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Lifer
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Trump won bigly in areas with high opioid addiction. Now that white people are turning into addicts from originally prescribed painkillers it's suddenly a big problem. Those that can no longer get painkillers from their doctor now turn to the street and to harder drugs. America has a huge prescription drug problem and the dealers are the doctors and the drug industry. Good luck getting them to give up their meal ticket. Just look at the fact we (US) use 80% of all prescription drugs manufactured in the world.
 

interchange

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That's funny. It is true that if there were compulsory naltrexone depot injections, then these addictions would be "cured" in the sense that no one would be using opioids.

But if you are not forcing people to take the treatment (I can't imagine a way to do so legally), then this is just an example of a politician thinking he understands the first thing about addiction or medical care.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Trump won bigly in areas with high opioid addiction. Now that white people are turning into addicts from originally prescribed painkillers it's suddenly a big problem. Those that can no longer get painkillers from their doctor now turn to the street and to harder drugs. America has a huge prescription drug problem and the dealers are the doctors and the drug industry. Good luck getting them to give up their meal ticket. Just look at the fact we (US) use 80% of all prescription drugs manufactured in the world.

Watch the referenced episode. Seriously, he goes deeply into this, pointing out how it's now 'a white people problem' so people care.
 
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Thebobo

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If you (or anyone else) wants a really cool viewpoint about stuff like this, I recommend watching Anthony Bourdain's Parts Unknown, Season 4 Episode 7 (Massachusetts). Goes a lot into the Heroin/Opioid epidemic in the northeast (and the US as a whole), and a 2-3 minute finale that had me clapping with delight.

Here is another viewpoint

 

theeedude

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I would nullify federal drug prosecutions while GOP DOJ is running the show. You know they are going to do the ridiculous mandatory minimum sentences just to stuff for profit prisons. That's a bigger crime than drug use.
 
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Doesn't south east Asia have a no fucks given approach on drug use?
If you were paying attention, what's going on in the Philippines is monstrous. People are literally being executed by police and vigilantes over SUSPECTED drug involvement. No due process whatsoever. And they have the full backing of a wacko president in their campaign of terror.

And now we have Wingus and Dingus in charge here who are going to bring back the failed policies of yesteryear. I'm sure areas suffering from addiction can't wait to be thrown off their Medicaid which could help to pay for treatment and then be thrown in prison for being one of those filthy sub human drug users. :Rolleyes:
 
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zzyzxroad

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Wow simply wow.

A return to law enforcement.

Simply Wow.

Why would someone want to roll back the clock after all the great gains made over the last 8 years? Opioid deaths at a all time high. Probably more people died from ODing last year than all of Bush's 8 years. Having Mom and Dad found passed in a Burger King Parking lot with the babies in the back seat has become so common it doesn't even make the front page.


So you think prohibition works?
 
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hal2kilo

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And while in jail:

1. Give them little training so they can find a job on release.
2. Cut how much is spent to treat addictions

Really sets folks up for success post release.
You forgot. Have a permanent record so you can never get out of your hole.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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You forgot. Have a permanent record so you can never get out of your hole.
Y'all forgot the best trick, the recidivism game. That's where all prisoners are given the option of early release so, they get out 6 months early. It comes with a 2 year probation. Violate parole and 3 more years are automatically added to your sentence. No court, no judge, just returned to prison.
 
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1prophet

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You gotta replace all the people that would have went to jail for weed somehow, made for profit prisons need customers don't they?

Look at the bright side, Americans can compete with other countries that use similar means to provide cheap prices for the consumers and fat profits for the business owners providing those goods,

Let's see how easy it is now for both (the consumer and the business owner alike) to wash their hands of any ethical or moral responsibility when it happens in their back yard as opposed to some foreign worker in another country who both exploited without second thoughts.

Instead of discipline as a response, why not look at the actual cause that started the addiction in the first place. Most of the hardest hit areas by heroin epidemic were low income, rural parts of America. Places where manufacturing and physical labor got pulled out for cheaper labor or automation elsewhere. Or for other sources of raw materials (IE natural gas instead of coal). They lost their jobs and were left with nothing. So they turned to drugs to fill the void.

These people had nothing to lose in the first place so lording prison sentences over their head isn't a solution.

Why, aren't they just all a bunch of conservative brain defective deplorables, they should have gone to college and gotten an education, besides who do they think they are wanting an employer to pay them a living wage with benefits for their barely high school educated brains, according to the liberal establishment that only applies to inner city burger flippers that vote Democrat.

Remember the jealousy of west and east coast college educated liberals complaining about how some barely high school educated hick union worker in the midwest as well as elsewhere had equal or better pay and benefits than them, they were loving it when those free trade agreements as well as the Reagan Amnesty broke the unions and the pay of those deplorables while at the same time giving those college educated ivory tower elites not just their cheap prices but their self esteem back.

