Wal-Mart Heir Killed in Plane Crash

[MaverickBP]

so technically the other walmart board members became richer!

 

[cerebusPu]

so who gets the 18billion dollars now?

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: cjchaps
Umm, in my personal experience the safest "plane" I've ever flown in was an ultralight. It was a glider with a small engine on it, and this was in Hawaii. The pilot bought the ultralight, so I assume they are semi-mass produced, or at least they are not experimental. The pilot said that if we lost the engine, we could easily travel to a safe landing spot(it acts basically the same as a hangblider)...

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
For the "Rich people shouldn't be pilots" crowd, FYI, he was flying an ULTRALIGHT. Basicly a bunch of balsa wood and a lawn mower engine ... not a real airplaine. Those people who strap a giant fan to their back and fly around with parachutes, that's another example of an ultralight. Ultralights are not your standard run of the mill airplane, they are basicly flying deathtraps. Most ultralights don't even require pilots licenses. If he had been flying a a "real" airplaine that requires a "real" pilots lisence, he would have MUCH better chances. Ultralights are like the motorcycles of the airplaine world, very dangerous. Even a small 2 seater Cessna with an aluminium frame is pretty damn safe. Though in general, two engine or better planes tend to be the safest. (If one engine goes out, you can usually limp along on one single engine to an airstrip.)

cjhaps is correct. If he crsahed right after takeoff, I'd place money that he tried to angle up too much too quickly, and the engine started to stall, he started to panic, tried to get the engine going and tried to point the nose up in the air again, the engine stalled a second time, by that time it's too late to do anything. 95% of ultralight accidents happen this way. The safest time to be in an ultralight is at 1000 feet or higher. Too many inexperienced ultralight pilots think that it's a rocketship that can be flown straight up.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
When will rich people learn to stop trying to pilot their own airplanes.

ultralight isn't even an airplane. an ultralight is to an airplane as a go-cart is to a Porsche.

 

[AntiEverything]

I don't understand Ornery's disdain for all dangerous activities. He must think everybody wants to grow old and unhappy just like him. Misery loves company, eh Ornery? Perhaps if you had enjoyed your life and taken a risk you might not be such an ass.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: cjchaps
Umm, in my personal experience the safest "plane" I've ever flown in was an ultralight. It was a glider with a small engine on it, and this was in Hawaii. The pilot bought the ultralight, so I assume they are semi-mass produced, or at least they are not experimental. The pilot said that if we lost the engine, we could easily travel to a safe landing spot(it acts basically the same as a hangblider)...

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
For the "Rich people shouldn't be pilots" crowd, FYI, he was flying an ULTRALIGHT. Basicly a bunch of balsa wood and a lawn mower engine ... not a real airplaine. Those people who strap a giant fan to their back and fly around with parachutes, that's another example of an ultralight. Ultralights are not your standard run of the mill airplane, they are basicly flying deathtraps. Most ultralights don't even require pilots licenses. If he had been flying a a "real" airplaine that requires a "real" pilots lisence, he would have MUCH better chances. Ultralights are like the motorcycles of the airplaine world, very dangerous. Even a small 2 seater Cessna with an aluminium frame is pretty damn safe. Though in general, two engine or better planes tend to be the safest. (If one engine goes out, you can usually limp along on one single engine to an airstrip.)

cjhaps is correct. If he crsahed right after takeoff, I'd place money that he tried to angle up too much too quickly, and the engine started to stall, he started to panic, tried to get the engine going and tried to point the nose up in the air again, the engine stalled a second time, by that time it's too late to do anything. 95% of ultralight accidents happen this way. The safest time to be in an ultralight is at 1000 feet or higher. Too many inexperienced ultralight pilots think that it's a rocketship that can be flown straight up.

I am a pilot, and have been reading NTSB reports for quite a few years.

It is really bad to guess at it, but the one thing about this accident that sounds possibly right:

A bad windshear event. When you are low and climbing out, they are almost impossible to survive in any light aircraft. A friend was killed 7 years ago at Rimrock Lake that way.

He got up to about 200 feet, climbing out, and the wind shear caused a total loss of lift.
Usually one wing stalls before the other, and you get a nifty little spin entry. That is not a problem at a respectable altitude, but at 200 feet, some metal is gonnna get bent minimum.

The ones bad enough to cause this kind of danger are rare, associated with certain types of frontal passages and conditions. The bummer is, they can be invisible. Dry microbursts are one form of plane slapping phenomena that is invisible to all but the most sophisticated ground based radar.

 

[Ornery]

I don't understand Ornery's disdain for all dangerous activities.

Married? Have kids? I do, and value those relationships more than "enjoying life by taking stupid risks!"

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: skyking

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: cjchaps
Umm, in my personal experience the safest "plane" I've ever flown in was an ultralight. It was a glider with a small engine on it, and this was in Hawaii. The pilot bought the ultralight, so I assume they are semi-mass produced, or at least they are not experimental. The pilot said that if we lost the engine, we could easily travel to a safe landing spot(it acts basically the same as a hangblider)...

