Want to buy a gun, some questions

AstroManLuca

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Recently I decided I wanted to get a gun. There are two main reasons - one, I want a new hobby, and two, I live in a ground floor apartment in a big city so I think having one for self-defense would be a good idea. I already have my permit to purchase a handgun, and I also went into the closest gun store to where I live and asked the guy there some questions. He suggested I sign up for a handgun familiarization class at a nearby shooting range. Unfortunately, it's not happening for another month. I'm not exactly in a hurry to get the gun but it would be nice to not have to wait quite so long.

I've already pretty much decided on a 9x19mm pistol, so what I'm really looking for isn't advice on which gun to get - I'll take care of that when it's time to actually buy one. I've done plenty of research and at this point it mostly comes down to which one feels right. What I am trying to figure out is my best course of action from here. Should I just wait the month, take the course, and then after that decide on a gun? Or should I forget about the class and head over to a different range where they rent guns, talk to them about my situation, maybe rent and shoot a few, and then pick one out to buy?

To clarify, there's a gun store really close to me (~2 miles) that doesn't have a range, as well as two ranges that are a bit farther away. One of those two (the one recommended by the owner of the gun store) doesn't rent but is offering that class in a month. The other one does rent, but the guy seems to have a grudge against the place since he was accidentally shot in the shoulder there a few years ago.

Last thing is, one of my friends also wants to learn to shoot. She was planning on attending the class with me but I realized it's pretty steep for both of us to attend (at $95 each). What I was thinking was instead of the class, I could just go to the range that rents, try to get some free advice and pointers from other people there, rent some 9mm pistols, pick one, and then later I could come back and teach my friend how to shoot as well.

Would it be a mistake for me to not take a class first, or am I fine without one? I've already read a whole lot about gun safety and even though I know there's a lot you can't tell by just reading stuff, I'm not sure it would take $95 and an entire afternoon just to learn how to use one. I'd rather apply that money toward renting or buying a gun and paying for range time and ammunition.

To be clear, I would never think of just buying a gun and playing with it until I figure it out... that's stupid and dangerous. But I have heard that the people at shooting ranges tend to be very friendly and helpful to gun newbies, so I'm questioning whether I need to really take a formal class.
 

RGN

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If you think $95 is a lot, wait until you realize how much you have to shoot to become good at it. Ammo prices have about doubled in the last year.
 

jlee

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Last thing is, one of my friends also wants to learn to shoot. She was planning on attending the class with me but I realized it's pretty steep for both of us to attend (at $95 each). What I was thinking was instead of the class, I could just go to the range that rents, try to get some free advice and pointers from other people there, rent some 9mm pistols, pick one, and then later I could come back and teach my friend how to shoot as well.

You're not going to teach anyone how to shoot properly after an afternoon of free advice.
 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: RGN
If you think $95 is a lot, wait until you realize how much you have to shoot to become good at it. Ammo prices have about doubled in the last year.

No kidding.

Get's real fun to pay for when you get something like a .50 BMG. $50 for 10 rounds. :D
 

AstroManLuca

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Okay okay, I get the point, I will take the class!

It's not that $95 is that much or that I can't afford it, I just wanted to hear what you guys thought. Sounds like an overwhelming "YES."
 

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I spent over $440 for my s&w m&p 9mm compact and almost half of that on ammo for it, it is expensive but I feel it is worth it. Guns are an expensive toy and if you are doing this for self defense, you'd best learn how to shoot the gun. Take a class(es) and spend some money on a decent weapon and visit the shooting range frequently
 

RGN

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Originally posted by: adairusmc

No kidding.

Get's real fun to pay for when you get something like a .50 BMG. $50 for 10 rounds. :D

I almost exclusively shoot handgun and have just taken up reloading. It costs me almost $1/pop for .50AE. I used to buy factory for that. However I can still shoot .45ACP for a bit over $5/box. :)
 

Scarpozzi

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I bought an XD9 Subcompact.

http://oneweb.utc.edu/~psw478/xd1.jpg

It's got a 3 inch barrel which is great if you want to carry, but it's not accurate if you're wanting to do range shooting. I suggest getting something with a 4-5" barrel (probably a 5").

XDs are pretty popular right now.

If you want a good gun for the money, check out Taurus. They make some really good guns for the money. Made in Brazil....in an old Beretta Factory.

If you're going to do a lot of shooting for hobby, consider getting a .22 handgun. 500 rounds can be had for $15 where 50 rounds for the 9mm is $10-15.
 

RGN

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
If you want a good gun for the money, check out Taurus. They make some really good guns for the money. Made in Brazil....in an old Beretta Factory.

Um, dude... no...


Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
If you're going to do a lot of shooting for hobby, consider getting a .22 handgun. 500 rounds can be had for $15 where 50 rounds for the 9mm is $10-15.

+1
 

AstroManLuca

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I've definitely thought about going for a .22 for hobby shooting. Maybe even have both a .22 and a 9mm. Over time, that would probably actually cost a lot less. Obviously I'd still have to shoot the 9mm a lot to get good at using it since it would be my self-defense gun, but a .22 would be nice to have nonetheless if only for the super low cost of ammo.

Still don't really know precisely which one I'd get. For a .22 I'd probably go with a Ruger Mk III. For a 9mm I'll probably want to be able to conceal it, so bigger guns like the CZ75 and Beretta are out. I've considered the Glock 19, XD9 Subcompact, or maybe something from Sig.
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: RGN
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
If you want a good gun for the money, check out Taurus. They make some really good guns for the money. Made in Brazil....in an old Beretta Factory.

