WaPo op piece: Progressives can’t be trusted with Medicare-for-all

[K1052]

Fuck that. If the Democrats can secure the Senate and the presidency in 2020 then job one should be nuking the filibuster and passing medicare for all (which enjoys 70% support) and taxes on the income of wealthy people/companies in the same package.

How many states have actually undone their Medicaid expansion? None even though Rs are screwing around with work requirements in a few places. The only way to move forward is to go all out and burn the political ships. There will certainly be MANY issues that need working out but if going back isn't an option they will be.

 

[soulcougher73]

If only we had hundreds of countries to look at to figure out what they do.

 

[brycejones]

If only we had hundreds of countries to look at to figure out what they do.

But those are all commie countries. There is no MAGA to be found there.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have a toddler I can ask. She understands the elements of health care about as woll as any politician.

Too much ignorance for anyone to take care over and a hell of a lot of DK in play. I'd be for real reform not led by greed or well intended ignorance.

Wake me then.

 

[hal2kilo]

I never said it was factual. The title is clearly an opinion. No did I ever say I’m a conservative. The guy is an employee of WaPo who writes opinion pieces, where did I say otherwise.

Whatever you say bub.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Anyone know what the author's opinion is on a solution to our healthcare crisis? Is it just there might not be a perfect solution so we should just hope and pray?

 

[brycejones]

Anyone know what the author's opinion is on a solution to our healthcare crisis? Is it just there might not be a perfect solution so we should just just hope and pray?

The only godly solution is to limit healthcare to those that can pay out of pocket. For those people have been truely blessed by the lord. People who can't afford health care are clearly bad people and not blessed therefore they aren't deserving of health care. This is what money Jesus would do.

 

[Meghan54]

Anyone know what the author's opinion is on a solution to our healthcare crisis? Is it just there might not be a perfect solution so we should just hope and pray?

Essentially, that's the solution conservatives seem to have for every malady/problem/concern in our country.....if proposed solutions don't completely fix the problem immediately, why try anything at all since the solution won't universally fix everything right now.

Stupidity, but that seems to be the rationale cons seem to use over and over and over to deny trying something/anything to at least begin actually addressing issues like health care. Can't fix it all in one fell swoop, so don't do anything at all.

 

[Stokely]

Nobody in government should be "trusted" blindly.

Fact is, our medical system and insurance industry has major flaws (for we the payers at least, for some it's a gravy train). It's not like this is a unique issue for the USA. We as a country won't even look at what's being done elsewhere because it's "socialism"--meanwhile we pay more for less than any industrialized country.

There's no perfect system but we could at least look at good points from other systems. Being "America first" we have to go it alone and our own way, even if it sucks...because "freedom" I guess.

 

[Engineer]

Opinions vary.

 

[Paratus]

Why would it not be? If you disagree with the opinion feel free to discuss, is that not why we come here? You seem helbent on diverting discussion away from the topic at hand for some reason.

I don’t agree with the opinion writers preferred policy of increasing health care costs, bankruptcy, health care rationing and increasing death of citizens from preventable diseases.

The writer comes across as someone whose bright idea to rein in spending is to stop payments on their credit card.

I’m very concerned that this is the level of thought in the conservative sphere at the moment. It’s concerning that Conservatism is being failed by such writers and the people who laud them.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If Democrats are all about fiscal responsibility (lol) they should be all for PAYGO, no?

Don't DUH-vert my post and talk about conservatives. Throw them under the bus too - that doesn't mean you get to take the high road. You're on the same low-road of fiscal irresponsibility.

 

[HomerJS]

I notice the OP is so concerned about the budget he is willing to piss away 30B on Trump's vanity wall.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I notice the OP is so concerned about the budget he is willing to piss away 30B on Trump's vanity wall.

Okay you do realize... $30b is literally a drop in the bucket of our budget, right? Just making you aware since you're bordering on IQ levels of the mentally handicapped.

 

[fskimospy]

If Democrats are all about fiscal responsibility (lol) they should be all for PAYGO, no?

I think it’s pretty hard to argue against Democrats being the party of fiscal responsibility. The proof is in the pudding and they proved it last time they had the chance. In 2008 they engaged in stimulative deficit spending that helped lower our long term debt/GDP ratio. When it came time to create a policy intended to last for an indefinite period (the ACA) they ensured it was entirely paid for.

What’s that if not fiscal responsibility?

Don't DUH-vert my post and talk about conservatives. Throw them under the bus too - that doesn't mean you get to take the high road. You're on the same low-road of fiscal irresponsibility.

