Wake up America!

[markjs]

Wake up America!

My most important and inspired writing yet?!?
Wow the political climate in the nation is quickly becoming a horror show. What we actually need is folks willing to look at issues individually and making decisions based on effectiveness and solving problems, not serving a radical agenda left or right.
We need a radical centrist movement. The religious right and the political right want us to accept no regulation on industry, allowing private industry to rip us off with everything from sub prime mortgage and raping the environment, denying environmental responsibility, and keeping the power elite fat and rich.

The extremists of the religious right would like to regulate morality, force Christianity on us, and demonize non Christian or non religious people. They want control over us. They want to treat gays, who are proven to be a genetically different subset of the population, like it is a choice (as if anyone would choose it), and treat them as less than human. They want to start a "christian jihad" against the rest of the world and spread fear and loathing. They have no understanding about Jesus teaching love and tolerance and do not abide with Christ's teachings. Since when is judgment and hatred of other people a Christian tenet? Don’t get me wrong, most religious people are good decent folks, but the extremists make the whole lot frightening. The obnoxious vocal minority that so proudly proclaims to be the “religious right” are seldom really religious or right, they are just sheeple that fear what they don’t understand and hate what they fear. Even so, it is not ours to hate them or condemn them in retaliation, but to try and teach by example, how to really abide by that golden rule!

The radical left would allow too much regulation, an oppressive tax structure, and support this insane trial lawyer system where everyone sues as a get rich scheme. The trouble is the Democrats that purport to stand for the little man are bought off too by different special interest. It is all lunacy from both sides.

And then the right and the left tells good American "moderates" that we stand for nothing and have no morals or beliefs and treat us as if we are stupid.

This is somewhat deserved, as we sit idly by and let radicals with radical agendas do what they will, without standing up for sanity and sense! As a centrist, I stand for balance and taking ideas that work above a party line or agenda. Treating issues individually and working for solutions that work, and not hitching my wagon to one party because of one hot button issue and ignoring the evil corruption behind these people, just because of say a desire to see socialized medicine, or perhaps a belief about a minor issue like abortion. Granted people feel strongly about these issues but in the final analysis, to blindly follow a philosophy that is wrong, just because of a sticking point is wrong. Sometimes tough compromise is the right thing, and someone has to be willing to work towards it.

I didn't like Bush, I don't like Obama and there are things terribly wrong with both, but to believe that either was completely evil and out to destroy their nation is ludicrous! They are more similar than anyone cares to admit. The president though does not wield as much power as the average American believes anyway. Congress, both the house senate are the bad guys and it is because of the lobbyist system. Special interests can buy our elected officials votes and it is wrong! Term limits and an end to lobbyists is essential if this nation is going to be guided by its people or by the money. Money is a tool and is not an evil in and of itself, but the love of it is the root of evil. We do need sensible regulation, not radical agendas. We are served well by many areas of government and we should not demand to pay no taxes, but we neither should be expected to be hurt by the burden.

Answer me this; would you prefer that your doctor be in it primarily for the money he can make off your illness, or to help people and live the essence of the Hippocratic Oath to first do no harm rather than to first make a buck? The whole medicine for profit thing is a fundamentally flawed concept. This is one thing that should be a right and a service and not a business and a privilege of only those who can afford it.

So we need to rise up, and I don't mean angrily, violently, but with peaceful dissent, call your congressmen and women, and demand that they serve our best interests, and be active and be a radical movement for sense and an end to partisan politics. Run for office on these principles if you feel you can make a positive difference! Martin Luther King did more for blacks (and all of us) than a hundred Malcolm Xs and or Reverend Sharptons, or any such men of any race (not to take anything from them, as they do some good despite their flaws). To peacefully resist and respectfully disagree and work together we can make so much more difference than we can with angry protests, tea parties, brandishing weapons! Treat each other with respect and tolerance, yet stand up for the people's best interests, and we can achieve so much! Teach each other things we know in our hearts as right, don't preach from mountain tops with arrogance, this is what I believe is our only hope. Be willing and open to learn where others are right too, we can take our country back without anger and strife, but with respect and openness. Nobody likes to be told “I am right, do it my way and shut up”, but everyone likes to learn new things that make everyone better off without judgment or condescension.

