Want to play F.E.A.R.?

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
This is a GITG title, one that I recall being touted as a good reason to own a R3x0 over a NV3x(along with Stalker). I also recall seeing the beta benches for HL2 being posted and the ATi crowd fall all over themselves talking about how everyone was an idiot who didn't have a R3x0 part to play the game. What exactly is any different in what Rollo is doing right now in this thread? One element is that these benches clearly show that FEAR is obviously not a very good reason to own a R3x0 part(or R420 for that matter)- another is countering all the talk about 'noone needs a $600 graphics card' and 'all games are CPU limited with any decent board today anyway'.

You want something to counter Rollo's touting of the 7800GTX then tell ATi to ship the R520 or at least get Crossfire out the door. Other then that, this was a highly hyped game bandied about in these forums for quite some time, the benches are out, and the only setup that runs it relatively decently at higher settings is the one that Rollo has.

Nothing is wrong with Rollo's logic Ben. But you and I know that Rollo has selective memory and opinion favoring Nvidia...

two wrongs don't make a right . . . touting HL2 beta benchmarks as a reason to get a 9600/9800 was wrong . . . proved way wrong . . . and touting the beta benchmarks of FEAR is still wrong as a reason to get a 7800gtx.

the real reason to get a 7800gts is 'because you want one'.

Well I'm not here to question or judge the rationality of his logic,he has every right to do that.Many ppl do it in here as well. Besides not everything in life is rational and as Ben put it sometimes we see things through a biased perspective even if we know we are wrong. But recostructing common logic to bias everytime so that it can fit your own preferences it's a valid reason for criticism. And I have agreed with Rollo many times in the past, but sometimes he's really something else....

 

[Ackmed]

How did the HL2 beta benchmark prove that it was way wrong to get a 9800? Its much faster than any FX in HL2. While you had to wait a year... not everyone buys a card every 6 months. And you got HL2 for "free" if you bought it at the right time. While I dont agree in putting much stock in beta performances, the HL2 beta benches seem pretty accurate to me. The FX cards suck in it.

 

[Creig]

RussianSensation, your statement was well written and you obviously put a good deal of thought into it. Unfortunately everything you said has been brought up to Rollo many times in the past. Here is one of his more memorable quotes that seems to sum up his attitude on the subject:

Originally posted by: Rollo
So I guess we've established I'm not going to give Ghandi or Jesus a run for the "Turned the other cheek" award. Oh well.

He's well aware of how others perceive him but unfortunately doesn't care enough to change.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How did the HL2 beta benchmark prove that it was way wrong to get a 9800? Its much faster than any FX in HL2. While you had to wait a year... not everyone buys a card every 6 months. And you got HL2 for "free" if you bought it at the right time. While I dont agree in putting much stock in beta performances, the HL2 beta benches seem pretty accurate to me. The FX cards suck in it.

Why? 'Cause HL2 was a year late. . . . and the 9600xt - if memory serves me correct - also included 'free' HL2.

A 'beta anything' is not a reason to upgrade.

What if FEAR never gets released? . . . or is released NEXT Summer? . . . you'd feel pretty silly IF 'that' was the reason you got a 7800

 

[imported_Noob]

Originally posted by: DidlySquatHaving high end hardware doesn't make you into a good gamer.

That is true. But having high end hardware will give you high resolutions which can give you and edge. For example. I play BF1942(DC Mod)/BF2 competitively. Being able to max up AA and other graphic settings makes it easier to identify enemies from a distance giving you that much of an edge. Wether this would help with many other games? I couldn't tell you.

But as for getting 7800GTX SLI? I would personally have no need unless I am going to make a very decent living for myself. I would rather get next gen performance with the next gen cards that have newer features, rather then SLI/Crossfire to get next gen performance today (minus the higher AA settings). But if you have tons of money to spend on many different cards, why not? The only hard part then would be constantly replacing the cards in your rig .

 

[BadAcid]

I'd justify spending 600$ on a 7800 GTX if I could design the rest of the system to be ~400-450$ =)
(Just another one of those 1000$ limit on new PCs kinda guy!)

