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WaPo & ATP&N exposes pure hypocrisy of GOP base

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Related: Both Democrats and Republicans shift viewpoints when Trump is involved. Sometimes the shift is massive.

https://www.rt.com/usa/383778-trump-effect-opinion-statements/

Reuters/Ipsos polled 14,000 people from February 1 to March 15, asking them to consider “a series of statements” on a variety of topics, including taxes, crime, the mainstream media and more. The remarks were all based on statements the president made on the campaign trail, but half of the respondents “did not know that the statements came from Trump.” We’ll call this the “blind” group.

In the blind group, 22 percent of Democrats and 33 percent of Republicans said they didn’t care if a government official profited from their position. However, in the other group, 28 percent of Democrats and a full 70 percent of Republicans said that Trump should be able to profit from his position.
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fskimospy said:
More importantly (you would think) would be that these people don't seem interested in reflecting on why they have changed their opinions so radically despite no significant change in the situation other than what party controls the presidency. They routinely call others liars, hacks, etc and don't seem to notice that they're doing everything they accuse other people of. It's not like this is an isolated case either.
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There are endless ways to rationalize, pretty much anything. You saw PC Geek's pathetically illogical attempt to to do in relation to his fellow conservatives. When his own was pointed out, he then bailed. Just like DSF. The bulk of conservatives are totally beyond reason these days. They are unreachable. IMO the only thing that can change this is for conservatives to get their way for a limited time, and have it be a total disaster for the country. Then they may just quiet down even though they'll never admit they were wrong. This is why the election of Trump may not be as bad a thing as some liberals think.

People are weird, they prize tribal identity over facts, I imagine that's what's happening in this case. The question I have now though is why tribal identity is so much stronger among conservatives than among liberals?
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No tribalism at all among dems was shown here. Exactly the same mix of opinions now as then. It's quite a stark contrast.
 
ivwshane said:
Fuck you, you god damn liar.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...n-syria-is-path-to-war.2223221/#post-32934670

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ndsey-graham-say.2227571/page-2#post-33034094

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/#post-35148500

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/page-2#post-35151151

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/page-2#post-35151291

Once Obama was denied by Congress is when your tune changed. You are such a partisan hack!
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lol @pcGeek best get a new name...

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ivwshane said:
Fuck you, you god damn liar.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...n-syria-is-path-to-war.2223221/#post-32934670

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ndsey-graham-say.2227571/page-2#post-33034094

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/#post-35148500

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/page-2#post-35151151

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4-000-troops-to-aid-bashar-al-assad’s-forces-in-syria.2325663/page-2#post-35151291

Once Obama was denied by Congress is when your tune changed. You are such a partisan hack!
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WELL DONE! I'm still giggling! You do own the internets AND pcgeek! Cult45's be intentionally and gratefully brainwashed. *Sigh*
 
woolfe9998 said:
There are endless ways to rationalize, pretty much anything. You saw PC Geek's pathetically illogical attempt to to do in relation to his fellow conservatives. When his own was pointed out, he then bailed. Just like DSF. The bulk of conservatives are totally beyond reason these days. They are unreachable. IMO the only thing that can change this is for conservatives to get their way for a limited time, and have it be a total disaster for the country. Then they may just quiet down even though they'll never admit they were wrong. This is why the election of Trump may not be as bad a thing as some liberals think.
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Unfortunately I think this is an excessively optimistic take on things. I mean not that long ago we had an extended period of conservative governance under GWB that ended in total, unmitigated catastrophe in basically every way imaginable. After a meltdown of epic proportions how long did we have unified Democratic governance for? Two years. How long until conservatives were shouting loudly about how great conservatism was again? About two months. Conservatism should have been discredited for a generation after that. Instead conservatives just decided that the financial crisis was the fault of the government and liberals and kept on going.

No tribalism at all among dems was shown here. Exactly the same mix of opinions now as then. It's quite a stark contrast.
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I agree! I think there's some aspect of it that is present in just about everyone but the amount of tribalism among liberals is far, far lower than among conservatives at this point. Maybe it's because there's no corresponding media and thought bubble on the left in the same way that there is on the right.
 
