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gejodi

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I think ive actually fallen assleep at the monitor ..just reading these forums :].......Anyway I was going to purchase a Dell XPS 700 ...but the people at Dell couldnt actually provide me with the manufacturer of their motherboard as they tell me they use 5. That along with not being able to get exactly I want ....pushes me to build my own....Scary.

Never did this before but I have computer savy and work as something of a tech. I am in need of a new computer and have about 5k to spend. In light of direct x 10 being the next gen....I have put together the following list for a review ...if you guys care to :].

case: Coller Master Stacker 830
cpu: Core 2 Duo extreme 6800 ( I wont wait for Quad as I believe that by the time he game industry catches up ...this computer will be outdated.
psu: Silverstone sst-st852f 850 watts
memory: either ocz titanium alpha vx2 2-gb...or
patriot pc2-8000 ddr2 2-gb
mb-evga 122cknf68 nForce 680i socket 775
gpu: 768 p2 n831 ar 8800gtx by evga
hdd: 2 wd 10k rpm 150 gb raptors
sc: creative xfi xtreme
optical: 2 nec nd 3550a dvd /cd players


I know im missing some things ...like im not sure on fans for cooling this rig....I dont think I want to go with water cooled....somehow I envision a leak and a lot of smoke.

I do mostly Music composition and am really into gaming.

Can you guru's help a guy out???

What do you think of this build and can I improve ...or sub to lower cost? Any help would be welcomed

Gejodi
 
This is what I would go with:
Lian li pc 101
Same psu as you have... its a very good one!
gskill HZ ddr2-1000
c2d e6600
2x8800gtx
dell 3007fpw
Razer Tarantula
Logitech g7
logitech z5450
XP home (or vista premium)
the rest is pretty good.
TOTAL: $4815

On the cooling: you will want some top notch choices if you're not getting water cooling, so the lian li case is awesome, and get a sunbeam tuniq tower @svc for $55.

EDIT: Of course, water cooling isn't that difficult. There are great pre-built kits that are easy to work with. That is my recommendation.
 
Thanks Ace.....performance wise...I guess you dont think the extreme 6800 is worth the cash? Also never gave a lot of thought to water cooled...you dont see it to be a concern? What kit would you recommend?

From reading the link I guess I should do some more research on the PS??


Gejodi
 
I'd suggest an MCP655, 1/2" tubing, Apogee, Maze4s (Maybe 5s when they come), And a 120.2 rad.
 
Originally posted by: gejodi

cpu: Core 2 Duo extreme 6800 ( I wont wait for Quad as I believe that by the time he game industry catches up ...this computer will be outdated.
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It's not much of a wait...couple weeks at most. Why would you pay about the same price for the 2 cores on the X6800 when you could have 4 on the QX6700? See AT's review conclusions here

I guess if the extra FPS in games is that important to you, it'd justify staying away from the quad, but both the X6800 and QX6700 are both a ton of $$. An E6300 (or the E6600 if you care about the slight bump from the 4mb cache) would still do pretty good for a lot less money...
 
Hey all thx for the input!!!! But.......if I give out Hugs and Kisses....will I get more responces??? :]




Gejodi
 
spending $5K on a rig is extremely excessive imho. the machine will be outdated in less than a year anyway and worth 1/3 the cost.

it appears you have done a lot of reading and picked top parts, but in reality do you really need them? probably not. are you going to o/c like mad? probably not.

for gaming any current cpu is more than adequate with the 8800gtx, even older skt939s.

if gaming is your main use i would do somthing like this -
gpu - 8800gtx
cpu - c2d 6400
m/b - some flavor of a 965 that is kentsfield compatible
ram - 2GB of what you need and will use - something with the D9 micron chips so you can o/c if you want to later (this is an area i would pay for decent ram so you can o/c later once you become more comfortable with the equipment and since the c2d cpus o/c very high)
hdd - 1x 74-150GB raptor app/os / 1x 7200.10 320GB storage - don't raid 0 the raptors - waste for home uses and you are doubling your chances of losing data
sc - since you are into audio maybe look around more at audio cards like m-audio or auzentech

going with the newest/best today is a waste as you can get 90% of the performance buying parts that are just a bit slower and cost 1/2 the amount.

also, remember that since you are now building your own, it can evolve as you like it in whatever way you want. put the $$$ where it will last - case, psu most important as you will more than likely use them for years (imho 850W is not needed, 600W is more than enough even with a decent o/c)

imho you should probably be able to build this rig for ~$1500. don't spend $5K on a computer!!!!!
 
I totally support your decison to buy what you want with your money. After all, it is your money and if you have set aside 5K for a build, then go with the best that is out there now. I wouldn't listen to someone telling you what to do with your money.

