Wal-Mart supports employer mandated health care

ahenkel

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Part of me wonders if its due to the expansion of medical care services offered through wal-mart. I have a feeling the employee's of wal-mart would be "encouraged" to use in house services. I don't have a massive problem with that though it would keep costs down and hopefully get people to seek help earlier.




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WASHINGTON -- In a major break with most other large companies, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Tuesday told the White House that it supports requiring employers to provide health insurance to workers, a centerpiece of President Barack Obama's effort to provide near-universal coverage to Americans.

The support of Wal-Mart, the nation's largest private employer, could give momentum to one of the most-contentious aspects of legislation taking shape in Congress to fix the health system. To help pay for covering the 46 million uninsured, lawmakers have proposed mandating that all but small employers provide insurance for workers or help pay for it.

Lobbies for large corporations have opposed the idea. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has fought such a mandate, saying it would prompt companies to cut jobs, lower wages and possibly drive them out of business. Wal-Mart -- which provides insurance to employees and wants to level the playing field with companies that don't -- on Tuesday delivered a letter to President Obama taking a different stance.

"We are for an employer mandate which is fair and broad in its coverage," said the letter, signed by Wal-Mart Chief Executive Mike Duke. Andrew Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, also signed the letter, along with John Podesta, who led President Obama's transition team and is chief executive of the Center for American Progress, a liberal-leaning think tank.

The National Retail Federation, the industry's main lobby, said it was "flabbergasted" by Wal-Mart's move. "We have been one of the foremost opponents to employer mandate," said Neil Trautwein, vice president with the Washington-based trade group. "We are surprised and disappointed by Wal-Mart's choice to embrace an employer mandate in exchange for a promise of cost savings."

Mr. Trautwein said an employer mandate is "the single most destructive thing you could do to the health-care system shy of a single-payer system," under which the government handles health-care administration. The mandate "would quite possibly cut off the economic recovery we all desperately need," he said. The group believes forcing companies to provide insurance will raise costs for its members.

Under the plans being discussed in Congress, small businesses would either be exempt from the mandate or face a less-onerous requirement.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said most of its members oppose an employer mandate, and it doesn't think Wal-Mart's stance will change that. "The kind that the groups in this letter support is the worst incarnation, the most dangerous policy," said James Gelfand, senior manager of health policy for the group, which represents three million businesses.

Wal-Mart's support of a broad-based employer mandate is a shift from its previous stance on health-care overhaul and follows years of tussles with organized labor, which has failed in drives to unionize Wal-Mart's store workers. Two years ago, Wal-Mart joined with the SEIU, the country's largest union, to call for affordable health care for all Americans by 2012. The group called for lowering health-care costs and insuring more Americans.

In recent years, Wal-Mart has improved its health-care benefits, cutting its waiting time for earning benefits in half for both full- and part-time employees and offering more plan choices. About 52% of Wal-Mart's 1.4 million U.S. employees are covered by company-provided insurance, up from 46.2% three years ago. The retail industry average is 45%, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation 2008 study.

Wal-Mart isn't changing its policies. The company says it supports the employer mandate because all businesses should share the burden of fixing the health-care system. Wal-Mart also said the mandate will only work if it is accompanied by a government commitment to rein in health-care costs that is guaranteed.

Wal-Mart's support for a broad mandate also appears to be aimed at beating back an alternative that may be less favorable to the company. The Senate Finance Committee is considering a measure expected to result in a more burdensome health-insurance requirement for companies that have lower-wage workers. The company's letter said: "any alternative to an employer mandate should not create barriers to hiring entry level employees."

As the White House and Congress began floating proposals, Wal-Mart felt it needed to shape the debate, said Leslie Dach, Wal-Mart's executive vice president of corporate affairs and government relations.

"As a company, we believe the present health-care system is unsustainable and making the country's businesses less competitive in the global economy," said Mr. Dach, who delivered the letter Tuesday to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Mr. Dach is a former adviser to Democratic politicians.

In a meeting with officials behind the letter, Mr. Emanuel said, "Cost control and employer mandate are heads and tails of the same coin."

Most Republicans have opposed an employer mandate. "Congress cannot take actions placing burdens on businesses of any size that exacerbate our nation's economic woes," Rep. Roy Blunt (R. Mo.) said in response to Wal-Mart's announcement.

Labor groups such as SEIU not long ago criticized Wal-Mart for what they said were skimpy health benefits the world's largest retailer provided employees.

Nancy-Ann DeParle, head of the White House Office of Health Reform, said it is significant that Wal-Mart and the SEIU had joined on this.

"The rising cost of health care is hurting employers and employees alike, restricting businesses' ability to grow and keeping workers' wages flat," she said.



