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WaPo: Trump asking about powers to pardon aides/family/self

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mikeymikec said:
Is it just me or have most of the Trump supporting regulars here seemed to have found other things to do lately, possibly since Trump Jr's admission?
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Well I guess that there's a few possibilities for that, some good and some bad.

They could just have reached the same conclusions about Trump as everyone else but they just needed more time to get there and now they just don't want people crowing at them. Which is fair enough really.

That's a good thing.


They could be circling the wagons and getting fully in the bubble and avoiding any media which is saying things that they don't like.

That's a bad thing.

Some of them have realised that trolling about it was actually pretty self defeating and was probably working the wrong way around (from their perspective).

That's just a thing.
 
If Trump pardons his associates and fires Mueller the only course of action is his removal from office. Anything short of that and you have a situation where the president has shown he and his staff can engage in criminal activity and then avoid any accountability for it.

Is anyone particularly confident the Republicans would do that? I'm not. I hope they would, but I'm not sure.
 
WelshBloke said:
Well I guess that there's a few possibilities for that, some good and some bad.

They could just have reached the same conclusions about Trump as everyone else but they just needed more time to get there and now they just don't want people crowing at them. Which is fair enough really.

That's a good thing.


They could be circling the wagons and getting fully in the bubble and avoiding any media which is saying things that they don't like.

That's a bad thing.

Some of them have realised that trolling about it was actually pretty self defeating and was probably working the wrong way around (from their perspective).

That's just a thing.
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None of those reasons.

I have made a choice to keep my comments to minimum as of late. Because no matter what anyone says on the forums if it doesn't toe the leftist line they get picked apart by others inserting meaning that is out of context to what was actually stated in the post. Then getting abused by all of the many lefty lunatics that have bought into the unproven talking points of the day and innuendo. It is almost like a case of mass hysteria.
 
pcgeek11 said:
None of those reasons.

I have made a choice to keep my comments to minimum as of late. Because no matter what anyone says on the forums if it doesn't toe the leftist line they get picked apart by others inserting meaning that is out of context to what was actually stated in the post. Then getting abused by all of the many lefty lunatics that have bought into the unproven talking points of the day and innuendo. It is almost like a case of mass hysteria.
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I don't think that the dislike for Trump comes just from the left. I know a lot of rightish people who dislike him greatly because of his vulgarity, dishonesty and general idiocy.

Defending a lot of Trumps actions and character go far beyond party lines unless you ascribe his character to all those on the right (which I absolutely don't).
 
pcgeek11 said:
None of those reasons.

I have made a choice to keep my comments to minimum as of late. Because no matter what anyone says on the forums if it doesn't toe the leftist line they get picked apart by others inserting meaning that is out of context to what was actually stated in the post. Then getting abused by all of the many lefty lunatics that have bought into the unproven talking points of the day and innuendo. It is almost like a case of mass hysteria.
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Far enough, cupcake.
 
Couple thoughts. First wow.

2nd any pardon is an admission of guilt and you're apparently not protected by the 5th amendment anymore

3rd apparently he couldn't pardon folks if they were involved in a criminal conspiracy with him as that would be like pardoning himself. However that would probably go to SCOTUS as there isn't a legal precedent.

Ugh what's happened to this country.
 
When that pardon tsunami plows through DC and it will once Mueller gets close to his family, doesn't mean a final report can't be generated. If he fires Mueller I think even Republicans will begin impeachment. At that point not sure if Russia collusion investigation just goes away.
 
pcgeek11 said:
None of those reasons.

I have made a choice to keep my comments to minimum as of late. Because no matter what anyone says on the forums if it doesn't toe the leftist line they get picked apart by others inserting meaning that is out of context to what was actually stated in the post. Then getting abused by all of the many lefty lunatics that have bought into the unproven talking points of the day and innuendo. It is almost like a case of mass hysteria.
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The problem is picking apart happens if you don't follow the logic line. Ignoring facts and retorting with "oh you are just a lefty" requires using a little more intellectual heft. Its a tough task because you support someone who doesn't see reality. Its hard to justify the existence of purple unicorns.
 
UberNeuman said:
Which is something that "progressives" should understand - there's a core group of people willing to burn everything down, not willing to preserve, not caring about anything else other than punishment and retribution. These people will never be reached and willfully do everything in order of stopping progress.... And they can't stop progress, so what happens then?
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It took the South over 100 years to accept (through some libtard federal intervention) that slavery was abolished. It may take that long to undue the self induced brainwashing and paranoid delusions some of these Trumptards have signed up for.

pcgeek11 said:
None of those reasons.