The only thing that I would change would be your PSU. Bump that up to a 1K, but everything else looks great. Water cooling can be a pain in the ass, so I would tell you to stick with air cooling. I of course would recommend a Lian Li, but cases are a personal choice-so go with what you have and enjoy it to the max.
 
I agree with BOB, and he did a nice job outlining the rational so I don't have much to add.

I'd just save the money or spend it on something else, or a really nice LCD or something.
 
Originally posted by: gejodi
I think ive actually fallen assleep at the monitor ..just reading these forums :].......Anyway I was going to purchase a Dell XPS 700 ...but the people at Dell couldnt actually provide me with the manufacturer of their motherboard as they tell me they use 5. That along with not being able to get exactly I want ....pushes me to build my own....Scary.

Never did this before but I have computer savy and work as something of a tech. I am in need of a new computer and have about 5k to spend. In light of direct x 10 being the next gen....I have put together the following list for a review ...if you guys care to :].

case: Coller Master Stacker 830
cpu: Core 2 Duo extreme 6800 ( I wont wait for Quad as I believe that by the time he

game industry catches up ...this computer will be outdated.
psu: Silverstone sst-st852f 850 watts
memory: either ocz titanium alpha vx2 2-gb...or
patriot pc2-8000 ddr2 2-gb
mb-evga 122cknf68 nForce 680i socket 775
gpu: 768 p2 n831 ar 8800gtx by evga
hdd: 2 wd 10k rpm 150 gb raptors
sc: creative xfi xtreme
optical: 2 nec nd 3550a dvd /cd players


I know im missing some things ...like im not sure on fans for cooling this rig....I dont think I want to go with water cooled....somehow I envision a leak and a lot of smoke.

I do mostly Music composition and am really into gaming.

Can you guru's help a guy out???

What do you think of this build and can I improve ...or sub to lower cost? Any help would be welcomed

Gejodi
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Stay With The Stacker... The Lian Li is only 19" Deep.... it will not Accommodate your Vid Cards well.. and the Interior will be a very tight mess.........The Stacker will be much roomier.....

C2D..... Get a e6600 or Xeon 3060...... either will go over and above the extreme at 1/3 the cost.....


Power Supply is more than adequate.... Actually any good four rail 750w is more than adequate........ This will Draw around 520-580 watts Continuous A Kilowatt would be a waste.....

Unless you have other lower rated DDR 2 you will not be able to post with ANY of the Reccomended Memory. Buy something from this list.... It all hits JEDEC Specs at Lower Voltages.....and will OC to 1000 eassily.



BUFFALO Firestix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory ? Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820150054

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145168

Crucial Technology Ballistix 2GB kit (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 PC2-6400 Memory ? Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80061-9

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065

Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220174

SUPER TALENT 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820609026

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=T800UX2GC4

Team Group - Team Xtreem 2 Gb Kit DDR2 (2 x 1Gb) 240-Pin DDR2-800 (PC2 6400)
http://www.tankguys.biz/ddr2-44410-800m...sCsid=f4298906ac5457e7b0b44172b58de39d

WINTEC AMPX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory ? Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820161063


As Far as Cooling : Any of those below are adequate... without putting you rig at risk....


Sunbeam Tuniq Tower 120 Copper Base CPU Cooler for Intel Socket 478, LGA775, 775/T and AMD Socket 754, 939, 940 (Retail)

http://www.xpcgear.com/tuniqtower120.html

http://www.coolerguys.com/840556021506.html

http://www.pctoys.com/840556021506.html


Scythe SCINF-1000 120mm CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink ? Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835185027

http://www.xpcgear.com/scytheinfinity.html

http://www.coolerguys.com/840556029243.html


Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU Cooling Fan - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835185038

http://www.coolerguys.com/840556035572.html




Go RAID "0" hard Drives are the BOTTLENECK OF ANY MODERN COMPUTER.......... and always have Been..... WD has special Cables for $ 10.00 that keep you from Looseing Your Array.......
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/accessories.asp?ProdID=74

I Have Never Lost an Array Using These Cables.........

Just think about a good way to back it up.... Acronis is best....



The Motherboard that you have selected is brand new.... just understand it might be quirky... until it gets a BIOS update or two....

On the Vid Cards.....You might want to Consider BFG they have better Warranty and Customer service... them and XFX.....


Good luck with your Build !!

 
This build needs alot of help do more research take your time don't rush you want to be pick out good componets rember price is a factor.
 
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Go RAID "0" hard Drives are the BOTTLENECK OF ANY MODERN COMPUTER.......... and always have Been..... WD has special Cables for $ 10.00 that keep you from Looseing Your Array.......
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/accessories.asp?ProdID=74

I Have Never Lost an Array Using These Cables.........

