from vets talking about the experience.

In part, this is a problem with the 'corporatization of war', when it's made into a 'business function' to be an arm of power and business agendas.

They don't need soldiers to be having problems killing - and they don't really mind chewing up and spitting out the soldiers from the service.

When I say 'they' I mean powerful interests that just want the killing done - the people closer to it care a lot, like the VA, IMO, but there's only so much they can do.

One more reason to tell young people, 'we have more than enough people in the military, do not enlist and let the government tell you who to kill until needed if we're attacked'.

Not sure it's the training. Probably more the type of war you're fighting. Much easier to fight when you know who the bad guys are and fighting a real war than a police action and having to keep alert even in friendly areas since the enemy can be anywhere.

 

[soundforbjt]

You are obviously not qualified to discuss the standards for entering the military service. The standards now are 10 fold as strict compared to what they were during Vietnam Conflict ( war ) when they did have a draft. Do you even know what the requirements are now? Do you know what they were say 25 to 30 years ago?

Google it. You really need to.

For all those wanting to piss on the military I have two words for you... I think you know what they are (FU). Until you walk a mile in their shoes you need to shut the hell up. Sure there are a few bad apples in every basket. I do not think there are larger issues with the military than with the civilians they have sworn to protect, with their own lives if needed.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,182930,00.html

All qualified male members of my family have served. Has yours?

 

[HumblePie]

Wow talk about a mis information thread title. It is such a blanket statement. It's like saying, American Schools are turning our children into homicidal maniacs. And then using the recent examples of idiot kids that went on a shooting spree in a school. Has it happened? Sure. Are the schools the ones turning these kids to do these actions? No.

Stupid thread title and stupid thread.

 

[pcgeek11]

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,182930,00.html

All qualified male members of my family have served. Has yours?

Yes. I myself retired after 20 years.

How many did you serve?

I'll let you know for a fact I was there from early 73 until after 93. There was no requirement for a High School diploma during the 60s and 70s nor did they require a GED certificate. They were letting troubled kids into the military to keep them out of jail ... The article is bull shit.

The below was all taken from the respective services web sites and present day requirements.

Army:

The Army is not accepting people with a GED in most areas of the country, however, the Army reserves the right to waive certain disqualifications and allow enlistment if deemed in the best interest of the individual and the service. If you will only need a waiver for the GED, it is highly likely that you will be accepted. Please note that when the Army did accept a GED, they were required to score at least 50 on the ASVAB.

There are some drawbacks to enlisting with a GED, such as not being eligible for bonuses. If you have 15 college credit hours under your belt, you will be eligible for bonuses. Also, upon reaching 30 college semester hours, no waiver is needed for the GED.

Navy:

Education
Generally speaking, you must be a high school graduate, have earned a GED or have met other high school equivalency requirements to enlist in the Navy. For specific qualifying circumstances, contact a recruiter.

Air Force:

Can I enlist with a GED?
The answer is yes. However, there are many additional criteria for enlisting with a GED as opposed to enlisting with a traditional High School diploma.
These are:
* You must obtain a 65 qualifying score on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB).
* Under normal circumstances, 1% of our enlisted force accessions are GED holders during a one-year period.
* If you are a GED holder, you can gain the same eligibility as a high school graduate by obtaining 15 or more semester hours of qualifying college credit.
* GED applicants must wait on slots to become available, and this can sometimes mean waiting periods of up to one year.
* You must be at least 18 years of age.

Marines:

To become an enlisted Marine, it takes the ability to achieve the highest standards of moral, mental and physical strength. For your son, daughter or student to become a Marine, he or she must meet the following requirements.

* Must be between the ages of 17 and 29
* Must be a high school graduate or have earned a GED
* Must meet physical requirements, including a timed run, push-ups and crunches
* Must earn a qualifying score on the ASVAB test

 

[cwjerome]

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,182930,00.html

Dude is comparing numbers from 1992, right after we slashed the shit out of the military, kicked people out, and lowered recruitment. Obviously a hack for knowingly presenting info that's skewed. What is not surprising or controversial is that the expansions and drawdowns of the military brings about the corresponding tightening and loosening of entrance qualifications. So what, life goes on. I think you just like to bitch and blame.

 

[soundforbjt]

Dude is comparing numbers from 1992, right after we slashed the shit out of the military, kicked people out, and lowered recruitment. Obviously a hack for knowingly presenting info that's skewed. What is not surprising or controversial is that the expansions and drawdowns of the military brings about the corresponding tightening and loosening of entrance qualifications. So what, life goes on. I think you just like to bitch and blame.

Yeah, I guess the the author ( a military man and a Dr.) is a hack.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yes. I myself retired after 20 years.

How many did you serve?

I tried to enlist, but a high school knee injury kept me out. With today's surgery tech it'd been no problem.

 

[pcgeek11]

I tried to enlist, but a high school knee injury kept me out. With today's surgery tech it'd been no problem.

Sorry about your knee.

But I have to point out that you are unqualified IMO to discuss the military. I posted real life experience and facts from the different service's web sites concerning the education levels required. In the 60s 70's and some 80's they didn't care if you graduated grade school must less high school or GED.

 

[cwjerome]

Yeah, I guess the the author ( a military man and a Dr.) is a hack.

Yeah I guess so