Wal-Mart Discriminates Against Women By Denying Insurance Coverage For Birth Control

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think there are two issues here being addresses at the same time

First- Is Wal-Mart LEGALLY obligated to make OC's covered by virture of anti-discrimination laws. I still say no. This is too broad an interpretation IMO

Second- Should they be covered? Yes, for many of the reasons discussed. DaveS and Vi are correct in that companies are short sighted. It does make more sense than paying for a kiddie and associated costs, or causing abortions to be used as retroactive birth control. Now if someone wants to make a law requiring coverage, then I can tolerate that. Using class a class action suit in this was is wrong. It is misleading at best.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh FYI,
Many insurances allow OC coverage if there is medical necessity. I do not know, but would not be suprised it this applies to WalMart

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Boy you would have loved the late 19th and early 20th Century Ornery."

The biggest problem back then was the change from agricultural economy to an industrial one. Not enough jobs to go around. Why did people insist on migrating to that type of work? Again, were these huge steel mills, railroads and coal mines supposed to go into business for the good of mankind? It's undeniable that our whole society benefited in the end. The more these companies thrived, the more smaller businesses were able to spring up. More jobs!

Yeah 80 hours a week with sh!t pay, deplorable working conditions and zero benefits.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Boy you would have loved the late 19th and early 20th Century Ornery."

The biggest problem back then was the change from agricultural economy to an industrial one. Not enough jobs to go around. Why did people insist on migrating to that type of work? Again, were these huge steel mills, railroads and coal mines supposed to go into business for the good of mankind? It's undeniable that our whole society benefited in the end. The more these companies thrived, the more smaller businesses were able to spring up. More jobs!

Yeah 80 hours a week with sh!t pay, deplorable working conditions and zero benefits.

Yeah and Red should know....he was there!


amish 😉

 

[CurtCold]

"Wal-Mart, which employs more than 1 million people, 80 percent of whom are women, reportedly saves about $5 million a month by denying prescription contraceptive coverage to its female employees"



Most major Health care providers done cover contraceptives. Premiums are already high enough as it is, without having to cover something else.


Besides they have another means of birth control that they can use anyway.......hmmmmmm

 

[BlamoHammer]

Do they have insurance coverage for condoms?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Boy you would have loved the late 19th and early 20th Century Ornery."

The biggest problem back then was the change from agricultural economy to an industrial one. Not enough jobs to go around. Why did people insist on migrating to that type of work? Again, were these huge steel mills, railroads and coal mines supposed to go into business for the good of mankind? It's undeniable that our whole society benefited in the end. The more these companies thrived, the more smaller businesses were able to spring up. More jobs!

Yeah 80 hours a week with sh!t pay, deplorable working conditions and zero benefits.

Yeah and Red should know....he was there!


amish 😉

DOH!!!! Hahaha🙂

 

[Ornery]

"Yeah 80 hours a week with sh!t pay, deplorable working conditions and zero benefits"

It's still hard to understand how, or why, they could get themselves bent over a barrel like that. If they had been willing to keep working on their grandparent's farms instead, they wouldn't have been in that pickle, right? Or maybe any job is better than none at all? I bet our Mexican neighbors could answer that. Either not enough businesses were nurtured or too many people were willing to take those "horrible" jobs. WTF did they do for a living 20 years before? What stopped them from going back to it?

The best thing our government could do now, is the same as back then. Help businesses get started and keep going, instead of throwing more and more regulations, red tape and lawsuits at our current ones. We should spend more time and money adding more businesses to a sweatshop economy, than trying to solve the problem with unions and the violence they bring.

 

[BoberFett]

Ornery

I can't say what was going through the minds of those working during the industrial revolution. My guess would be greed. The companies offered them "riches" (the term is subjective) and they thought it sounded better than working with mom and dad on the farm.

It's the citizens of this country that put the corporations in power, by working for them in exchange for a pittance.

I'm not going to argue the benefits of specialization here, I know how it works. But we let the beast out ourselves, and now we're reaping what we've sown, both good and bad.

 

[stev0]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
#2. You don't like you find another god damned job

ditto.

 

[Swanny]

The company has the right to choose what it covers with insurance and what it doesn't. They should just be glad they get health insurance.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Swanny
The company has the right to choose what it covers with insurance and what it doesn't. They should just be glad they get health insurance.

They should be happy to have healthy employees who don't miss time constantly for maternity leave.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Ornery

I can't say what was going through the minds of those working during the industrial revolution. My guess would be greed. The companies offered them "riches" (the term is subjective) and they thought it sounded better than working with mom and dad on the farm.

It's the citizens of this country that put the corporations in power, by working for them in exchange for a pittance.

I'm not going to argue the benefits of specialization here, I know how it works. But we let the beast out ourselves, and now we're reaping what we've sown, both good and bad.

Actually I think that if you look at the immigration patterns at the time, it wasn't the farmers coming off the farm, it was immigrants going to work in the factories.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Ornery

I can't say what was going through the minds of those working during the industrial revolution. My guess would be greed. The companies offered them "riches" (the term is subjective) and they thought it sounded better than working with mom and dad on the farm.