I have expressed strong ideas here, I am no better than any of you and I don't have every answer, but some of what I say I know in my heart is right on the mark and I think if we all open our minds and hearts to such concepts we know deep down that it is right. I am not on a mountain top and I am wrong sometimes, but we know, deep down what is right and wrong, but when we need to talk ourselves into out positions on things, when we need to convince ourselves with complex arguments that we are right are we not surely astray?

It is my sincere belief that the fundamental idea of God (and in my mind it just stands for good orderly direction, and the connection of all living things in spirit, does not deny nor confirm any religions, so long as the people preach love and not hate) is deep within every person and only can be found in our hearts and spirits. Sure some supposed "men of god" or religion are self serving with evil agendas, but others of those very same religions know about love and tolerance of our fellow man and doing right by others the best they can. I personally know wonderful people who are everything from atheists, to Christians to Muslims, Taoists and Buddhists, even Hindus, that all have this concept down. We need to look at the similarities and not the differences in my opinion. The golden rule is essentially all that matters. "The Spirit" of benevolence is within us all and can be obscured by calamity, pomp or worship of other things, but it is in all of us, that conscience, that subtle voice in our hearts that tells us right from wrong, and it is only selfish will when we go against it.

Well I have said my peace and feel much better for having done so. Just try to walk a mile in the other guy's shoes before you judge too harshly and follow that golden rule. I hope some of you who read this got something good from it, but I did and that is what matters most to me.

May the universe bless you all with that which I want for myself; love for my existence and all those about me, understanding and enlightenment? Have wonderful holidays all of you!

-One simple American man, no better or worse than any of you….

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Link plx.

 

[Tab]

tl;dr

 

[markjs]

What? I don't understand either reply?!?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

What? I don't understand wither reply?!?

Did you write that? If not, GA is looking for a link to who did.

 

[Craig234]

markjs, your post sounds heartfelt, and it's good to see you get more involved as a citizen.

It's a long post - I should know, to beat people to it - and I'm not up to a detailed reply now.

But I would encourage you, based on the sound of it, not to start out painting yourself into a corner on right/center/left, have an open mind and get informed. anmd then worry about labels.

I'd point ou to my sig and suggest you check a few things at random for a start. They're liberal, and I also think theyre correct. You can judge for yourself of course. I'm interested in your opinion then.

 

[markjs]

markjs, your post sounds heartfelt, and it's good to see you get more involved as a citizen.

It's a long post - I should know, to beat people to it - and I'm not up to a detailed reply now.

But I would encourage you, based on the sound of it, not to start out painting yourself into a corner on right/center/left, have an open mind and get informed. anmd then worry about labels.

I'd point ou to my sig and suggest you check a few things at random for a start. They're liberal, and I also think theyre correct. You can judge for yourself of course. I'm interested in your opinion then.

Oh yes I am the original author and I also have a tidbit that I wrote in a reply to someones reply at Hardwarecentral. I Am trying to stay away from a political label, but best as I understand me I'd have to say I just take what I think is right from any standpoint and incorporate it into my politics. I am trying to stay neutral for purposes in reaching everyone without minds snapping shut like steel traps due to someone perceiving me as something contrary to their views. Still everything I say about me makes it easier for people to think they know.... I just think this one response was quite a good explanation of how I feel about where we should be as a people, and seemed very apropos to the subject matter....

I think we all suffer from our prejudices about things we assume, that are not necessarily true. You personally may not be as susceptible to a party like Democrats or Republicans, but life experience and disagreeing with any one person on one hot button issue can tempt us (any human) to "throw the baby out with the bathwater".

A good example for me is Sarah Palin. I am tempted to loath and despise the woman and want her run off the political horizon based on a few issues and things about her I VERY strongly disagree with. In many cases I think I am right and she is wrong, and I really feel that in my conscience. That though sometimes blinds me to that she has many good points and qualities and there are things she is very right about, even ones I don't understand as well as I maybe should.

After all her and I are both human, both have the same human wants needs and desires, even if we believe differently and express them differently. It is just simply bad for me to entirely discount or especially personally dislike or hate the woman when I do not even truly know her at all. It is much better when I can see what I disagree with her about, and look at where we agree as more important, open my mind to where she is right and work to understand better where she is coming from and why, and hopefully by being open to her and embracing her as a fellow American with every right to her own opinions. If I knew her and had to deal with her if I approached things in this more constructive way, she would probably be much more inclined to treat me the same way, thus coming to greater understanding, some compromise, and ultimately both being better people for having that understanding.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Wake up America!

