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War is apon us: We will be at war in about 72 hours

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Mallow

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Well, we are finally going in there to get the sack of scum that is Saddam. We will finally relieve the oppression of the Iraqi people, we will disarm him and we will remove the terrorist threat stemming from Iraq. All good bull if you ask me. We will crush Iraq's military effort and we will not let a country like France, who is more anti-American than pro peace, stand in our way. I'm glad we are moving forward to get this whole ordeal over with.

We have also proved the worthlessness of the UN since one country (France) has stated it would never sign a referendum mandating war no matter what the circumstances would be. This to me is comical and proof of France's sad effort to get back to the top of international politics in a crude way.

Flame away, I am done 🙂
 
Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards
How is killing innocent civilians "liberating" them?
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When we "liberated" France in WWII, I'm quite confident that we killed some innocent French civilians. That didn't take away from the fact that we were in fact liberating the French people from the Nazis. The same can potentially be said about Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards
How is killing innocent civilians "liberating" them?
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We may not have to kill many civilians or troops....................CNN just reported troops are massing at the Kuwaiti border waiting for the chance to surrender and as many "civilians" as can are fleeing Baghdad to avoid the air war.

 
Let no one say we didn't give them a chance. Saddam Hussein could save thousands of his people's lives and avoid a war just by stepping down. In doing so he could even save face, and be known over there as the man who averted war, a hero to his people. Of course, Saddam is so power hungry that he won't do it. But he does have the chance.

If he were smart he would step down tomorrow, hop on a flight to North Korea, and spend the rest of his days giving lectures to North Koreans on the ways of the evil Americans.

But I really feel that we are going to have to go in to Iraq and take him out. And that suits me just fine. I just hope our brave soldiers don't incur many losses in the process.
 
Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards
How is killing innocent civilians "liberating" them?
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OMG, you are a victim of liberal TV propaganda! The UN has records stating over 5000 Iraqis die each month from starvation and various other ailments each month! Trust me, the US isn't going to be killing 200,000+ civilians like the news channels are saying. Sure some will die but we are going to do our best to minimize casualties because the world?s eye will be upon us.

What might happen is Saddam could massacre thousands of his own people and blame it on the US, that is very likely!
 
We've actually been at war for about a week now. We've been hitting targets outside of the "No Fly Zone" to soften up their ADA.
 
Originally posted by: Mallow
Originally posted by: PraetorianGuards
How is killing innocent civilians "liberating" them?
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OMG, you are a victim of liberal TV propaganda! The UN has records stating over 5000 Iraqis die each month from starvation and various other ailments each month! Trust me, the US isn't going to be killing 200,000+ civilians like the news channels are saying. Sure some will die but we are going to do our best to minimize casualties because the world?s eye will be upon us.

What might happen is Saddam could massacre thousands of his own people and blame it on the US, that is very likely!
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OMG, you are a victim of conservative TV propaganda! 10,000 Americans die from starvation and various other ailments each DAY!

*note: various other ailments include hart attack, cancer, car accidents, murder, old age, etc...
 
Either way you look at it, pro war or anti war, one thing that is going to be an unfortunate consequence of this war is that there will be Civilian Casualties. Smart bombs blah blah blah, they still kill civilians. War is war, this is not another Kosovo or even Gulf War 1. We are entering into a soverign state and removing its government. That government will do everything in its power to survive. Yes it is true that a large number of Iraqi troops are terrified and are likely to surrender the second they get the chance. The only reason most of them are even in the military is because they were forced to join or be shot.

Unfortunately the Republican guard are a different story. They are much better trained and are far more loyal to Saddam. He knows this, and has pulled them back to Baghdad. The mass exodus of people from Baghdad is not actually very likely Im afraid. Saddam is a survivor, and he knows that the only way to prolong that survival is to force the US to be perceived as commiting acts of atrocity. Such as large civilian casualties. The republican guard have been ordered to pull back into the streets of Baghdad and force close quarter fighting. Doesn't matter how many smart bombs you have when he does that. You are going to have to go in and force them out. Im not suggesting for a second that The republican guard stand a rats ass chance of beating off American tanks, but they will make things ugly for the prying eyes of the media. Although they aren't likely to have much luck their either. Their was practically a total lockdown of the media in the last gulf war. Ever wonder why we tended to only see pictures of smart bombs etcc... America learnt from Vietnam not to let the press have a free reign. The UK and the US will not allow the media to screw this war up for them any more than the UN.

One interesting point, Lawyers are having trouble proving that the war is legal based on resolution 1441. Not a huge problem for the US who refused to sign up to the international criminal court as it currently stands. Not wanting to risk its troops beeing hauled up and held to account for crimes alleged during peace keeping missions. But the UK on the other hand signed into it with all the current legislation, which means that although ludicrously unlikely, that Tony Blair or british millitary commanders could at some point in the future be brought to the court for alleged war crimes should things go wrong. I don't think for a second that that would happen, but it does pose the problem of hypocrisy again, how can we convince countries such as yugoslavia to hand over alleged war criminals to the hague, when our own leaders don't even follow the same rules.

To any soldiers out there who are preparing to go fight this war. I hope you have a safe return.
 
I don't think Britain will be commiting any troops to the US lead strike. Most British citizens are against the war and Blair is planning on only submitting a "Support Resolution" to the British Parliment. They aren't actually going to help so I don't think they will have to worry about war crimes but good point.
 
Well I guess it is obvious who won the poll ^_^ I thought anandtech'ers were super-anti war for some odd reason.
 
Originally posted by: Mallow
Well I guess it is obvious who won the poll ^_^ I thought anandtech'ers were super-anti war for some odd reason.
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We are speaking of the same AT right?
 
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