It's the citizens of this country that put the corporations in power, by working for them in exchange for a pittance.

I'm not going to argue the benefits of specialization here, I know how it works. But we let the beast out ourselves, and now we're reaping what we've sown, both good and bad.

I'm not even going to pretend to have a clue! I'm just guessing. I do know there are a hell of a lot of people around the world that would LOVE to get where we are. We've got pretty darn comfortable living standards, even on the lowest rungs. Not many people have to work more than 40 or 50 hours per week to have it all, either. If we were more willing to live under one roof with our extended families, we could work far less and still have a warm place to sleep, food three times a day and cable TV to boot! Not bad compared to the average citizen around the world, especially the third world.

We suffered through a sweat shop economy to get here, and it looks like they are too. Honestly, if their governments wanted to soften the blow, they'd do well to get more jobs to these folks. Is it really that hard to do? I just don't get it... 😕

 

[ElFenix]

insurance is a contract between the insurer and the insured. this is often lost in the "insurance companies denied my claim/didn't cover me/whatnot" lawsuits.

 

[ChefJoe]

Will they reimburse me for condoms?

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: ChefJoe
Will they reimburse me for condoms?

Nothing to worry about. Pregnancy only occurs in a heterosexual relationship.

 

[glenn1]

this poll makes me so mad i cant even express my disgust with most of you.

Too bad.

That is a legitimate reason for which I have NO problem with an insurance company covering.

Then choose a healthcare provider that covers it. I don't want to have to spend extra premiums covering all the things you think should be covered. You have a policy that tells you exactly what's covered, if you don't like it, choose another carrier.

They should be happy to have healthy employees who don't miss time constantly for maternity leave.

They aren't, because they don't. Ever hear of the Family and Medical Leave Act?

Yeah 80 hours a week with sh!t pay, deplorable working conditions and zero benefits.

And why is this our problem? Because society forced them to drop out of school or otherwise only be competitive to fill a minimum wage job gathering stray shopping carts?

 

[Viper GTS]

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Then choose a healthcare provider that covers it. I don't want to have to spend extra premiums covering all the things you think should be covered. You have a policy that tells you exactly what's covered, if you don't like it, choose another carrier.

So did you actually read what I have posted thus far?

My point was this:

- I have no problem with a carrier covering contraceptives for reasons other than birth control. It has legitimate uses besides it's original intent.
- I do have a problem with them covering birth control for the sake of birth control, as it is a medical convenience - Not a necessity.

I don't need birth control (I'm a guy), but under circumstances where a girlfriend/wife/whatever WOULD need it, I'll pay for it. It's ridiculous for insurance to cover it.

Viper GTS

 

[glenn1]

- I have no problem with a carrier covering contraceptives for reasons other than birth control. It has legitimate uses besides it's original intent.
- I do have a problem with them covering birth control for the sake of birth control, as it is a medical convenience - Not a necessity.

Okay, my apologies for misunderstanding your position. I personally could care less if the insurer chooses to cover it, so long as its their decision, and not forced on them unilaterally by a court. That way if i want to choose a carrier that covers it (and pay the extra implied premium) i can, or i can choose another carrier and enjoy the cost savings instead.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Yeah 80 hours a week with sh!t pay, deplorable working conditions and zero benefits.

And why is this our problem? Because society forced them to drop out of school or otherwise only be competitive to fill a minimum wage job gathering stray shopping carts?

You are taking my post out of context. I was replying to Ornery's comment regarding the Industrial Revolution.

Originally posted by: Ornery

We should spend more time and money adding more businesses to a sweatshop economy, than trying to solve the problem with unions and the violence they bring.

WTF? You must be joking. If it weren't for those deplorable conditions caused by sweatshop conditions there wouldn't have been any need for unions.

 

[charrison]

Actually I think the point that everyone on this thread has missed is this:

Birth control pills should not covered under any insurance plan period. These are a regularly scheduled expense. Insurance is supposed to be for the unanticpated events, not the normal predicatable ones.

Pay for your own meds, and enjoy lower premiums.

 

[BDawg]

I still gotta think it's cheaper to cover birth control than the baby and pregnant woman which might occur in lieu of.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: charrison
Actually I think the point that everyone on this thread has missed is this: Birth control pills should not covered under any insurance plan period. These are a regularly scheduled expense. Insurance is supposed to be for the unanticpated events, not the normal predicatable ones. Pay for your own meds, and enjoy lower premiums.

Not quite. Insurance is a method of cost sharing. Now it is true that paying for your own medications would decrease premiums, but I do not think you know how much medications are these days. If not for prescription coverage, many would be destitute.

 

[gopunk]

[ i]Originally posted by[/i]: Ornery

We should spend more time and money adding more businesses to a sweatshop economy, than trying to solve the problem with unions and the violence they bring.

WTF? You must be joking. If it weren't for those deplorable conditions caused by sweatshop conditions there wouldn't have been any need for unions.[/quote]

my guess is that his theory is that demand for labor increases, and employers will improve conditions + wages on their own.

i dunno about that, as the profit from sweatshops decreases (with benefits, safety, etc), less people/companies will want to have them.