My most important and inspired writing yet?!?

Wow the political climate in the nation is quickly becoming a horror show.

Compared to?

What we actually need is folks willing to look at issues individually and making decisions based on effectiveness and solving problems, not serving a radical agenda left or right.

Yes, I agree to a point. Blindly following is not good, but many people try to label people who believe in and live by a core set of ideals as "radical" and thus assuming they are "serving a radical agenda"

We need a radical centrist movement.

No we don't.

The religious right and the political right want us to accept no regulation on industry, allowing private industry to rip us off with everything from sub prime mortgage and raping the environment, denying environmental responsibility, and keeping the power elite fat and rich.

lol, you have no idea what the "right" wants if you really think that.

The religious right would like to regulate morality, force Christianity on us, and demonize non Christian or non religious people. They want control over us. They want to treat gays, who are proven to be a genetically different subset of the population, like it is a choice (as if anyone would choose it), and treat them as less than human. They want to start a "christian jihad" against the rest of the world and spread fear and loathing. They have no understanding about Jesus teaching love and tolerance and do not abide with Christ's teachings.

You sure do think you know a lot about "they", their motives, and end game. Here's a clue - you don't know anything about "they" and it's proven by your broad brush strokes assumptions

Since when is judgment and hatred a Christian tenet?

It's not. You are assuming things are "hatred" and judging when many times they are not. Here's a clue - just because I do not believe something should be codified by the Federal gov't does not mean I "hate" or am judging anyone. Also, Just because someone believes something is immoral does not mean they are judging those who practice such immoral things. Hate the sin - not the sinner?

The radical left would allow too much regulation, an oppressive tax structure, and support this insane trial lawyer system where everyone sues as a get rich scheme. The trouble is the Democrats that purport to stand for the little man are bought off too by different special interest. It is all lunacy from both sides.

This was a nice attempt at trying to make yourself seem "fair" or some such nonsense but clearly a 1-2 sentence position on the "left" is quite paltry compared to your rant about the "right"

And then the right and the left tells good American "moderates" that we stand for nothing and have no morals or beliefs and treat us as if we are stupid.

So you claim you are a "moderate"? go figure. The problem I have with self-proclaimed "moderates" is they are rarely actually "moderates" or "centrists". Just because you(generic) hold one or two positions on one side doesn't negate the ones from the other. Now I as a Conservative have no problems with actual "moderates" if they can know and show where they stand on issues or can list core ideals - but sadly this is not the case with today's supposed "moderates" or "centrists". It's usually because they just don't want to be labeled that they try to cloak themselves in the "moderate" robe.

This is somewhat deserved, as we sit idly by and let radicals with radical agendas do what they will, without standing up for sanity and sense! As a centrist, I stand for balance and taking ideas that work above a party line or agenda.

I as a Conservative would love to see ideas that work presented - party be damned. However, sadly, this is not the reality of our system.

Treating issues individually and working for solutions that work,

Yes, sounds great.

and not hitching my wagon to one party because of one hot button issue and ignoring the evil corruption behind these people, just because of say a desire to see socialized medicine, or perhaps a belief about a minor issue like abortion. Granted people feel strongly about these issues but in the final analysis, to blindly follow a philosophy that is wrong, just because of a sticking point is wrong.

Eh? "blindly"? I'll agree with you. Take out "blindly" and it's a whole new ballgame though. You see, those of us who have a core set of ideals may and usually do have issues that we will not allow ourselves to compromise on, because in doing so, it compromises the core ideals we try to live by. But again, with "blindly" in there you will get no argument from me.

Sometimes tough compromise is the right thing, and someone has to be willing to work towards it.

Again, only if it doesn't compromise core ideals.

I didn't like Bush, I don't like Obama and there are things terribly wrong with both, but to believe that either was completely evil and out to destroy their nation is ludicrous!

True

They are more similar than anyone cares to admit.

In the context of strictly American politics? Not so much.

The president though does not wield as much power as the average American believes anyway. Congress, both the house senate are the bad guys and it is because of the lobbyist system. Special interests can buy our elected officials votes and it is wrong!

duh

Term limits and an end to lobbyists is essential if this nation is going to be guided by its people or by the money.

Term limits does not fully address the lobby issue. Also, how to you plan to put an "end to lobbyists"?