Um, dude... no...
If you're going to argue about it, show me some documentation to back it up with fact rather than making stupid comments with no added value for debate.

Tell me where else you can get a decent double action semi-automatic handgun for under $350? My cousin just bought a .40 S&W and it is an amazing handgun for the money.

In comparison, if you buy an XD, Walther, Beretta, Sig, or Glock, you're going to have a few hundred more invested in it and you're not going to get much more gun for the money. My only gripe with the Taurus 24/7 is the takedown is a little cumbersome.

Here's a thread, but if you search you'll find plenty more people that like them.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=178414

Here's a picture: http://i124.photobucket.com/al.../TaurusandBersa004.jpg
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Glock 19
I like the size of this one, but I'm 6'4" and have larger hands. The molded grips make it difficult for me to hold this gun without my fingers feeling like they're forced into an unnatural position. I recommend the Glock 19 if you want to carry...but only if you want to carry.

Otherwise, you'll find that the Glock 17, while older is much more comfortable and has plenty of additional room if you've got man hands.
 

soydios

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Take the class. AND rent and shoot guns before buying one.

I shot pistol for the first time yesterday. I was most accurate with the .357Mag/.38Special, probably because it had the longest barrel and distance between the sights, followed by the .45-cal 1911. 9mm was my least accurate, though it had noticeably less recoil than the .45. These accuracy trends held up under slow fire (shot every few seconds) and semi-rapid fire (shot every second or so). Trouble is, I prefer the size of the 9mm Beretta I was shooting to either of the other guns, plus the Beretta is really simple to strip and clean.
 

RGN

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
If you're going to argue about it, show me some documentation to back it up with fact rather than making stupid comments with no added value for debate.

Read some of the threads here, they are not full of happiness. http://www.taurusarmed.net
The problem with Taurus is consistency, nothing has changed with the 24/7. Maybe the pro model will be better. Its got stiff competition from the new xD-M though.

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Tell me where else you can get a decent double action semi-automatic handgun for under $350? My cousin just bought a .40 S&W and it is an amazing handgun for the money.


Smith&Wesson? The Sigma Series, while having issues in the past should be a more reliable firearm than the 24/7. I own 2, they are the same bang for the buck you claim the Taurus is. The new M&P can be had for a great price if you shop around. Maybe not $350, but less than $500. Also the FN FNP can be had for about $400.

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
In comparison, if you buy an XD, Walther, Beretta, Sig, or Glock, you're going to have a few hundred more invested in it and you're not going to get much more gun for the money. My only gripe with the Taurus 24/7 is the takedown is a little cumbersome.

With firearms, you do get what you pay for. Well, maybe not with Glock, but that one is opinion that is not up for debate. :D
 

Scarpozzi

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Originally posted by: RGN
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
If you're going to argue about it, show me some documentation to back it up with fact rather than making stupid comments with no added value for debate.

Read some of the threads here, they are not full of happiness. http://www.taurusarmed.net
The problem with Taurus is consistency, nothing has changed with the 24/7. Maybe the pro model will be better. Its got stiff competition from the new xD-M though.
Thank you...I appreciate the link for the sake of argument.

Having bought an XD, I'm a fan of the firearm...it's nice. However, I still feel that after seeing how rugged the 24/7 is, it's a great buy for an entry level piece. I've only heard good things about quality control out of the Taurus plant the last couple of years. The people who work there have been working their whole lives making guns and they know what they're doing.

I'd like to give the XDM a try, but once again....it's going to be a $600 gun. It's hard to compare the Taurus to the top-tier guns. I'm just thinking the OP might want a quality firearm without breaking the bank.
 
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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
I bought an XD9 Subcompact.

http://oneweb.utc.edu/~psw478/xd1.jpg

It's got a 3 inch barrel which is great if you want to carry, but it's not accurate if you're wanting to do range shooting. I suggest getting something with a 4-5" barrel (probably a 5").

XDs are pretty popular right now.

If you want a good gun for the money, check out Taurus. They make some really good guns for the money. Made in Brazil....in an old Beretta Factory.

If you're going to do a lot of shooting for hobby, consider getting a .22 handgun. 500 rounds can be had for $15 where 50 rounds for the 9mm is $10-15.

Agreed, and then some.

The Millennium PT series is probably the best concealed carry handgun I've ever used (and I've used a lot). I personally prefer .40, but the .45 is just as good. It's very cheap, incredibly accurate, durable, and basically every other good thing you can think of.
 
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Take the class. Not only is a great introduction to shooting but it may count as a class for getting a concealed permit, if you ever choose to. May not, some states have specific class requirements that you can check on. It's still worth it though.

I would also strongly suggest your friend take the class. While you could pass along hit and miss points, you don't have the experience or training to catch things which could be quite important.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
I bought an XD9 Subcompact.

http://oneweb.utc.edu/~psw478/xd1.jpg

It's got a 3 inch barrel which is great if you want to carry, but it's not accurate if you're wanting to do range shooting. I suggest getting something with a 4-5" barrel (probably a 5").

XDs are pretty popular right now.

If you want a good gun for the money, check out Taurus. They make some really good guns for the money. Made in Brazil....in an old Beretta Factory.

If you're going to do a lot of shooting for hobby, consider getting a .22 handgun. 500 rounds can be had for $15 where 50 rounds for the 9mm is $10-15.

I LOVE my xD, I wouldn't get the 5" barrel (tactical model) though, I think it looks tacky. 9mm ammo is not that bad, although I love .22s and will probably get one for the range soon I would not want to get too comfortable with that little recoil then need to shoot the 9mm accurately and not be able to.

OP, are you going to carry? If not it doesn't matter what size so go with a full size.