Wait for 7900?

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Matt2

If Nvidia paper launches and i miss my step-up, i will be extremely pissed and buy an X1900XTX immediately.

Why? 7800GT SLI setup is just as fast or faster than X1900XTX.

On another note, even if 7900 cards are faster, it's hard to image that they'll play games at much higher settings than what X1900XT can handle. For those with 7800GTs, I see little reason to drop $500 on these refresh cards. I could only see myself spending $500 on DX10 G80/R600 cards in the fall. But I guess the argument can be made that you can sell 7900/x1900 series and buy those cards. In that case, it never makes sense to wait since the loses from every 6 month upgrade can be considered "rents" for playing games.

Here's why I am going to upgrade to 7900GTX:

With my step-up, I will get $311 for my GT CO. Then I plan to sell my other GT with the NV5 Silencer for about ~$250.

That's almost a free upgrade. :thumbsup:

Plus, I'll always ahve the option of getting another one if need be.

If Nvidia screwes me and I miss my step-up, I'm going to buy an X1900XTX just to spite Nvidia for screwing me over. Nto to mention, I'll be back to single card solution, better IQ, yada yada.

I'm going to San Diego State University in the fall and I really cant afford it. I'll be attending school on loans and financial aid. In other words, I'll be broke. Broke as a joke. So, whatever upgrade I do now is going to ahve to last me until Christmas, maybe longer.

I doubt that you will get 250 for you 7800GT as new ones come 256AR and also, if Nvidia prices the G71 very high, then your basically screwed as you have to overpay for it. Your best bet would be to stick with SLI GT, as that performance should be equal to the XTX, and alot of times better

Well I do have the NV5 Silencer on it. That will give it a little more resale value. Still, even if I only get say $230 and the 7900GTX is introduced with an MSRP of $649, that''s still only about $110 for an equal, if not better setup through a single card.

I dont know, i guess I'll have to weigh my options when it is released... *sigh*

Thing is that if MSRP is 650 and actual price is 500, you'll be overpaying by 150. EVGA step up was a big selling point to me at first, but the more I look at it, the more I don't beleive its worth it. They are a company and profit comes first. 311 for your card, lets say 250 for the one your going to sell. That leaves you to foot ~100 dollar bill. You could probably sell both your cards can buy a new card for less if it were around 500 actual price vs MSRP.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Thing is that if MSRP is 650 and actual price is 500, you'll be overpaying by 150. EVGA step up was a big selling point to me at first, but the more I look at it, the more I don't beleive its worth it. They are a company and profit comes first. 311 for your card, lets say 250 for the one your going to sell. That leaves you to foot ~100 dollar bill. You could probably sell both your cards can buy a new card for less if it were around 500 actual price vs MSRP.

Very true. But that is assuming that by the time that 7900GTX reaches $500 I will be able to get $250 for my GTs, that is highly unlikely. I will be buying 7900GTX right at launch, which means I will be paying MSRP no matter what.

If I wait till 7900GTX falls down to $500, the resale value of my 7800GTs will more than likely drop below $200. Then I'm still stuck with footing that extra $100 and I would ahve had to unncessarily wait for my new card...

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Did that make any sense at all? I just came back from the bar. :thumbsup:

 

[atybimf]

Originally posted by: gi0rgi0
Dude get the xtx from monarch. I was like you wondering if I should go ati or wait till g71. I had a 7800gt and stepped up to the gtx512 for $250. I never even opened it
and sold it on ebay for $800. Was thinking about waiting but decided to try ati. Heard alot of good things like better IQ and AA+HDR, running faster with aa+af on.
And I dont regret it one bit. So I got the HIS xtx for $540 AR. My first ATI after being with nvidia for the last few years. Plus G80 and r600 are coming up so you'll
most likely be upgrading again anyway.

Yeah, now I'm just waiting for the money order for my 7800GT to arrive and I'll be on the ATI bandwagon as well

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Matt2

If Nvidia paper launches and i miss my step-up, i will be extremely pissed and buy an X1900XTX immediately.

Why? 7800GT SLI setup is just as fast or faster than X1900XTX.