And here we are today, most of those card carrying union workers that had decent jobs and voted mostly Democrat are waning while the no job no hope, drug addicted deplorables are waxing and voting Republican as well as the Trumps of the world, and they don't give a damn if he burns down their neighborhood down as long as he burns down some of the liberal establishments neighborhoods at the same time.

Karma is a bitch
 

lopri

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That's funny. It is true that if there were compulsory naltrexone depot injections, then these addictions would be "cured" in the sense that no one would be using opioids.

But if you are not forcing people to take the treatment (I can't imagine a way to do so legally), then this is just an example of a politician thinking he understands the first thing about addiction or medical care.

Why not? Court orders such treatments all the time in exchange of lighter sentences.
 

Balt

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And while in jail:

1. Give them little training so they can find a job on release.
2. Cut how much is spent to treat addictions

Really sets folks up for success post release.

Therein lies the problem with private prisons. It is in their best interest for people to be sent back. It is also in their best interest for mandatory minimum sentences to be as strict and as lengthy as possible, and they spend a lot of money lobbying to pursue that goal. Taxpayers foot the bill.

But you don't have to take my word for it. Just look at the stock price of the CCA. Formerly known as Corrections Corporation of America, now calling themselves CoreCivic. It's really had a nice turnaround since November of 2016 for some reason.
 

Jhhnn

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Privatized prisons are an abomination shot through with perverse incentives. Which explains why Sessions & Repub politicians in general really love 'em.

Think of the prison industrial complex as a jobs program, with being a prisoner the shittiest job of all.
 

bshole

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Remember the jealousy of west and east coast college educated liberals complaining about how some barely high school educated hick union worker in the midwest as well as elsewhere had equal or better pay and benefits than them, they were loving it when those free trade agreements as well as the Reagan Amnesty broke the unions and the pay of those deplorables while at the same time giving those college educated ivory tower elites not just their cheap prices but their self esteem back.

I don't remember that all. As a matter of fact this is the very first time I have ever heard such a thing. Where are you getting this information? I grew up in hard core conservative family and we were brainwashed to hate unions. Democrats were demonized by my parents due to their support of unions.

You are posting something that is apparently untrue.

Ever since industrial unions worked to reelect President Franklin Roosevelt in 1936, organized labor and the Democratic Party have worked together in U.S. politics. Unions provide votes, money, and volunteer time, and Democrats offer policy benefits when they take office.


http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/alliance-us-labor-unions-and-democratic-party
 
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interchange

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Why not? Court orders such treatments all the time in exchange of lighter sentences.

Not exactly the same thing. But drug courts are quite good and a big piece of that is contingency of treatment for someone's freedom. That can be done with vivitrol too, and I would be in big favor of it. But we need to beef up availability of drug court and treatments. And you couldn't mandate someone to get the shot; you could give them a choice, though, between treatment or prison.
 

ch33zw1z

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMHT0011329/?report=details

Description says it's not a cure for addiction.

Prices' statements are lies and gross exaggerations.

It blocks the feeling you get from a drug like heroin. And if someone decides to use heroin while taking this, they're likely to consume to much opiate and overdose trying to get that high feeling. But many judgemental people are fine with that.

There's no magic pill for recovery folks.

Also works for alcohol, since there far more alcoholics than opiate addicts, let's start with that and see how it goes.
 
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Puffnstuff

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Son of a bitch...now I need to go fire up "I am the law" by Anthrax...

Fifteen years in the academy
He was like no cadet they'd ever seen
A man so hard, his veins bleed ice
And when he speaks he never says it twice
They call him Judge, his last name is Dredd
So break the law, and you may wind up dead
Truth and justice are what he's fighting for
Judge Dredd the man, he is the law
DROKK IT

With his gun and bike he rules the streets
And every perp he meets will taste defeat
Not even Death can overcome his might
Cause Dredd and Anderson, they won the fight
When the Sov's started the Apocalypse war
And Mega-city was bombed to the floor
Dredd resisted, and the judges fought back
And crushed the Sov's with their counter-attack
DROKK IT

[PRE-CHORUS:]
Respect the badge - he earned it with his blood
Fear the gun - your sentence may be death
because ...

[CHORUS:]
I AM THE LAW
And you won't fuck around no more - I AM THE LAW
I judge the rich, I judge the poor - I AM THE LAW
Commit a crime I'll lock the door - I AM THE LAW
Because in Mega-City ...
I AM THE LAW

In the cursed earth where mutants dwell
There is no law, it's just a living hell
Anarchy and chaos as the blood runs red
But this would change if it was up to Dredd
The book of law is the bible to him
And any crime committed is a sin
He keeps the peace whith his law-giver
Judge, jury, and executioner
DROKK IT

[REPEAT PRE-CHORUS]
[REPEAT CHORUS]


[BRIDGE:]
CRIME - the ultimate sin
Your Iso-Cube is waiting when he brings you in
LAW - it's what he stands for
Crime's his only enemy and he's going to war
Just as soon as I saw that map Judge Dredd came to mind and then the very next post was yours.:p