Money is a tool and is not an evil in and of itself, but the love of it is the root of evil. We do need sensible regulation, not radical agendas. We are served well by many areas of government and we should not demand to pay no taxes, but we neither should be expected to be hurt by the burden.

Sure. Even that awful "right" you ranted about above doesn't believe there should be "no" gov't but rather a "just enough" gov't as the framers laid out.

Answer me this; would you prefer that your doctor be in it primarily for the money he can make off your illness, or to help people and live the essence of the Hippocratic Oath to first do no harm rather than to first make a buck?

Ascribing intentions to people seems to be a theme of yours. Does a doctor's motivation to become one have any bearing on how good they are? You seem to insinuate it does. I don't think that's normally the case. Sure, you might find some who are only in it for the money and are also bad doctors but you can't say that all of them in it for the money are "bad" doctors. I am an engineer. I am in it for the money - not because I want my customer's equipment to run better or more efficient. Does that make me a "bad" engineer?

The whole medicine for profit thing is a fundamentally flawed concept.

No it's not. It's today's implementation of it that is flawed because we as people/patients have our costs shifted so we don't have a vested interest in our health.

This is one thing that should be a right and a service and not a business and a privilege of only those who can afford it.

Are you going to be a volunteer doctor? Sorry but I don't want a volunteer doctor - I want the best that I can get.

So we need to rise up, and I don't mean angrily, violently, but with peaceful dissent, call your congressmen and women, and demand that they serve our best interests, and be active and be a radical movement for sense and an end to partisan politics. Run for office on these principles if you feel you can make a positive difference! Martin Luther King did more for blacks (and all of us) than a hundred Malcolm Xs and or Reverend Sharptons, or any such men of any race (not to take anything from them, as they do some good despite their flaws). To peacefully resist and respectfully disagree and work together we can make so much more difference than we can with angry protests, tea parties, brandishing weapons! Treat each other with respect and tolerance, yet stand up for the people's best interests, and we can achieve so much! Teach each other things we know in our hearts as right, don't preach from mountain tops with arrogance, this is what I believe is our only hope. Be willing and open to learn where others are right too, we can take our country back without anger and strife, but with respect and openness. Nobody likes to be told “I am right, do it my way and shut up”, but everyone likes to learn new things that make everyone better off without judgment or condescension.

can I get an Amen! /me waves hand in the air! Oh wait... back to reality.

I have expressed strong ideas here, I am no better than any of you and I don't have every answer, but some of what I say I know in my heart is right on the mark and I think if we all open our minds and hearts to such concepts we know deep down that it is right. I am not on a mountain top and I am wrong sometimes, but we know, deep down what is right and wrong, but when we need to talk ourselves into out positions on things, when we need to convince ourselves with complex arguments that we are right are we not surely astray?

It is my sincere belief that the fundamental idea of God (and in my mind it just stands for good orderly direction, and the connection of all living things in spirit, does not deny nor confirm any religions, so long as the people preach love and not hate) is deep within every person and only can be found in our hearts and spirits. Sure some supposed "men of god" or religion are self serving with evil agendas, but others of those very same religions know about love and tolerance of our fellow man and doing right by others the best they can. I personally know wonderful people who are everything from atheists, to Christians to Muslims, Taoists and Buddhists, even Hindus, that all have this concept down. We need to look at the similarities and not the differences in my opinion. The golden rule is essentially all that matters. "The Spirit" of benevolence is within us all and can be obscured by calamity, pomp or worship of other things, but it is in all of us, that conscience, that subtle voice in our hearts that tells us right from wrong, and it is only selfish will when we go against it.

Well I have said my peace and feel much better for having done so. Just try to walk a mile in the other guy's shoes before you judge too harshly and follow that golden rule. I hope some of you who read this got something good from it, but I did and that is what matters most to me.

May the universe bless you all with that which I want for myself; love for my existence and all those about me, understanding and enlightenment? Have wonderful holidays all of you!

-One simple American man, no better or worse than any of you….

No real comment on your verbose closing paragraphs.

Oh, and just in case you didn't catch the hint - I don't believe for one minute that you are a "moderate". I could be wrong but having only your OP to go on - there is no way. There is much to prove to be a "moderate" - not just ranting against "both sides".

 

[markjs]

....Typical partisan BS....