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: archcommus
Okay two questions:

1) What the hell is up with the girl in the demo run, that's not what the game is about is it?

2) What's so impressive about this game's graphics?

1) It's one of the characters in the game, unnatural powers etc is the story and you are member in a special op team.

2) Get DX9 card and run it at full detail in high res.

1) That is really stupid. What an uninteresting and uncreative story. I mean, when I was watching the demo I was actually wondering if they were jokingly making fun of The Ring or something, or if that was really the story. Oh well.

2) That is exactly what I did. Ran it at max everything at 1280x960. Saw nothing that impressed me at all. The shadows were good, but otherwise, nothing. Bland textures, normal level of detail, nothing out of the ordinary at all.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Noob

Originally posted by: DidlySquatHaving high end hardware doesn't make you into a good gamer.

That is true. But having high end hardware will give you high resolutions which can give you and edge. For example. I play BF1942(DC Mod)/BF2 competitively. Being able to max up AA and other graphic settings makes it easier to identify enemies from a distance giving you that much of an edge. Wether this would help with many other games? I couldn't tell you.

But as for getting 7800GTX SLI? I would personally have no need unless I am going to make a very decent living for myself. I would rather get next gen performance with the next gen cards that have newer features, rather then SLI/Crossfire to get next gen performance today (minus the higher AA settings). But if you have tons of money to spend on many different cards, why not? The only hard part then would be constantly replacing the cards in your rig .

No. Competitive players turn off graphics features not because their hardware can't handle it, it's just because they WANT to. I'll bet you fatal1ty/zer04, any other professional player still runs at mipmap quality 5 (quake3 worst quality) (versus 1-top quality), even with the 6800 Ultras they won from the competitions. Why? It's easier to see. In Wolfenstein: ET, think it's easier to see enemies with the rain or without the rain, regardless of FPS? Though this mostly goes for older games. Now id Software smarted up and removed the mipmap quality from Doom 3 so now competitive players will have to use it on high quality. The exact reason being it gives an unfair edge to the competitive players over normal people who play with default.cfg. That and it makes their art designers cry.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: archcommus
Okay two questions:

1) What the hell is up with the girl in the demo run, that's not what the game is about is it?

2) What's so impressive about this game's graphics?

1) It's one of the characters in the game, unnatural powers etc is the story and you are member in a special op team.

2) Get DX9 card and run it at full detail in high res.

1) That is really stupid. What an uninteresting and uncreative story. I mean, when I was watching the demo I was actually wondering if they were jokingly making fun of The Ring or something, or if that was really the story. Oh well.

2) That is exactly what I did. Ran it at max everything at 1280x960. Saw nothing that impressed me at all. The shadows were good, but otherwise, nothing. Bland textures, normal level of detail, nothing out of the ordinary at all.

Its better than Doom 3 for sure then...

 

[archcommus]

What the hell am I missing then, is my X800 XL disabling features that make it look wonderful? What is so impressive?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Greenman
I just went to the F.E.A.R. web site and checked out the video and screenies, the best of it looks about as good as HL2. It would need to be ten times better before I'd even consider droping $600 on a new card to run it.
I've never played any game at more than 1024x768 (on a 19" crt), it looks the same to me no matter how high the res, and the game I play most is 6 years old and works just fine on a 64meg pci video card (TFC).

If it looks the same to you no matter what the res, you're not looking? 16X12 has so many more pixels per square inch than 10X7 it's almost impossible not to see the difference. (no offense)

Things in the distance are where it really shows.

Anyway, I'm upgrading my 5 year old to 6800GT SLI in the next week or two. (parts are here, need the time) I'll be sure to post some 7800GTX benches on his A64 3200 to compare to my A64 3800. People seem fond of saying "You have to have the FX55 for 7800s!".

We'll see.

A five year old with 6800GT SLI? Are you kidding? A five year old? Are you next going to say that my five year old's computer pawns all of you sorry X850XT Platinum owners? Of course you would couch it in benevolent vocabulary to disguise the unconcsious attempt to feel superior to others but ...

By the way, I agree with you that the 7800 SLI dominates anything ATI has. Period. If you are willing to pay the price there is no competition, period.