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
For the "Rich people shouldn't be pilots" crowd, FYI, he was flying an ULTRALIGHT. Basicly a bunch of balsa wood and a lawn mower engine ... not a real airplaine. Those people who strap a giant fan to their back and fly around with parachutes, that's another example of an ultralight. Ultralights are not your standard run of the mill airplane, they are basicly flying deathtraps. Most ultralights don't even require pilots licenses. If he had been flying a a "real" airplaine that requires a "real" pilots lisence, he would have MUCH better chances. Ultralights are like the motorcycles of the airplaine world, very dangerous. Even a small 2 seater Cessna with an aluminium frame is pretty damn safe. Though in general, two engine or better planes tend to be the safest. (If one engine goes out, you can usually limp along on one single engine to an airstrip.)

cjhaps is correct. If he crsahed right after takeoff, I'd place money that he tried to angle up too much too quickly, and the engine started to stall, he started to panic, tried to get the engine going and tried to point the nose up in the air again, the engine stalled a second time, by that time it's too late to do anything. 95% of ultralight accidents happen this way. The safest time to be in an ultralight is at 1000 feet or higher. Too many inexperienced ultralight pilots think that it's a rocketship that can be flown straight up.

I am a pilot, and have been reading NTSB reports for quite a few years.

It is really bad to guess at it, but the one thing about this accident that sounds possibly right:

A bad windshear event. When you are low and climbing out, they are almost impossible to survive in any light aircraft. A friend was killed 7 years ago at Rimrock Lake that way.

He got up to about 200 feet, climbing out, and the wind shear caused a total loss of lift.
Usually one wing stalls before the other, and you get a nifty little spin entry. That is not a problem at a respectable altitude, but at 200 feet, some metal is gonnna get bent minimum.

The ones bad enough to cause this kind of danger are rare, associated with certain types of frontal passages and conditions. The bummer is, they can be invisible. Dry microbursts are one form of plane slapping phenomena that is invisible to all but the most sophisticated ground based radar.

You should be made elite for that post alone.

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I don't understand Ornery's disdain for all dangerous activities.

Married? Have kids? I do, and value those relationships more than "enjoying life by taking stupid risks!"

I agree with you to a point, and you guys may not be specifically talking about this specific accident anymore, but it seems that many people have pointed out that this plane was very safe to fly in. Unfortunate accidents do occur, maybe the chances of this happening to someone that can fly a plane is less than the chance of him dying in an auto accident on his way to a stock holder meeting

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I don't understand Ornery's disdain for all dangerous activities.

Married? Have kids? I do, and value those relationships more than "enjoying life by taking stupid risks!"

Yes and yes. Honestly, if you were my father, I wouldn't want you around anyway with your piss poor take on everything enjoyable Cpt. Cranky.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I don't understand Ornery's disdain for all dangerous activities.

Married? Have kids? I do, and value those relationships more than "enjoying life by taking stupid risks!"

i'm with you ornery.

how is being addicted to adrenalin rushes from danger, any different from being addicted to any other drug?

for a temporary high you risk everything. what exactly is so great about that?

for me, my life is about my relationships with my family, wife, kids, parents and my siblings.

i don't need adrenalin rushes to make my life any better.

 

[Ornery]

...many people have pointed out that this plane was very safe to fly in.

Uh, I think I missed that. Anyway, it's FAR more dangerous than riding a motorcycle, and I have issues with that, so this activity is way over the top in my book.

 

[Deeko]

I saved this thread over the course of my banning because I felt it necessary to point out that some of you are complete assholes and deserve a worse fate yourselves.

 

[PhlashFoto]

Darwin - 1
Rich Guy - 0

 

[xaeniac]

RIP junior

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I saved this thread over the course of my banning because I felt it necessary to point out that some of you are complete assholes and deserve a worse fate yourselves.

LOL

*welcomes you back and give you a big :thumbsup:*

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Deeko
I saved this thread over the course of my banning because I felt it necessary to point out that some of you are complete assholes and deserve a worse fate yourselves.

LOL

*welcomes you back and give you a big :thumbsup:*

You know how I roll :beer:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ELopes580
Darwin - 1
Rich Guy - 0

Walton was an Army veteran who served with the Green Berets as a medic during the Vietnam War. He was awarded the Silver Star for saving the lives of several members of his unit while under enemy fire, according to the company. He attended the College of Wooster in Wooster, Ohio, and served as a board member of the Walton Family Foundation.

The company said Walton pursued a variety of business interests including working as a crop duster in the 1970s and building boats in the 1980s. More recently, he had formed a holding company, True North, to oversee various business interests.

Walton is survived by his wife, Christy, and son, Luke; his mother, Helen; two brothers, Rob and Jim; and a sister, Alice.

The guy was a hero AND a father.

Darwin loses twice.

Bunch of class envying assholes in this thread.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u.../20050628/ap_on_re_us/obit_john_walton

 

[Deeko]

Seriously.

Anyone who says he's evil and destroyed his father's vision...fvck off, he's a damn good business man, and that STILL doesn't mean he deserves death.

Anyone who says he's an idiot for taking risks when he had it all, so he deserves it, fvck off, he had money, so he wanted some thrills. It works for some people(Branson). It doesn't for others. At least he enjoyed his life rather than just sitting on his money.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: daveymark

I'd place money that he tried to angle up too much too quickly, and the engine started to stall, he started to panic, tried to get the engine going and tried to point the nose up in the air again, the engine stalled a second time, by that time it's too late to do anything. 95% of ultralight accidents happen this way.

You do understand that when you "stall" a plane from trying to climb too quickly it has nothing to do with the engine stalling, right?

Or are you actually talking about bogging the engine? The engine shouldn't bog even if you're sitting still and you have it at full throttle.

 

[Ornery]

Anyone who says he's an idiot for taking risks when he had it all, so he deserves it...

Where'd you get that quote from, shltferbrains?

He's an idiot for taking that risk whether he "had it all, or not". It's a death wish. All the more stupid because he could easily afford a more safe alternative. But, I'm sure his family doesn't mind his absence, because he enjoyed his life... :roll:

Fvck off yourself, and crawl back in your hole.