I see pcdipshit has run afoul of the forum's search function, again.

How many times does this dishonest coward of a troll need to prove he's full of shit before you guys start ignoring him?

As woolfe mentioned, you are wasting time on a poster with the DSF affliction.
 
fskimospy said:
Unfortunately I think this is an excessively optimistic take on things. I mean not that long ago we had an extended period of conservative governance under GWB that ended in total, unmitigated catastrophe in basically every way imaginable. After a meltdown of epic proportions how long did we have unified Democratic governance for? Two years. How long until conservatives were shouting loudly about how great conservatism was again? About two months. Conservatism should have been discredited for a generation after that. Instead conservatives just decided that the financial crisis was the fault of the government and liberals and kept on going.
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I think the potential damage of Trump is far, far worse than Bush. There is a non-negligible chance of Trump causing a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula. Trump may also get impeached for something akin to treason. Or who knows what else. Conservatives won't stop supporting him but they will become demoralized. Independents could revolt against the GOP en masse, depending on how bad it is.

Ah, you're probably right though about my over optimism. The trouble isn't just conservatives. It's that Americans have short memories.

I agree! I think there's some aspect of it that is present in just about everyone but the amount of tribalism among liberals is far, far lower than among conservatives at this point. Maybe it's because there's no corresponding media and thought bubble on the left in the same way that there is on the right.
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There isn't a corresponding bubble because there isn't as strong a demand for one on the left as there is on the right. Conservatives are motivated by fear of loss and this gives them a bunker mentality. It's an essential difference between the two world views.
 
crashtech said:
What gets lost among the echoes of fun and ridicule is that personal attacks don't discredit ideologies.
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The problem is that with certain ideologies *cough*conservatives*cough* no amount of facts or truth or even their own words will change their ideology. Every conservative nowadays lives in an Orwellian world where they believe the lies of their masters unflinchingly.
Grooveriding said:
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WaPo & ATP&N exposes pure hypocrisy of GOP base
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HAHAHA. Fucking perfect!
 
Republicans are bad people and will attack their opponents with whatever weapons they can get their hands on at the time, also, they never do anything wrong. And when they do the same exact thing they attacked someone for its ok. cuz i can do no wrong everyone is bad but me.
 
LPCTech said:
Republicans are bad people and will attack their opponents with whatever weapons they can get their hands on at the time, also, they never do anything wrong. And when they do the same exact thing they attacked someone for its ok. cuz i can do no wrong everyone is bad but me.
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pretty cool world to live in. God is on your side, the founding fathers are on your side and white is right. So simple its perfect for the small mind.
 
thraashman said:
The problem is that with certain ideologies *cough*conservatives*cough* no amount of facts or truth or even their own words will change their ideology. Every conservative nowadays lives in an Orwellian world where they believe the lies of their masters unflinchingly.
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"Every," huh? I guess that's a great way to close yourself off to debate. I wonder if you can see a hint of irony in your own words?
 
 
crashtech said:
"Every," huh? I guess that's a great way to close yourself off to debate. I wonder if you can see a hint of irony in your own words?
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Life ain't actually fair or balanced as it turns out.

If you want to trip over political generalizations, have fun. Or you could address the point, which is that party over country is dangerous and this is exactly why.
 
crashtech said:
"Every," huh? I guess that's a great way to close yourself off to debate. I wonder if you can see a hint of irony in your own words?
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I've personally never seen a righty change their opinion unless they have been directly negatively impacted by policies supported by the right. For example, people on the right who support gay marriage typically know/have a loved one that is gay.

I also don't think that holding thraashmans opinion means he's not open to debate with others that hold different opinions.
 
ivwshane said:
I've personally never seen a righty change their opinion unless they have been directly negatively impacted by policies supported by the right. For example, people on the right who support gay marriage typically know/have a loved one that is gay.

I also don't think that holding thraashmans opinion means he's not open to debate with others that hold different opinions.
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I think this entire thread is a counterproductive way of behaving. It's illustrative of one of the reasons why I don't want to participate more in discussions here. Mob rule and the dehumanization of your ideological opponent is not the mark of the enlightened.
 
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