Want Corsair H70 vs. Noctua NH-D14 apples-to-apples

tviceman

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I'd just happily go with the nh-d14, but I plan on buying the Asus Maximus Gene-Z mATX board and videos/pictures show the nh-d14 is has literally no space between itself and a video card installed in the top PCIe slot. So now I'm considering the H70, but I'm having difficulty finding comparisons between it and the nh-d14 with similar fan setups. I'd basically like to know if the H70, paired with two Noctua's best 120mm fans (http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=25&lng=en) is going to perform nearly on par, or possibly even better, than the NH-D14. Does anyone have experience with both coolers using similar fan profiles?

Anyone with experience with both? Will the H70, with Noctua's fans, cool as well as the nd-d14?
 

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DH-14 will crush almost any self contained liquid cooling unit there is, and it will easily edge out the H100, though not as much as it would the others. The only cooler that i know of thats better than the DH-14 is mine, EVGA superclock. Look at reviews and benches:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/EVGA-Superclock-CPU-Cooler-Review/1336/6

Plus its black :)

That link shows the h70 outperforming the nh-d14 and only 1 degree off your evga cooler. Which, again, is why I want to know if anyone has done apples-to-apples comparisons of the h70 with fans that have similar airflow to the nh-d14's...
 

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DH-14 will crush almost any self contained liquid cooling unit there is, and it will easily edge out the H100, though not as much as it would the others. The only cooler that i know of thats better than the DH-14 is mine, EVGA superclock. Look at reviews and benches:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/EVGA-Superclock-CPU-Cooler-Review/1336/6

Plus its black :)

I've used both the NH-D14 and H100 in my system, the H100 gives better temps. The NH-D14 will not "easily" crush the H70. Now the H70/H100 work better in certain cases and usually you will want the push/pull configuration. But your statement is laughable to say the least. The D14 is also mostly idiot free while i've seen many H100 users use incorrect TIM (should use the included Dow corning TIM) I've seen H100 users not setup their case airflow correctly. I've also seen people put push/pull fans in opposition of each other which is truly mind boggling. If you're stupid/clueless about airflow direction your case, don't bother with the H100.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_series_h100/4.htm

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http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Corsair-H100-CPU-Cooler-Review/1427/6

In 4 reviews the H100 beats the NH-D14, and they did not use push pull AFAIK. I can find more reviews of the H100 "easily edging out the" NH-D14 if you wish :) With my testing, on medium fans the H100 was 2C better and at high setting with 2 additional 2k 120mm fnas, it was 4C better at overclocked load.

What I hate most about the NH-D14 is the bulkiness. I cannot stand that it blocks my PCI-e retaining mechanism on the upper slot. And my RAM. And its too heavy. Its not a bad cooler by any means, though.
 
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I went ahead and ordered the H70. I am going to put it in a push-pull configuration with Noctua's best 120mm fan, the Noctua NF-S12B FLX 120mm. It pushes 59.2 cfm @ 18.1 dcb, while the corsair fan is noticeably inferior in sound levels at equal airflow. That should allow me to get some decent overclocks.
 

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More importantly is making sure the fans you select generate decent pressure. Noctua has specific fans for this as their regular case fans are lacking in this area.
 

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I understand exactly where the OP is coming from though. I know that the Noctua package will performance roughly equal to the Corsair package... but what if I want to use different fans? How would the Noctua perform if I used the Corsair fans and vice versa?

Taking us back to the days where most AT PC users picked up a heatsink which did not come with a fan, review sites would always use the same fan on bare heatsinks and use the packaged fan on any of the decent/popular packages that came along. IMO these two are top choices for the majority of enthusiasts, each with a few pluses and minuses over each other depending on your situation. A comparison of both coolers, using the same fan combination (or multiple fans, static pressure, noise level, raw CFM combinations) would provide us with a great resource.

I purchased my Corsair H100 for the same price as one of these Noctua doo-dads and I can't say I'm disappointed. With sub-70C temps when my i5 2500k is overclocked and the fans are usually running at below startup voltage, the system is cool and quiet.

Currently I'm looking for 140mm fans for my H100 to fit in my Corsair Carbide 500R. Not an easy task it seems. My best choice so far seems to be Noctua which is about $60 USD equivalent for 2 fans... **** that :p
 

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Hi guys.

I wanted to update this thread with my experience on both coolers. I bought the corsair H70 originally, and while corsair is usually associated with high quality, the H70 is anything but.

The H70 backplate is cheap, thinly constructed plastic. When fitted on an 1155/1156 Intel board, it will be crooked even though the holes line up fine. The backplate also does not come pre-assembled; the bolts need to be manually inserted into the holes corresponding to the type of motherboard you are using. Furthermore, I had to bend and bow the backplate by a noticeable amount to make it fit snug against the motherboard. There are more problems I had with the bolts that I mentioned, which will be explained in a little bit.

