Want to pay $100 more per year in energy costs?

[XZeroII]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...s/us_news-environment/

A Senate plan to tackle global warming would add about $100 a year to the energy costs for a typical American household, according to an analysis by the Environmental Protection Agency.

Boxer said the bill provides "a clean energy future, creating millions of jobs and protecting our children from dangerous pollution."

Wow, this is going to create millions of jobs! I'd like to see the math on that.

Frankly, I'm not too happy paying an additional $100 year in energy costs like this. I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed for everything. Sure, I want to see lower emissions and such, but this is getting crazy. Not only because it's going to cost me an additional $100 per year, but I'll have to subsidize all of the people who can't afford the increase as well.

*sigh*

 

[ebaycj]

Really? All this bitching over an extra 8.33 per month on your combined total of electricity + natural gas ?

I guess there are a lot of broke-asses out there, though.

 

[blackangst1]

ugh

 

[Ozoned]

You need to look at Obamas submitted budget. There is a staggering number in there about revenue from the subject matter of this topic. $100.00 per household doesn't cover it.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Really? All this bitching over an extra 8.33 per month on your combined total of electricity + natural gas ?

I guess there are a lot of broke-asses out there, though.

You've heard the story about boiling a frog starting with cold water, right?

 

[piasabird]

A lot of the east coast and other areas still heat their homes with heating oil. What happens to that? Natural gas is a lot cleaner compared to heating oil. I imagine somewhere someone is still burning wood and even coal. Could always convert back to using a fireplace or some other method like a boiler.

Maybe we need higher rates for people with large houses. This would be the way to curb back and get more money from people that make more money and build and live in the mansions that the lower middle class can not even afford. This would encourage smaller houses and radically reduce usage of Heating and cooling mostly wasted space. That way it taxes the people in a way that only rich mansion owners can afford.

According to what I have seen on the shows like Mad Money we have a glut of natural gas.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Screwing with folk's heating bills will reap Democrats the same rewards as screwing with folk's gun rights.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: piasabird
A lot of the east coast and other areas still heat their homes with heating oil. What happens to that? Natural gas is a lot cleaner compared to heating oil. I imagine somewhere someone is still burning wood and even coal. Could always convert back to using a fireplace or some other method like a boiler.

Maybe we need higher rates for people with large houses. This would be the way to curb back and get more money from people that make more money and build and live in the mansions that the lower middle class can not even afford. This would encourage smaller houses and radically reduce usage of Heating and cooling mostly wasted space. That way it taxes the people in a way that only rich mansion owners can afford.

According to what I have seen on the shows like Mad Money we have a glut of natural gas.

What you need to understand is that the underlying goal of climate change legislation is not to reduce emissions, it is a scam set up to steal money legally. Reduced emissions is just a side effect. Reduced emissions could be achieved by simply regulating them. The only administrative cost would be enforcing the reguations.

 

[Genx87]

Boxer said the bill provides "a clean energy future, creating millions of jobs and protecting our children from dangerous pollution."

Hahahahahahaha how politicians can say this without laughing at themselves is a testament to how good liars they are.

 

[MotF Bane]

More money to the government, yay!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

The middle of an economic crisis isn't the time to begin imposing unnecessary taxes on people. Most Americans could care less about environmental issues right now. If he wants Americans to support this type of thing, he must first fix the nation's economy so that middle class employment is available to people again.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Wow, this is going to create millions of jobs! I'd like to see the math on that.

Frankly, I'm not too happy paying an additional $100 year in energy costs like this.

I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed for everything.

Not only because it's going to cost me an additional $100 per year, but I'll have to subsidize all of the people who can't afford the increase as well.

*sigh*

Gee you didn't feel "nickled and dimed for everything" under your hero Bush though eh?

I'm glad you're "not too happy"

Mission Accomplished Messiah Obama

Oh and you can forget $100 more per year, it will be more like $100 more per month and I bet more than that even. Pay up boy.

 

[Via]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Screwing with folk's heating bills will reap Democrats the same rewards as screwing with folk's gun rights.

But people's heating bills already HAVE been screwed with massively this decade. I rented a small townhouse and was able to control my costs, but a good example would be a homeowning friend of mine who's average heating bill shot from around $150 to almost $400 a month very quickly a few winters ago.

I don't know what he pays now; maybe prices have come back down somewhat. People need to direct their anger in the right direction.

 

[boomerang]

I wouldn't mind paying that amount if,

[*]I knew it would actually make a difference.

[*]I could trust Barbara Boxer.

[*]I could trust the administration in general. They all lose my trust eventually. This one has lost mine.