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Craig234

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Thsi is how change usually happens.

The rich oppose any change and want things as much in their favor as they can get.

Populat support builds for some change, and when faced with almost certainf defeat, the rich support a compromise.

That's the history of the progressive era, the New Deal, and most progress.

Wal-Mart also said the mandate will only work if it is accompanied by a government commitment to rein in health-care costs that is guaranteed.

Wal-Mart's support for a broad mandate also appears to be aimed at beating back an alternative that may be less favorable to the company. The Senate Finance Committee is considering a measure expected to result in a more burdensome health-insurance requirement for companies that have lower-wage workers.
 

JKing106

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Definitely a compromise. The Neocons are terrified. This is the company who was teaching it's employees how to collect Medicaid and food stamps. Employees they wouldn't employ full time, and made work off the clock, by the way.
 

ahenkel

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Part of me wonders if its due to the expansion of medical care services offered through wal-mart. I have a feeling the employee's of wal-mart would be "encouraged" to use in house services. I don't have a massive problem with that though it would keep costs down and hopefully get people to seek help earlier.
 

theeedude

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Shocking, but at the same time understandable. With the out of control health care inflation, companies have to decide whether to cover their employees or stay competitive.
 

TruePaige

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I have to wonder if this is a move to help eliminate competition.

Small businesses and Wal-Mart have employees who both get health care through taxes = level footing.

Small businesses have to provide insurance for a small group at a higher rate vs Wal-Mart on a giant group plan discount = Wal-Mart Advantage
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ahenkel
Topic Title: Wal-Mart supports employer mandated health care

No commentary? That rule thrown out while I was away???

Anyway, of course they support employer mandated health care.

This way they have an excuse to pay even less scale on wages.

 

ahenkel

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I suppose too it could be Wal-Mart taking a page from Otto Von Bismarck

The first universal health insurance system was forged and passed in 1883 by an archconservative, Germany's Otto von Bismarck. He and other nineteenth-century conservative leaders in Europe were early advocates of universal access to medical services, for they saw such services as a practical means to secure a more vigorous work force and recruit healthier soldiers.

If workers are healthy = more money.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ahenkel
I suppose too it could be Wal-Mart taking a page from Otto Von Bismarck

The first universal health insurance system was forged and passed in 1883 by an archconservative, Germany's Otto von Bismarck. He and other nineteenth-century conservative leaders in Europe were early advocates of universal access to medical services, for they saw such services as a practical means to secure a more vigorous work force and recruit healthier soldiers.

If workers are healthy = more money.

At a lower wage of course.

How bout no pay? Government housing and food stipends?
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
I have to wonder if this is a move to help eliminate competition.

Small businesses and Wal-Mart have employees who both get health care through taxes = level footing.

Small businesses have to provide insurance for a small group at a higher rate vs Wal-Mart on a giant group plan discount = Wal-Mart Advantage

I think small businesses are exempt, which actually puts Wal-Mart at a disadvantage. To really be fair, there would have to be small business mandate too, with some kind of pooling of risk to reduce costs. BTW, I think this is a last ditch effort to reform the current health insurance system to try to make it work. So chamber of commerce is being very short sighted in opposing it. The alternative to it is not status quo, it's universal single payer health care.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: TruePaige
I have to wonder if this is a move to help eliminate competition.

Small businesses and Wal-Mart have employees who both get health care through taxes = level footing.

Small businesses have to provide insurance for a small group at a higher rate vs Wal-Mart on a giant group plan discount = Wal-Mart Advantage

I think small businesses are exempt, which actually puts Wal-Mart at a disadvantage. To really be fair, there would have to be small business mandate too, with some kind of pooling of risk to reduce costs. BTW, I think this is a last ditch effort to reform the current health insurance system to try to make it work. So chamber of commerce is being very short sighted in opposing it. The alternative to it is not status quo, it's universal single payer health care.

Well it said small business...but didn't define small business.

So I wonder if small business means family? sub 10 people? sub 50? sub 100? sub 250?

Not sure what to think without a few more facts.
 

BoomerD

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Knowing Wal_mart, they'll be offering Chinese health care...a visit to the local lead-needle accupuncturist and poison herbalist for broken bones and heart attacks...
 

Mani

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It's hard to argue that something is inefficient if Wal-mart supports it.
 

PokerGuy

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I'd bet wal-mart has come up with some extremely cheap insurance plan that is essentially worthless to their employees. If they can force other companies to provide (more expensive) health care benefits, they win.

Yay for wal-mart asking for more government meddling into the private sector, we sure haven't seen a lot of that lately. :roll:
 

Thump553

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Mandated employer health coverage means nothing more than a continuation of the same unefficient, overpriced system we have now.