The retention bracket is almost of equally bad quality. The bracket is supposed to set up high on the mounting screws while you insert the water block through it's grooves, but any slight nudging of the retention plate easily pushed it down the screws, forcing me to set the water block aside and reposition the retention bracket. At the same time, the backplate would not stay flush against the back of the motherboard. I ultimately had to employ my wife's help - she held the backplate against the motherboard while I used one hand to hold up the retention bracket, and the other free hand to insert the water block. Setting the motherboard against something to hold the backplate was not enough - equal pressure was needed at the 4 holes/corners of the backplate. It was seriously 45 minutes of frustration, cussing, and agonizing back pain from being bent over the PC before I broke down and asked for her help.

After I had it mounted, and after a few days use, I noticed that core 0 was staying substantially cooler than all the other cores on my CPU (9 degrees difference ) during stress testing, so I concluded that I may have mounted the water block poorly. I dreaded having to go through that mess above, but I only wish that my only problems were what I described above. Apparently, when I was tightening the retention bracket after getting the water block installed, one of the bolts slightly popped out of the retention bracket, so as I was screwing down one particular screw to tighten the bracket, I was at the same time stripping the plastic back plate. In order to get the bolt and screw separated, I ended up needing needle nose pliers to hold the bolt still while I unscrewed the other side.

After all this happened, I managed to calm myself, take a breath, and decide that no one should have to go through this kind of hassle with any pc component. I had cut off the upc code for a MIR, so returning it to newegg was out of the question. I called up corsair, explained my situation, and they agreed to give me a refund via sending me a check after I send them back the cooler. I ordered the nh-d14 and installed it this afternoon. Sadly, at idle it is noticeably louder than the corsair h70 was (equipped with noctua fans) even with the fans being powered down via the motherboard's bios control, but in my particular case the NH-D14 seems to be cooling much more effectively than the H70. At 4.6ghz, I'm hitting a high of 62 degrees with the noctua whereas with the corsair h70 I would hit 73 degrees with the same ambient temperatures. I think I will experiment with the low-noise-adapters noctua includes to see if I can get things quieter without substantially letting up on the cooling.

I've owned several corsair PSU's and ram modules, all of which have been fantastic products. But I will NEVER, EVER recommend anyone getting the H70. The installation hassle alone is not worth it, but the cheap plastic un-assembled backplate added to the fact that they pre-apply TIM (which essentially means you get 1 mount's worth of TIM) completely erodes any value that the H70 might have had were these issues not present.
 

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Hi guys.

I wanted to update this thread with my experience on both coolers. I bought the corsair H70 originally, and while corsair is usually associated with high quality, the H70 is anything but.

The H70 backplate is cheap, thinly constructed plastic. When fitted on an 1155/1156 Intel board, it will be crooked even though the holes line up fine. The backplate also does not come pre-assembled; the bolts need to be manually inserted into the holes corresponding to the type of motherboard you are using. Furthermore, I had to bend and bow the backplate by a noticeable amount to make it fit snug against the motherboard. There are more problems I had with the bolts that I mentioned, which will be explained in a little bit.

The retention bracket is almost of equally bad quality. The bracket is supposed to set up high on the mounting screws while you insert the water block through it's grooves, but any slight nudging of the retention plate easily pushed it down the screws, forcing me to set the water block aside and reposition the retention bracket. At the same time, the backplate would not stay flush against the back of the motherboard. I ultimately had to employ my wife's help - she held the backplate against the motherboard while I used one hand to hold up the retention bracket, and the other free hand to insert the water block. Setting the motherboard against something to hold the backplate was not enough - equal pressure was needed at the 4 holes/corners of the backplate. It was seriously 45 minutes of frustration, cussing, and agonizing back pain from being bent over the PC before I broke down and asked for her help.

After I had it mounted, and after a few days use, I noticed that core 0 was staying substantially cooler than all the other cores on my CPU (9 degrees difference ) during stress testing, so I concluded that I may have mounted the water block poorly. I dreaded having to go through that mess above, but I only wish that my only problems were what I described above. Apparently, when I was tightening the retention bracket after getting the water block installed, one of the bolts slightly popped out of the retention bracket, so as I was screwing down one particular screw to tighten the bracket, I was at the same time stripping the plastic back plate. In order to get the bolt and screw separated, I ended up needing needle nose pliers to hold the bolt still while I unscrewed the other side.