I have made a choice to keep my comments to minimum as of late. Because no matter what anyone says on the forums if it doesn't toe the leftist line they get picked apart by others inserting meaning that is out of context to what was actually stated in the post. Then getting abused by all of the many lefty lunatics that have bought into the unproven talking points of the day and innuendo. It is almost like a case of mass hysteria.
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Deflection and name calling. By the party so sensitive they couldn't deal with Obama's reign of terror which included a debate on Healthcare, his wife's transgenderism and his Muslim connection. Plus he was taking away all your guns. Black traitor!! Trump gets a free pass, no smoke or fire from him and his shady associates. Nothing to see here, move along libtards.
 
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So if I understand correctly...Pardons are only for federal crimes. He is (or his brood are) not immune to state prosecution. So my question is...say Mueller digs up a ton of dirt on Trump that are done in the state of NY. Is there anything preventing Mueller from picking up the phone to a state office and saying "Yo, I got an office full of incriminating stuff on Trump. You interested?" And then handing over to the state to pursue.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
None of those reasons.

I have made a choice to keep my comments to minimum as of late. Because no matter what anyone says on the forums if it doesn't toe the leftist line they get picked apart by others inserting meaning that is out of context to what was actually stated in the post. Then getting abused by all of the many lefty lunatics that have bought into the unproven talking points of the day and innuendo. It is almost like a case of mass hysteria.
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Always the victim
 
pcgeek11 said:
None of those reasons.

I have made a choice to keep my comments to minimum as of late. Because no matter what anyone says on the forums if it doesn't toe the leftist line they get picked apart by others inserting meaning that is out of context to what was actually stated in the post. Then getting abused by all of the many lefty lunatics that have bought into the unproven talking points of the day and innuendo. It is almost like a case of mass hysteria.
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well, stop being a snowflake 😀 😉
 
vi edit said:
So if I understand correctly...Pardons are only for federal crimes. He is (or his brood are) not immune to state prosecution. So my question is...say Mueller digs up a ton of dirt on Trump that are done in the state of NY. Is there anything preventing Mueller from picking up the phone to a state office and saying "Yo, I got an office full of incriminating stuff on Trump. You interested?" And then handing over to the state to pursue.
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Eric Schneiderman from NY would be all over this. At that point the Trumps would leave the country. Putin would take them in.

The power to pardon applies only to offenses against the laws of the jurisdiction of which the pardoning official is the chief executive. Thus the president may only pardon for violations of federal law, and governors may only pardon for violations of the laws of their states.
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why need a pardon?
thought he said he can kill someone and nothing will ever happen. i believe it too seeing what has been going on 6months in! insane
 
vi edit said:
So if I understand correctly...Pardons are only for federal crimes. He is (or his brood are) not immune to state prosecution. So my question is...say Mueller digs up a ton of dirt on Trump that are done in the state of NY. Is there anything preventing Mueller from picking up the phone to a state office and saying "Yo, I got an office full of incriminating stuff on Trump. You interested?" And then handing over to the state to pursue.
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TBH I'm not sure that prosecution would be the best thing for your country. If he and his brood agree to leave politics quickly and quietly that would probably be the less damaging route.

Problem is that I very much doubt that Trump could keep his trap shut after leaving.
 
I just find it funny that Trump can't even take a small amount of the scrutiny the Clinton's have undergone, and this coming from a guy with the torch and pitchfork with everything Clinton and Obama.
 
Uhtrinity said:
I just find it funny that Trump can't even take a small amount of the scrutiny the Clinton's have undergone, and this coming from a guy with the torch and pitchfork with everything Clinton and Obama.
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He's narcissistic in the extreme, of course, but I think this particular reaction is because he came to the presidency believing that he could run it like his business: what he says goes, and everyone else is in service to him. In government, however, there are things that are beyond the President's reach, and that drives him nuts -- what, you mean I can't cover up crimes by firing everyone investigating them?
 
vi edit said:
So if I understand correctly...Pardons are only for federal crimes. He is (or his brood are) not immune to state prosecution. So my question is...say Mueller digs up a ton of dirt on Trump that are done in the state of NY. Is there anything preventing Mueller from picking up the phone to a state office and saying "Yo, I got an office full of incriminating stuff on Trump. You interested?" And then handing over to the state to pursue.
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If it comes down to that, I surely hope he does. I don't think there is any legal reason why he could not.
 
Trump can pardon anybody including himself. There are plenty of conservative legal "experts" and judges who will support his authority to do whatever the F he wants at all times. Just check your most recent Dershowitz clip on CNN, according to him the President is literally immune to all laws and the only way to remove him is impeachment. So legally, according to Dershowitz (and probably other GOP DOJ shills), Trump could threaten the whole senate individually to personally murder each and any one of them if they vote for impeachment, and it wouldn't be illegal nor could he face any consequences... except through impeachment. Never mind that he is threatening to kill them all if they impeach, he's the President. He can do things because constitution doesn't explicitly say he can't.


This country's absurd legal standards and frankly, legal minds are going to destroy the union.

*It's a good thing* - martha stewart voice
 
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