OK so I am assuming things about people who push religion and tell me socialized medicine is evil and tell me Obama a communist. People support American dominance in all things and being the biggest bullies on the block, and assume the rest of the world should be just like us, yet you have me pigeonholed because you are so superior? Is that what you mean? Rubbish! These people I speak of clearly admit to these beliefs and aims, but I am just wrong about them? Nonsense!

I am not interested in your right wing agenda and this was never about that. I am indeed a centrist on every political compass test you could give to me I lean socially slightly left, but centrist in general. I admit most of the hot button issues I spoke of I tend to dislike conservative positions, and that is a lot because it is conservatives calling for upheaval and even violently forcing you ideas on all of us.

Congratulations in missing my point entirely, turning it into a partisan political argument when it is not about that, and being the pot calling what you wrongly assume is a kettle black.

You appear to be one more interested in where others are wrong and you are right, than one who considers what is better for the greater good in my opinion and I hope someday you might see some light. This is exactly typical of what I expect form hard line right wingers, and I regretfully admit that this is the kind of thing that causes those who do not share your beliefs to slam shut their minds like an iron gate! I hate that I am not immune to that myself. It seems to me to be the epitome of the culture of selfishness and the greedy love of money and screw everyone else that I fear.

To everyone else I apologize for even thinking we could talk about this without getting all partisan and bashing each other's ideologies about, what the hell was I thinking?

BTW I might have been interested in folks feelings of what I said but I am not at all interested in partisan debate here, so please do not try to further engage me, as I will play no more of that game with you. Debate someone who cares more than I am trying not to.

 

[StageLeft]

I'm afraid we're all along for the ride, nothing we can do about what is going to happen in the grand scheme, just position our own lives and families to best deal with the future.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

BTW I might have been interested in folks feelings of what I said but I am not at all interested in partisan debate here, so please do not try to further engage me, as I will play no more of that game with you. Debate someone who cares more than I am trying not to.

Ah, so another craig234 who can't handle when someone dares challenge what they post.
Also, there was no "partisan debate" in my reply as it is not a R/D reply. I know who I am as a Conservative and challenged your proclamation of "moderate" as well as other things you posted. If you post here about your ideas and thoughts but can't take them being challenged - why post them at all?

That being said - I don't think you are terribly off track with your OP - just challenging your assumptions and conclusions. Sorry you can't take being challenged on your beliefs/ideas/thoughts.

 

[markjs]

I'm afraid we're all along for the ride, nothing we can do about what is going to happen in the grand scheme, just position our own lives and families to best deal with the future.

All too true!

CADsortaGuy, another piece of BS I expect out of a right winger, and you STILL don't get it?!? Regarless of what you say it doesn't make me a liberal. If I was here to debate policy and politics, I'd be all over you challenging my positions and laying the smackdown!

I recently got banned (for no real good reason) from a place called Off Topic Central coincidentally dominated by conservatives, and subsequently realized I am not interested in debating politics just now anymore. My banning there wasn't really about my positions, they were pretty open to debate, just mostly personal BS and personal grudges that had nothing at all to do with rule violations or prevailing opinions, and in fact there are no hard feelings between me and most of the cons, and I am even friends with a couple. See I have my opinions and you have yours, and no amount of arguing does a damn thing constructive other than mental masturbation which is well and good if only because it keeps one's mind exercised, but never seems to serve any other worthwhile purpose. I am out of the debate.

My purpose in writing what I did is to try and unite people into taking action and trying to understand each other, and most folks have taken it at face value. You are the first to point out all the ways in which you think I am liberal and wrong, and seem to miss that I'd just like to see politicians stop chasing money and star working nicely, respectfully for the greater good of the people and ending the current (and former when Bush was da man) witch hunts! Constructive compromise is the operative word.

Please, understand I am not trying to argue, look down on you or any of that, I just don't give a flying F about what your conservative beliefs are and have no wish to try and enlighten you with my positions and ideas either. I just wanted to impress upon everyone that everything we need to know we learned in kindergarten, and that all the vitriol in the nation today is only hurting us all.

Please, try and read again what I wrote about my feelings on Palin and take to heart what I said and just try not to bash folks you disagree with for once and maybe try to think about what it might be like from their perspective first!

Happy Holidays.