Don't kid yourself that Wal-Mart is taking this position for altruistic reasons or that it has the slightest interest in real reform of the medical services system. Their motivation is surely either (a) they think this will hurt their competitors worse than it will hurt Wal-Mart and/or (2) they think they will earn more $$ under a continuation and expansion of the present system than under any of the other proposals.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Thsi is how change usually happens.

The rich oppose any change and want things as much in their favor as they can get.

Populat support builds for some change, and when faced with almost certainf defeat, the rich support a compromise.

That's the history of the progressive era, the New Deal, and most progress.

Wal-Mart also said the mandate will only work if it is accompanied by a government commitment to rein in health-care costs that is guaranteed.

Wal-Mart's support for a broad mandate also appears to be aimed at beating back an alternative that may be less favorable to the company. The Senate Finance Committee is considering a measure expected to result in a more burdensome health-insurance requirement for companies that have lower-wage workers.

The progressive era is one of the worst in US history for it s long term effects on the nations citizens, wouldn't exactly be beating that banner as a sign of how to do things.

What is interesting about his change is that following the near total collapse in employer provided pension funds, with employers moving that cost to social security use and a compounding of the disaster when SS goes bust, to have it replaced by a health care fund that large companies will find cheaper than their old pension funds as the cost of current health coverag + new coverage would be less than the 2 previous. Funds, but the many small to moderate sized business that never gave a pension fund and probably don't provide health care either will be taking a rather substantial hit. Without a serious reduction in all the taxes, this should be a rather intolerable change to most small business types; can you imagine if say people that worked full time at mcd's all of the sudden had half their plan coverage payed for by the franchise operator.
 

brandonbull

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I wouldn't be surprised if Wal-Mart will provide in house medical and then turn around and get a government subsidy for being a medical provider and turn a nice profit.
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
I wouldn't be surprised if Wal-Mart will provide in house medical and then turn around and get a government subsidy for being a medical provider and turn a nice profit.

Wouldn't bother me. I'd like to see clinics staffed with RNs to take care of the hypochondriacs who want prescription drugs for the common cold. They also could take care of minor cuts needing stitches, school physicals, and other trivial stuff, leaving the MDs elsewhere for more necessary tasks.

If Wal-mart can provide that in all of their stores, it would be boon for everyone.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: brandonbull
I wouldn't be surprised if Wal-Mart will provide in house medical and then turn around and get a government subsidy for being a medical provider and turn a nice profit.

Wouldn't bother me. I'd like to see clinics staffed with RNs to take care of the hypochondriacs who want prescription drugs for the common cold. They also could take care of minor cuts needing stitches, school physicals, and other trivial stuff, leaving the MDs elsewhere for more necessary tasks.

If Wal-mart can provide that in all of their stores, it would be boon for everyone.

It would only be a boon to Wal-Mart. Their employees get crap insurance and Wal-Mart gets more money.

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: brandonbull
I wouldn't be surprised if Wal-Mart will provide in house medical and then turn around and get a government subsidy for being a medical provider and turn a nice profit.

Wouldn't bother me. I'd like to see clinics staffed with RNs to take care of the hypochondriacs who want prescription drugs for the common cold. They also could take care of minor cuts needing stitches, school physicals, and other trivial stuff, leaving the MDs elsewhere for more necessary tasks.

If Wal-mart can provide that in all of their stores, it would be boon for everyone.

I think they have something like this at my local Publix.
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: brandonbull
I wouldn't be surprised if Wal-Mart will provide in house medical and then turn around and get a government subsidy for being a medical provider and turn a nice profit.

Wouldn't bother me. I'd like to see clinics staffed with RNs to take care of the hypochondriacs who want prescription drugs for the common cold. They also could take care of minor cuts needing stitches, school physicals, and other trivial stuff, leaving the MDs elsewhere for more necessary tasks.

If Wal-mart can provide that in all of their stores, it would be boon for everyone.

It would only be a boon to Wal-Mart. Their employees get crap insurance and Wal-Mart gets more money.

I don't think that this sort of thing would result in crap insurance for Wal-mart employees. If Wal-mart wants to give them shitty insurance, they can do that already.
 

episodic

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Everyone should get at least the insurance coverage of their representatives and senators. Period. There should be no tolerance for low quality insurance.
 

Genx87

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This isnt as altruistic as some may believe. Walmart requiring their competitors to have health insurance with lower buying power puts the competitor at a disadvantage.
 

TruePaige

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I'm not going to support this.

UHC or bust, and I will write all my representatives to say they are getting voted against if that doesn't happen.
 

NaughtyGeek

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How long before this "mandated coverage" can be counted towards minimum wage? Yay, everyone that works has health care but needs food stamps cause they're pulling down a whoppin $1.25 /hr.