And then there's this quote from the link in the OP.

There have been widely conflicting price tags estimated for the climate bills. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated the household cost of the House-passed bill at about $175 a year in 2020. It has not examined the Senate bill. But some industry-cited studies have put the cost much higher, some claiming possible added costs of as much as $3,000.

I'm tired of being lied to. I don't know what's the truth anymore, so I assume everything the government tells me is a lie. Which figure is correct?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: boomerang
I wouldn't mind paying that amount if,

[*]I knew it would actually make a difference.

[*]I could trust Barbara Boxer.

[*]I could trust the administration in general. They all lose my trust eventually. This one has lost mine.

And then there's this quote from the link in the OP.

There have been widely conflicting price tags estimated for the climate bills. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated the household cost of the House-passed bill at about $175 a year in 2020. It has not examined the Senate bill. But some industry-cited studies have put the cost much higher, some claiming possible added costs of as much as $3,000.

I'm tired of being lied to. I don't know what's the truth anymore, so I assume everything the government tells me is a lie. Which figure is correct?

Better question...how many government "projects" ever come in under budget? There's a reason, for example, the government bids out road work to private companies offering bonuses for time/money under budget. They can actually do it.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Gee you didn't feel "nickled and dimed for everything" under your hero Bush though eh?

I'm glad you're "not too happy"

Mission Accomplished Messiah Obama

Oh and you can forget $100 more per year, it will be more like $100 more per month and I bet more than that even. Pay up boy.

*facepalm*

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Wow, this is going to create millions of jobs! I'd like to see the math on that.

Frankly, I'm not too happy paying an additional $100 year in energy costs like this.

I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed for everything.

Not only because it's going to cost me an additional $100 per year, but I'll have to subsidize all of the people who can't afford the increase as well.

*sigh*

Gee you didn't feel "nickled and dimed for everything" under your hero Bush though eh?

I'm glad you're "not too happy"

Mission Accomplished Messiah Obama

Oh and you can forget $100 more per year, it will be more like $100 more per month and I bet more than that even. Pay up boy.

As long as they keeps their hands off my Medicare.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

"If you are a family making less than $250,000.00, my plan will not raise your taxes. Period..." but...

grrrRRR :|

 

[Darwin333]

But some industry-cited studies have put the cost much higher, some claiming possible added costs of as much as $3,000.

If that happens I will become a multimillionaire damn near overnight. It would create jobs, hell I would have to hire at least 20 new field hands and 3 or 4 office personnel but I am curious as to how many jobs would be lost in other industries.

I don't agree with a lot of the bill but I doubt I will be all that vocal against it

 

[DealMonkey]

OMG OMG! I totally understand the fear and gnashing of teeth. It's like the nightmare world of paying $8/month to help clean up our energy production (at minimum) and maybe helping stave off climate change and creating tons of new jobs (at best) is coming true! Oh the humanity . . .

:roll:

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
OMG OMG! I totally understand the fear and gnashing of teeth. It's like the nightmare world of paying $8/month to help clean up our energy production (at minimum) and maybe helping stave off climate change and creating tons of new jobs (at best) is coming true! Oh the humanity . . .

:roll:

Just out of curiosity, what flavor was the koolaid today? purple?

purple is my favorite.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

But some industry-cited studies have put the cost much higher, some claiming possible added costs of as much as $3,000.

If that happens I will become a multimillionaire damn near overnight. It would create jobs, hell I would have to hire at least 20 new field hands and 3 or 4 office personnel but I am curious as to how many jobs would be lost in other industries.

I don't agree with a lot of the bill but I doubt I will be all that vocal against it

The only people that will be making money are those managing the carbon credits. It's just a tax on the bottom feeders being shuffled up to the top. (Al Gore and his cronies)

Oh hell, it's time for a Dennis Miller quote.

"Beware of prophets seeking profits."

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
"If you are a family making less than $250,000.00, my plan will not raise your taxes. Period..." but...

grrrRRR :|

Income taxes.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
OMG OMG! I totally understand the fear and gnashing of teeth. It's like the nightmare world of paying $8/month to help clean up our energy production (at minimum) and maybe helping stave off climate change and creating tons of new jobs (at best) is coming true! Oh the humanity . . .

:roll:

Those two words say it all.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Gee you didn't feel "nickled and dimed for everything" under your hero Bush though eh?

I'm glad you're "not too happy"

Mission Accomplished Messiah Obama

Oh and you can forget $100 more per year, it will be more like $100 more per month and I bet more than that even. Pay up boy.

And even better, *you* will have to pay up as well.

Seriously, your first intelligent post will be the first one and probably the last one.