 

[markjs]

Oh yeah one other thing for everyone. I am a recovered alcoholic and addict and I work a 12 step program (AA and NA). Around the "program" we have a saying; would you rather be happy or right?

Think about that one a bit. It took me a long time to catch the meaning I understand now.

And also we have a saying called rule #62. Don't take yourself too damn seriously. Many have since added, rule #63, don't take anyone else so damn seriously!

 

[Ozoned]

We are a collective society now. Individual progress is rare. Most progress, good and bad, comes from group efforts. You can choose the left, or the right. For what matters, that's all there is.


The centrists are a creation. They set in the middle and fight over the scraps that either side throws to them. In exchange, they get to be counted.

Purchased tools. No power.




~Nothing more.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

CADsortaGuy, another piece of BS I expect out of a right winger, and you STILL don't get it?!? Regarless of what you say it doesn't make me a liberal. If I was here to debate policy and politics, I'd be all over you challenging my positions and laying the smackdown!

...

My purpose in writing what I did is to try and unite people into taking action and trying to understand each other, and most folks have taken it at face value. You are the first to point out all the ways in which you think I am liberal and wrong, and seem to miss that I'd just like to see politicians stop chasing money and star working nicely, respectfully for the greater good of the people and ending the current (and former when Bush was da man) witch hunts! Constructive compromise is the operative word.

Please, understand I am not trying to argue, look down on you or any of that, I just don't give a flying F about what your conservative beliefs are and have no wish to try and enlighten you with my positions and ideas either. I just wanted to impress upon everyone that everything we need to know we learned in kindergarten, and that all the vitriol in the nation today is only hurting us all.

Please, try and read again what I wrote about my feelings on Palin and take to heart what I said and just try not to bash folks you disagree with for once and maybe try to think about what it might be like from their perspective first!

Happy Holidays.

Did you even read what I posted? Not a single place did I claim you were "liberal" but I do see you "blindly" tuning out due to your use of "right winger". Again, it was YOU who posted the OP. I responded to your ideas/thoughts/whatever and you don't seem to be able to handle it. This is exactly my point about you self proclaimed "moderates" or "centrists" - you don't want the labels but also don't want to be challenged - yet it is you people who want to foist the "blind" label on others.

Meh, politics isn't nicey-nice so spare us the "vitriol" whining. Politics today is NOT much different than it was in the past - it's just that we get it in real time and relatively unfiltered now due to faster communication(tv, radio, web).

Oh, and let me repeat myself again - "read what I posted". If you would do that you'd see that me responding to your OP was not "bashing". I agreed with things, offered my opinion in response to yours, and challenged you on what you believe to be "correct". So again, why did you even post if you can't handle someone actually reading what you posted and then challenging it? craig234 can't handle people who challenge him - don't let yourself be another one.

 

[Craig234]

LOL at Cad dreaming he has ever made one credible point against any one of my posts.

 

[LegendKiller]

LOL at Cad nipping at my heel dreaming he has ever made one credible point against any one of my posts. You sound desparate.

No, but I have in the other thread, yet you didn't respond to one, including how your idea of paying janitors more was ridiculous.

Go learn how to spell also, Krugman wouldn't be too happy.

 

[Craig234]

No, but I have in the other thread, yet you didn't respond to one, including how your idea of paying janitors more was ridiculous.

Go learn how to spell also, Krugman wouldn't be too happy.

Mr. Killer you qre an idiot and it's been pointed out over and over and over and you have wastred far more time than you have any right to already.

You have not made one sensible point in your attacks - every one that can be tested has been a lie, and the rest are the most asinine subjective name-calliing I've seen here in a long time.

You can't stand up to jack. You made a fool of yourself and continue to do so thread hoppping here. You are polluting this thread as cad did, rudely to mark. You get no further replies here. Start a thread for more.

 

[Carmen813]

*hits the snooze button*

 

[LegendKiller]

Mr. Killer you qre an idiot and it's been pointed out over and over and over and you have wastred far more time than you have any right to already.

You have not made one sensible point in your attacks - every one that can be tested has been a lie, and the rest are the most asinine subjective name-calliing I've seen here in a long time.

You can't stand up to jack. You made a fool of yourself and continue to do so thread hoppping here. You are polluting this thread as cad did, rudely to mark. You get no further replies here. Start a thread for more.

First off, my dads mister "Mr". My name is Killer.