After all this happened, I managed to calm myself, take a breath, and decide that no one should have to go through this kind of hassle with any pc component. I had cut off the upc code for a MIR, so returning it to newegg was out of the question. I called up corsair, explained my situation, and they agreed to give me a refund via sending me a check after I send them back the cooler. I ordered the nh-d14 and installed it this afternoon. Sadly, at idle it is noticeably louder than the corsair h70 was (equipped with noctua fans) even with the fans being powered down via the motherboard's bios control, but in my particular case the NH-D14 seems to be cooling much more effectively than the H70. At 4.6ghz, I'm hitting a high of 62 degrees with the noctua whereas with the corsair h70 I would hit 73 degrees with the same ambient temperatures. I think I will experiment with the low-noise-adapters noctua includes to see if I can get things quieter without substantially letting up on the cooling.

I've owned several corsair PSU's and ram modules, all of which have been fantastic products. But I will NEVER, EVER recommend anyone getting the H70. The installation hassle alone is not worth it, but the cheap plastic un-assembled backplate added to the fact that they pre-apply TIM (which essentially means you get 1 mount's worth of TIM) completely erodes any value that the H70 might have had were these issues not present.

Owning a Corsair H100, I can say I did not experience any of the above issues.

With my i2500k overclocked to 4.533ghz/1.224v, I max out at 60-62c under Prime 95. Fans are on my rheobus so I turn them up so they're spinning and turn the voltage down as low as I can without them stopping.

However, I am suffering with an issue that appears to be common on the Corsair Support Forums, a noisy pump. It's the noisiest component in my system, above the hard drives and in total 6 x 120mm fans. Got a collection organised via my retailer who will either replace it or refund me (fingers crossed for a replacement)
 

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NH-D14 is still the big boss, just have get some nice custom fans on there. :cool:

With 1.36V @ 4.7 it keeps my 3930K at about 65C. SB-E is a hotter chip than SB as well, so it's quite respectable.

I also like the look of a big beastly cooler myself. The one downside is having to remove the cooler if you want to take out or replace your RAM, that is pretty annoying.
 

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I used a H70 on the last 2500k build I made.

It was a pain to install on Intel (But crazy easy on AMD like always...)

It worked great. I generally used Coolit Eco 120's in the past for builds and this outperformed that.
 

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At 4.6Ghz running LinX I can only hear my front fans (pc under the table). What's your case?

I have the exact same case as you. I changed the bios fan control settings to standard instead of turbo, and that did the trick. I no longer think it is louder than the corsair. In fact, I'm getting better temps now than I initially reported under stress testing - even at slightly higher ambient room temperature. Right now the room ambient temperature is 1 degree hotter than when I first tested, but the hottest temperature I am reaching with any core is 61 degrees farenheit (a delta of 2 degrees better than my initial test). Is there a small burn in period with Noctua's thermal paste? Is that why I'm getting better results now?
 
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Corsair H70 is made by Asetek.

Corsair H100 is made by Coolit

I purchased an Antec Kuhler 620 and it has the same plastic/thin metal mounting materials as the H70. After I was done with the install, I was mad at how tricky it was to install and how hard it was to screw into the plastic standoffs. I almost snapped my board removing the plastic backplate with the adhesive that is as strong than automotive 3m tape. Btw the Antec was an Asetek cooler as well.
 

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The SB @ 4ghz in a Raven under a H80 never got over 38c under load......there is no way to get that under air...
 

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Hmmm, is the mounting of the H70 much different than the H60? I had no problems at all installing my H60, in fact it was probably the easiest heat sink I have ever installed. The pump was noisy for a day until all the air bubbles worked their way out. It is fine now.
 

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Hmmm, is the mounting of the H70 much different than the H60? I had no problems at all installing my H60, in fact it was probably the easiest heat sink I have ever installed. The pump was noisy for a day until all the air bubbles worked their way out. It is fine now.

Yes, the H60 pump is square and you are right - it is a piece of cake. The H70 is a an entirely different beast.
 

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I'm all for the D14 but a friend said you can hear the pump make this strange high pitched fast clicking so I went with the D14 instead of say an H80 or Antec Khuler. If you OC though the fans will be louder than the clicking :)
 

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I am surprised the Silver Arrow is never mentioned in these high-end cooler considerations.

- It comes with superior thermal paste (Thermalright Chill Factor III) than Noctua's cooler
- It comes with 2x TY-140mm fans, that are not only the leading 140 mm fans in noise/CFM, but are much quieter than Noctua's
- Its performance is more or less similar to the Noctua's
- It costs about $75, which is usually a little bit less than the Noctua

But even now, you can get the Thermalright True Spirit 140 for $53 at Nan's that does as well as the H80 at similar noise levels, but costs a lot less. The value of enclosed water-cooling systems is under serious thread now that Thermalright has released $39.95 True Spirit 140 and Macho HR-02, unless you absolutely want those Corsair Dominator heatsinks :)