Just think about a good way to back it up.... Acronis is best....
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a raid 0 array is only going to help you if you are moving large files often, it does not help with all the small files for everyday computing. raid 0 does not help with seek times or latency, all it helps with is str.
 
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Go RAID "0" hard Drives are the BOTTLENECK OF ANY MODERN COMPUTER.......... and always have Been..... WD has special Cables for $ 10.00 that keep you from Looseing Your Array.......
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/accessories.asp?ProdID=74

I Have Never Lost an Array Using These Cables.........

Just think about a good way to back it up.... Acronis is best....
Click to expand...

a raid 0 array is only going to help you if you are moving large files often, it does not help with all the small files for everyday computing. raid 0 does not help with seek times or latency, all it helps with is str.
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If you noticed his primary usage was going to be Gaming, and Music Composition.....

Gaming... Requires Seamless Pagefile Access and Management, and Performance Off Of The Boot.... Being able to Boot faster than others allows you to get things, or be somewhere faster.

2 Raptors in RAID 0 will get 160-170 MBps Burst.... 120-130 MBps Average. Depending Upon the Controller.

A Single gets 105-110 MBps Burst.... 55-65 MBps Average.....


"Hard Drives Are The Bottleneck"


 
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Go RAID "0" hard Drives are the BOTTLENECK OF ANY MODERN COMPUTER.......... and always have Been..... WD has special Cables for $ 10.00 that keep you from Looseing Your Array.......
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/accessories.asp?ProdID=74

I Have Never Lost an Array Using These Cables.........

Just think about a good way to back it up.... Acronis is best....
Click to expand...

a raid 0 array is only going to help you if you are moving large files often, it does not help with all the small files for everyday computing. raid 0 does not help with seek times or latency, all it helps with is str.
Click to expand...



If you noticed his primary usage was going to be Gaming, and Music Composition.....

Gaming... Requires Seamless Pagefile Access and Management, and Performance Off Of The Boot.... Being able to Boot faster than others allows you to get things, or be somewhere faster.

2 Raptors in RAID 0 will get 160-170 MBps Burst.... 120-130 MBps Average. Depending Upon the Controller.

A Single gets 105-110 MBps Burst.... 55-65 MBps Average.....


"Hard Drives Are The Bottleneck"
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honestly, what does burst actually do for you? i am not too worried about burst speed. with my setup while gaming bf2 i am always the first one on the map followed by friends who have raptors (either single or raid), then the 7.2k crowd.

but, i was the first on the map when i had a slower 15k hdd, one that had speed around the ~60-70MB/s str and again had a burst of ~100MB/s (again, 32bit pci limited) so i would think it has more to do with access time than str, but that is just imho. with a 10K scsi i would be within the first 5 on the map.

no doubt hdds are the bottleneck, i agree with you on that but you need to see where the bottleneck is within the hdd, is it with str or seek times?
 
These are the changes I would make.

Motherboard: Abit AW9D-MAX: Solid performance and design, along with excellent cooling and legacy free back panel.
PSU: Seasonic M12: Performance and build quality is about as good as it gets. 500 watts is enough for for practically any system.
Case: Lian Li PC-A10B Any Lian Li > Coolermaster Stacker.
RAM: GeIL Ultra 2GB DDR2 800
Sound Card: M-AUDIO 9900-40906-00 M-Audio is well known and respected in the recording field.
Hard Drive: 320GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 The Raptors are simply not worth it.
 
Ok my head is spinning!!!! Thanks all for your replies and time spent helping me out!!! I have come away with the following build after research and your advice...If I can ask again if there are any concerns with this build please dont hesitate to say. I am going with air cooling and am not sure what to use as yet both for cpu and case. I am also not sure of any accessories that I might need ..or forget when I start build...please help. Here it is:

Intel E 6600 processor
evga 680i motherboard
Corsair xms2 ddr2 800 pc2 6400 2 gig
Cooler Master Stacker 830
(2) asus en8800gtx cards
(2) wd Raptors 1500 adfd.....dont think I will use raid
(2) Nec 3550A Optical dvd Drives
Monitor: Samsung 215TW 21" lcd
G-15 Keyboard
Razer copperhead mouse
Thermaltake TP WO131 RU 850w PS

What do you all think?? I want to order soon!!!!!!!!

Edit: I lft out a sound card because I have a FW Mackie Onyx 400f and am researching best combo for this pre amp and pc card.
 
If your not going to use RAID, I would use 1 Raptor as the OS/Game drive and get a Seagate 7200.10 320GB or larger for the storage drive.
 
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