How has it been a lie? You didn't refute one point Mr. Wall of Shit Text. All you can do is post tangential trash in hopes of "beating" an argument, but not really actually refuting it. It's what you do in thread after thread. I went right after your ridiculous notion of high janitorial pay, by pointing out EXACTLY what it was stupid. Yet, you failed to even address ONE point.

Why? Because your cow-cud regurgitation of bullshit book learned trash can't come up with anything. You're worse than a veneer of knowledge, you're a thin layer of pond scum.

 

[markjs]

I read what you said, I noticed the agreement, but why the need to inject your opinion that I am not moderate or centrist based on a tiny bit of evidence you misconstrued? Why the need to proudly state you are a conservative? All of those things throw in my face, that you are from one polar ideology and think absolutely that you are right!

....I regretfully admit that this is the kind of thing that causes those who do not share your beliefs to slam shut their minds like an iron gate! I hate that I am not immune to that myself....

How do you not see that you immediately went on the attack, even though you agreed with a lot of what I said? When someone proclaims themselves conservative like that, I can only speculate on your beliefs, even though I do not know you or exactly where you personally stand. In reality I personally am not radically left or right at all, but the extreme right seems to me to be much more extreme than the left in this country at the present time, yet they constantly claim that the Democrats are communist or socialist! The right wing extremists and religious right is quite outspoken on this and I tend to believe they accuse Democrats of what they are most guilty of themselves, even when it has very little basis in truth. Given all of this, and how quickly you seemed to want me to identify you with such people, are you really surprised I call you a right winger, with mistrust and potential disdain? You clearly identified yourself as a conservative more than once in this thread already.

I actually never openly proclaimed being a moderate until you told me most moderates are deluded and or lying (part of every neocon's playbook, and that is at least what it seemed to me you said). I don't care what you label me the fact is whenever I take those tests that are supposed to define where one stands politically I come up consistently just a little bit left of center.

Look, you have succeeded in renting space in my head far too long already, rant and rave your assumptions and or delusions all you like to me, I am not interested in further debate on the matter this time in this particular thread, as it was never my intention. If I get in on debating politics in this forum, I will, but as I have had to explain over and over, I was interested more in uniting than dividing with the OP.

What actually motivated this morning was my discovery of Michele Bachmann. This is, in my opinion, an evil, deluded and dangerously insane member of our government and I hope and pray people have the sense to send her packing. Her kind of politics solves nothing, and just breeds contempt. She is seeming to be calling for violent overthrow for god's sake! If you agree with her then I am sorry and hope you come to re-asses your beliefs. She runs on exaggerations, half truths and lies and uses fear mongering with deft precision. God help us all if she is gaining followers in this destructive philosophy! If you don't know who this is please look into it!

 

[markjs]

My god I begin to be sorry I ever even dared bring this up on Anandtech. The point seems to be almost entirely lost. I am actually pleasantly surprised how well it's been recceived other places. Happy Holidays!

 

[Craig234]

Mark, you had me worried when you said you were motiivated by Michelle Backmann. I thought you might say you liked her. It was a relief to see we agree she should not be in Congress.

 

[brandonb]

I stopped reading here:

The religious right and the political right want us to accept no regulation on industry, allowing private industry to rip us off with everything from sub prime mortgage and raping the environment, denying environmental responsibility, and keeping the power elite fat and rich.
The religious right would like to regulate morality, force Christianity on us, and demonize non Christian or non religious people. They want control over us. They want to treat gays, who are proven to be a genetically different subset of the population, like it is a choice (as if anyone would choose it), and treat them as less than human. They want to start a "christian jihad" against the rest of the world and spread fear and loathing. They have no understanding about Jesus teaching love and tolerance and do not abide with Christ's teachings. Since when is judgment and hatred a Christian tenet?

I am Christian, Catholic infact. But this statement is just so biased that the OP has really no grasp of reality. Realize the propaganda for what it is. I don't see anybody forcing Christianity on anybody, in fact, it seems to be the reverse. It takes an open mind to realize it, and that's not you!

Stop blaming the "treat gays" thing on Christians. I'm sorry to say, but Atheists generally do not like gays either, in fact, I don't know much of anybody who likes Gays. So is it no wonder they are picked on. It's not a Christian monopoly.