But bringing up how you are going to give your five year old 6800GT SLI and benchmark it to compare to your own new monster system does smack of (a sly condenscension/arrogance). This thread was about the playbility of F.E.A.R. not Rollo's five year old having a better system than most people in the thread.

I agree with many of your points Rollo and disagree with others. I have a 9600pro currently so if you are feeling charitable I would gladly except any 600 series NVIDIA card if you happen to have any lying around in the closet.

 

[DidlySquat]

no Rollo doesn't have a closet full of recent cards because he supposedly sold everything on ebay/heatware/craigslist/anandtech/hardocp/online chat rooms, etc. Sounds like a full time video card trader. btw, do any of the gamers here know what a manta-run is ?

 

[lee631]

So I just spent $600 on a card that wont run future games? Thats why I bought the damm thing

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

UHH, lee631 this is based on a game that is in early beta and may or may not be released. If it won't run on your system than the game will not sell at all because you are at the ultra high end 1% of the market.

 

[lee631]

What about Elder Scrolls, Quake 4, Prey. those games Im really looking forward to and if I cant run them 1600x1200 with 4xAA & 16xAF Im gonna be realy pissed off.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: lee631
What about Elder Scrolls, Quake 4, Prey. those games Im really looking forward to and if I cant run them 1600x1200 with 4xAA & 16xAF Im gonna be realy pissed off.

Prepare to be pissed off.

eventually a game - sooner rather than later - at least one Unreal3 engine-game [with it's 1000+ shader instructions] is gonna get released this year - is gonna choke even your new card at those demanding resolutions.



of course you can always turn the AA down

:roll:

 

[lee631]

So basically Software is ahead of the hardware or soon will be. Im aready pissed of after reading this thread, Hurry R520 or Ultra!

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: lee631
So basically Software is ahead of the hardware or soon will be. Im aready pissed of after reading this thread, Hurry R520 or Ultra!

Basically, yes (if you run at high resolutions with AA/AF).

 

[lee631]

Will better drivers help these cards out? When I bought this card I thought I could run future games for at least a year wouldnt that justify the $600

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: lee631
So basically Software is ahead of the hardware or soon will be. Im aready pissed of after reading this thread, Hurry R520 or Ultra!

no . . . ONLY if you want to run with lots of AA/AF and 'transparent' features plus HDR . . . 'eyecandy' that doesn't really contribute to the game except for its visual 'effects'.

Unreal3 is trying for what Doom3 Engine has . . . the ability to deliver stunning visuals on DX9 only cards over a wide range of video card capabilities. Since the 6600 is the 'minimum' for this engine, you're 'set' for about 18 months until the NEXT gen of games come up that are even more demanding at the top end. By then there will probably be dual-core GPUs that are also SLI'd and multi-core CPUs and physics processors . . . by THEN, your card will be 'old' [2-3 years].

 

[lee631]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: lee631
So basically Software is ahead of the hardware or soon will be. Im aready pissed of after reading this thread, Hurry R520 or Ultra!

no . . . ONLY if you want to run with lots of AA/AF and 'transparent' features plus HDR . . . 'eyecandy' that doesn't really contribute to the game except for its visual 'effects'.

Unreal3 is trying for what Doom3 Engine has . . . the ability to deliver stunning visuals on DX9 only cards over a wide range of video card capabilities. Since the 6600 is the 'minimum' for this engine, you're 'set' for about 18 months until the NEXT gen of games come up that are even more demanding at the top end. By then there will probably be dual-core GPUs that are also SLI'd and multi-core CPUs and physics processors . . . by THEN, your card will be 'old' [2-3 years].

Yea, I thought I could run all those features but I guess not.

 

[apoppin]

maybe not . . .

maybe so.

wait and see . . . . but it always gets 'old' too quickly

 

[lee631]

Just have to sell this one when somthing better comes out it, will do for now though.

 

[Drayvn]

Why is it everyone is saying this game may not get released?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
Why is it everyone is saying this game may not get released?

not everyone . . . mostly me

and i am basing it on other games' recent track records - i.e. STALKER or HL2 that were either never released or delayed over a year.