The argument here is basically that if Republicans have no interest in fiscal responsibility maybe Democrats shouldn’t prioritize it either. I’m not saying it’s a good idea, but someone needs to get Republicans to start acting more responsibly. Perhaps a symmetric threat would do that.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Again, diversion and thread derailment. What is your opinion on the actual topic?

This thread was an attempt at diversion and derailment and people can see through your bullshit. And your attempt to frame it as though it was a Washington Post editorial and not an op-ed and then your thinly veiled "what, I don't get it, he works for the Washington Post, how is that not the same?" shows you're either hugely dishonest or quite a dumbshit (no wonder you bitch about the media, you don't understand basic aspects, you're basically the living embodiment of the people that said TV was going to turn everyone into morons). Functionally it doesn't matter and I assume you're both anyway.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I have a toddler I can ask. She understands the elements of health care about as woll as any politician.

Too much ignorance for anyone to take care over and a hell of a lot of DK in play. I'd be for real reform not led by greed or well intended ignorance.

Wake me then.

Ah, so public funded healthcare is all just "well intended ignorance" and you're mad that no one can provide you with an option other than private and public funded health care? Sounds like your toddler probably knows more about this than you do as well. But since you've been asleep, not sure why you expected any different?

This seems more like your "I can't support Democrats because I don't even know what they stand for!" bullshit (where it was simply you actively were refusing to bother learning that, I've pointed several times how you can literally find it on the DNC's website - including breakouts of what each point is so its not just a talking point with no idea or plan behind it), where you're dismissing the substantial amount of thoroughly discussed options, so that you don't have to actually bother learning, but can keep dismissing it all as "politics are all bad, politicians are all stupid idiots" nonsense. At this point the ignorance is on you and you need to address it yourself.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ah, so public funded healthcare is all just "well intended ignorance" and you're mad that no one can provide you with an option other than private and public funded health care? Sounds like your toddler probably knows more about this than you do as well. But since you've been asleep, not sure why you expected any different?

This seems more like your "I can't support Democrats because I don't even know what they stand for!" bullshit (where it was simply you actively were refusing to bother learning that, I've pointed several times how you can literally find it on the DNC's website - including breakouts of what each point is so its not just a talking point with no idea or plan behind it), where you're dismissing the substantial amount of thoroughly discussed options, so that you don't have to actually bother learning, but can keep dismissing it all as "politics are all bad, politicians are all stupid idiots" nonsense. At this point the ignorance is on you and you need to address it yourself.

I understand you don't understand. Oh, been a health care provider dealing with the good and the bad for a few decades and have posted how to go about having real reform that's outside your limited ability. There's no use in informing you because your god has spoken.

So why don't you tell us how you'll fix the health care infrastructure? Surely you know what the researched most beneficial act that can be done to maximize the benefits of an office visit? Surely you understand the basics.

I'll let you rant like a Republican who knows Trump is an expert in everything. There are things that government can do to facilitate the creation of a unified and superior system, but don't want those. Stop being a Trumpette.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If government (state nor federal) can' effectively (or efficiently) run a DMV or a social security office, the concept of running a health facility is rather hilarious.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If only we had hundreds of countries to look at to figure out what they do.

Yeah I mean, just look at all those US citizens flying to those countries for their innovative cancer treatments.

Oh wait.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

 

[Jhhnn]

If government (state nor federal) can' effectively (or efficiently) run a DMV or a social security office, the concept of running a health facility is rather hilarious.

Well, yeh, except our govt actually does those things rather well.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yeah I mean, just look at all those US citizens flying to those countries for their innovative cancer treatments.

Oh wait.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

Oh, wait

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...united-states-for-medical-care/?noredirect=on

 

[zinfamous]

If government (state nor federal) can' effectively (or efficiently) run a DMV or a social security office, the concept of running a health facility is rather hilarious.

this makes no fucking sense.

 

[Jaskalas]

this makes no fucking sense.

Easy to suspect that post was supposed to read "can't". As in the government has failed to effectively run, X, Y, or Z. So of course it is hilarious that we expect to do more, or to do better. The argument makes sense, it's just horribly wrong. One, by being detached from reality by proclaiming a problem where there is none. Second, by acting like we have a choice in solving issues like Healthcare.

You want Republicans to believe in public services, and public money, just ask them if they want to lose their Medicare and Social Security.
Ain't that right, @s0me0nesmind1 ?

 

[Paratus]

Me personally, I’m disappointed that @UglyCasanova, after complaining that no one was addressing his OP, has failed to address my critique of the opinion piece.