Wait so the focus is supposed to be an awesome car?

[Doppel]

[following Doppel's statement of If you were clever you'd let this go now, but I don't think you are, so you'll probably post again another response (without links) trying to again pretend that you're somehow right despite no evidence of it.]

Giving you a link wouldn't teach you anything. I wouldn't learn anything from it either.
I love the clause of your self righteous win-win at the end of your post.

I don't have to be clever to you. I have nothing to prove to you.
Meaning, since I know they exist, driven cars with them equipped, knowing they were transparent about it, it seems silly to me.
I also used to work for a large corporation that used the same vendor some rental car companies did.
I really shouldn't give you a link, because it would seem to only validate myself. Since my memory isn't misplaced, I don't need to.
But I'll drop one more hint. The systems used keywords like active ISA.



By the way, don't act so offended when applying the word "bullshit". I merely used words and the same overall attitude you did.
I'm not sure if you can see that. But really, you come off as someone that loves to correct people in every fucking thread you are in. And most of the time, it isn't "correct".

Now go have some fun this weekend, and please stop being a debbie downer.

Good boy.

No links, just so that anybody still in doubt as to whether you have the patent inability to admit you're totally wrong can now be sure of it.

 

[foghorn67]

Good boy.

No links, just so that anybody still in doubt as to whether you have the patent inability to admit you're totally wrong can now be sure of it.

Stop crying.
I have nothing to prove to anyone that makes rash, broad and all encompassing generalizations.
You see, if I give you a link, I would be serving you. Something I'm not willing to do to for Philistines such as yourself.
Keep your head buried in that dark hole called ignorance.
Since nobody else is clamoring for links like you are, take it elsewhere using PM.
In the meanwhile, we are getting in the way of the topic on hand.

 

[Doppel]

Stop crying.
I have nothing to prove to anyone that makes rash, broad and all encompassing generalizations.
You see, if I give you a link, I would be serving you. Something I'm not willing to do to for Philistines such as yourself.
Keep your head buried in that dark hole called ignorance.
Since nobody else is clamoring for links like you are, take it elsewhere using PM.
In the meanwhile, we are getting in the way of the topic on hand.

Doppel: That doesn't exist
foghorn: Yes it does
Doppel: Prove it
Foghorn: you're daft
Doppel: So you have no link?
Foghorn: You spout bullsh*t and ignorance
Doppel: Still no link?
Foghorn: No, that would just be serving you

How embarrassing for you.

 

[jlee]

I think the thing you have to keep in mind with these cars and the glowing reviews they get is it's all relative. With the new wave of premium-er sub-compacts coming out (fiesta, etc) I kept getting excited about the new stuff. They would get great reviews about quality interiors, power and handling and being fun to drive... And then I'd actually drive one and be horribly disappointed again and again. They may be standouts in their category but they're still a $20k car and that's 1/3 below the average new car price these days. Of course it's going to be a flaming pile of shit.

I've simply resigned myself to the fact my perspective is severely skewed by the cars I currently drive, and that nothing in the small/affordable categories that normal people buy from is going to even remotely turn me on. Since I can't afford to go spend $100k on something I guess I'm stuck driving 10 year old semi-exotics that cost around the average new car price.

But then again that's kind of the way I like it.

Viper GTS

Yeah, I know the feeling. Granted it's hard to compare using rentals as examples, but I have yet to drive a new-ish car that really does it for me. All plastic and automatic and gutless.