I take it you are gay? It would explain things, as that group loves to fear monger just like the rest of the populace so I suppose you'd need your Christian boogey man.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I read what you said, I noticed the agreement, but why the need to inject your opinion that I am not moderate or centrist based on a tiny bit of evidence you misconstrued? Why the need to proudly state you are a conservative? All of those things throw in my face, that you are from one polar ideology and think absolutely that you are right!

You offered your opinion to which I responded with my own. You stated your claim to "moderate" - I challenged the notion based on the evidence at hand. It seems that with the added evidence of your subsequent posts - my initial take was mostly accurate. I did not "throw" it in your face - I challenged your claim - sorry you can't handle being challenged.
Also, nowhere did I even come close to claiming that I am "absolutely" "right", infact I stated "I could be wrong but having only your OP to go on..." I don't understand why you feel attacked if you really wanted debate or thoughtful exchanges - I took your OP and responded and challenged.

How do you not see that you immediately went on the attack, even though you agreed with a lot of what I said?

there was no "attack", it was a challenge based on the history I've seen with self-proclaimed "moderates"

When someone proclaims themselves conservative like that, I can only speculate on your beliefs, even though I do not know you or exactly where you personally stand.

...but I can't speculate or challenge someone who claims to be "moderate" without them whining about being "attacked"?

In reality I personally am not radically left or right at all, but the extreme right seems to me to be much more extreme than the left in this country at the present time, yet they constantly claim that the Democrats are communist or socialist!

Again, you can assume all you want but just because you see things that way doesn't mean it's true. You seem to key in on what you call "radicals" on the right yet there are just as many if not more "radicals" on the left at the present time.

The right wing extremists and religious right is quite outspoken on this and I tend to believe they accuse Democrats of what they are most guilty of themselves, even when it has very little basis in truth.

Yet you ignore the exact same from the other side. Just so we are clear -I have not made this a R/D issue at all, you are the one bringing up party affiliation.

Given all of this, and how quickly you seemed to want me to identify you with such people, are you really surprised I call you a right winger, with mistrust and potential disdain? You clearly identified yourself as a conservative more than once in this thread already.

Uh what? Do you think being a Conservative means you are an extreme "right winger"? A "radical"? If so, this explains much. Yes, I identified my ideology because I have no reason to hide it. I have a core set of ideals that are mostly Conservative

I actually never openly proclaimed being a moderate until you told me most moderates are deluded and or lying (part of every neocon's playbook, and that is at least what it seemed to me you said).

Uh yes you did from your OP - "...tells good American "moderates" that we stand for nothing" and also from your OP - "As a centrist..."

I don't care what you label me the fact is whenever I take those tests that are supposed to define where one stands politically I come up consistently just a little bit left of center.

You don't need little tests to tell you where you stand. Your core set of beliefs should have already made you aware of this.

Look, you have succeeded in renting space in my head far too long already, rant and rave your assumptions and or delusions all you like to me, I am not interested in further debate on the matter this time in this particular thread, as it was never my intention.

Then why did you start it if yo had no intention of debating the ideas you posted? Also, it's duly noted that you have adopted the craig234 way of handling things. For that I truly am sorry...

If I get in on debating politics in this forum, I will, but as I have had to explain over and over, I was interested more in uniting than dividing with the OP.

You posted your political ideas/thoughts in a political forum but you weren't interested in debating them?

What actually motivated this morning was my discovery of Michele Bachmann. This is, in my opinion, an evil, deluded and dangerously insane member of our government and I hope and pray people have the sense to send her packing. Her kind of politics solves nothing, and just breeds contempt. She is seeming to be calling for violent overthrow for god's sake! If you agree with her then I am sorry and hope you come to re-asses your beliefs. She runs on exaggerations, half truths and lies and uses fear mongering with deft precision. God help us all if she is gaining followers in this destructive philosophy! If you don't know who this is please look into it!

Ah yes, more wailing about a Republican you don't like while ignoring the same type of stuff from the Democrats. Granted, she was your trigger but from your posts here you only gave lip service to the other side of the coin who acts exactly the same way. But just for the sake of argument since you threw out the "IF" - no she would not be an ideal candidate or choice for me. I'm glad I don't live in her District as I would not want to vote for her. And as for further challenges on supporting people/parties/etc- no I did not vote McCain - I voted 3rd party(and not RP2).

So anywho I am still left wondering why you would post the OP and not expect to be challenged on your ideas/thoughts or for them to stir debate...