False. In some games they are, in some they are not. Making a blanket statement like that is not a good idea, and its wrong.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Matt2

If Nvidia paper launches and i miss my step-up, i will be extremely pissed and buy an X1900XTX immediately.

Why? 7800GT SLI setup is just as fast or faster than X1900XTX.

False. In some games they are, in some they are not. Making a blanket statement like that is not a good idea, and its wrong.

Yeah you are right. I just looked at this Review and 7800GT SLi won in every single benchmark at high quality settings in games such as Quake 4, HL2: Lost Coast, FEAR, BF2 and Guild Wars. I coulnd't really find other reviews but I realize that it depends on the source and the game.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Hacp
Thing is that if MSRP is 650 and actual price is 500, you'll be overpaying by 150. EVGA step up was a big selling point to me at first, but the more I look at it, the more I don't beleive its worth it. They are a company and profit comes first. 311 for your card, lets say 250 for the one your going to sell. That leaves you to foot ~100 dollar bill. You could probably sell both your cards can buy a new card for less if it were around 500 actual price vs MSRP.

Very true. But that is assuming that by the time that 7900GTX reaches $500 I will be able to get $250 for my GTs, that is highly unlikely. I will be buying 7900GTX right at launch, which means I will be paying MSRP no matter what.

If I wait till 7900GTX falls down to $500, the resale value of my 7800GTs will more than likely drop below $200. Then I'm still stuck with footing that extra $100 and I would ahve had to unncessarily wait for my new card...

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Did that make any sense at all? I just came back from the bar. :thumbsup:

Ati's cards were found for 500 dollars on launch day 7800GTX was found for 500 on launch day.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Hacp
Thing is that if MSRP is 650 and actual price is 500, you'll be overpaying by 150. EVGA step up was a big selling point to me at first, but the more I look at it, the more I don't beleive its worth it. They are a company and profit comes first. 311 for your card, lets say 250 for the one your going to sell. That leaves you to foot ~100 dollar bill. You could probably sell both your cards can buy a new card for less if it were around 500 actual price vs MSRP.

Very true. But that is assuming that by the time that 7900GTX reaches $500 I will be able to get $250 for my GTs, that is highly unlikely. I will be buying 7900GTX right at launch, which means I will be paying MSRP no matter what.

If I wait till 7900GTX falls down to $500, the resale value of my 7800GTs will more than likely drop below $200. Then I'm still stuck with footing that extra $100 and I would ahve had to unncessarily wait for my new card...

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Did that make any sense at all? I just came back from the bar. :thumbsup:

Ati's cards were found for 500 dollars on launch day 7800GTX was found for 500 on launch day.

But they didnt have an MSRP of $649 though right?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
waiting is useless. Just get the ATI card for now, as people have gotten them for sub 500 dollars. If the 7900 Benchies are lower than the x1900 ones or if they are horribly overpriced, then the prices of ati cards will rise because of increased demand.

If the 7900s are higher than the X1900s, the price of ATI cards may fall.

Two sides to that coin HACP.

His safest bet by far is to wait, because it's only 17 days. It's unlikely the price of X1900s will rise, because supply is very high.

Even if the 7900GTX is basically a 650MHz 512 GTX, it should be competitive with the XTX and beat a XT at most games.

 

[Matt2]

I need to see benchies!

The only thing I am afraid of with the 7900GTX single card solution is that I have a bad feeling that my minimum framerates are going to be lower than with my 7800GTs.

I could care less about average or max FPS, I only care about the minimum FPS when playing at the settings I like.

If this is the case, there better be a better AA algorithm or something to swing me towards the 7900GTX

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Yeah you are right. I just looked at this Review and 7800GT SLi won in every single benchmark at high quality settings in games such as Quake 4, HL2: Lost Coast, FEAR, BF2 and Guild Wars. I coulnd't really find other reviews but I realize that it depends on the source and the game.

There you go.

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Hacp
waiting is useless. Just get the ATI card for now, as people have gotten them for sub 500 dollars. If the 7900 Benchies are lower than the x1900 ones or if they are horribly overpriced, then the prices of ati cards will rise because of increased demand.

If the 7900s are higher than the X1900s, the price of ATI cards may fall.

Two sides to that coin HACP.

His safest bet by far is to wait, because it's only 17 days. It's unlikely the price of X1900s will rise, because supply is very high.

Even if the 7900GTX is basically a 650MHz 512 GTX, it should be competitive with the XTX and beat a XT at most games.

why is this guy still here ?

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: DidlySquat

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Hacp
waiting is useless. Just get the ATI card for now, as people have gotten them for sub 500 dollars. If the 7900 Benchies are lower than the x1900 ones or if they are horribly overpriced, then the prices of ati cards will rise because of increased demand.

If the 7900s are higher than the X1900s, the price of ATI cards may fall.

Two sides to that coin HACP.

His safest bet by far is to wait, because it's only 17 days. It's unlikely the price of X1900s will rise, because supply is very high.

Even if the 7900GTX is basically a 650MHz 512 GTX, it should be competitive with the XTX and beat a XT at most games.

why is this guy still here ?

At least he added something constructive to the thread, which is more than I can say for half the posters in the video forum.

As long as that is the case, no one should have a problem with him posting here.

we didnt pay to be a part of this forum so no one but the MODS have a say in who should post here and who shouldn't.

Please dont crap a good thread with that AEG bullsh!t. Keep it in that monstrosity of a thread that already exists.

BACK ON TOPIC:

Didnt the Inquirer report a few weeks back that with 32 pipes the 7900GTX would only have to ship at 450mhz (or something close to that) to match the X1900XTX?? By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I think I remember reading that. Now in their most recent article they stated that it would have to be 700mhz to match the x1900XTX??

I hate how Nvidia is so tight lipped about their products. Looks like we're in for either:

A. One helluva card that is going to blow our socks off.

or

B. One helluva disappointment that is going to piss a lot of people off.

Nvidia rebounded nicely from their NV30 catastrophe with NV40 and G70. I hope that after 8 months they're not going to take a step backwards with G71.

*crosses fingers*

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: yacoub
You lose nothing by waiting, assuming you have a card that runs games well in the meantime. The longer you wait the cheaper the X1900XT gets and the more we know about the 7900 series.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Matt2

If Nvidia paper launches and i miss my step-up, i will be extremely pissed and buy an X1900XTX immediately.

Why? 7800GT SLI setup is just as fast or faster than X1900XTX.

False. In some games they are, in some they are not. Making a blanket statement like that is not a good idea, and its wrong.

Yeah you are right. I just looked at this Review and 7800GT SLi won in every single benchmark at high quality settings in games such as Quake 4, HL2: Lost Coast, FEAR, BF2 and Guild Wars. I coulnd't really find other reviews but I realize that it depends on the source and the game.

And then this one shows a single XTX beating a SLI'd 7800GTX's in several games at 1600x1200, and close to them in a few others. Losing to them too. With GT's being even slower, you can see a single XTX is faster a lot of the time; http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati..._x1900_crossfire_performance/page5.asp

I dont consider 1280x960 a "high quality setting". That low a of a res isnt really letting the cards do all they can.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: yacoub
You lose nothing by waiting, assuming you have a card that runs games well in the meantime. The longer you wait the cheaper the X1900XT gets and the more we know about the 7900 series.

its not far away, i'd suggest buying now if nvidia is late by 3-4 months but 2 weeks !!!

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
why is this guy still here ?

stupid post!

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
get a cheap PCI video card to use for a couple weeks then decide when the 7900 comes out

That's what I'm doing, but it happened for a different reason. I ordered the EVGA mobo & 7800GT combo at the end of January and put it together on February 4. The video card was bad, so I RMA'd it and bought a CHEAP ($5) PCI video card to tide me over. It won't play ANY games, but I can surf the net and do homework. After shipping and testing it took until last week for ZZF to determine that the card was bad. However, that specific card is out of stock, and they have no ETA to get more in, so they are refunding me the full amount, but I get to keep the "free" motherboard and Quake 4, which in this case actually does make them free. So, I looked online to see if there are any of those $240 AR deals for the 7800GT, and I start reading about the 7900 release dates and prices. So, I can't game at all right now, which stinks, but I would rather wait a month to get something better than to jump the gun and regret it. I usually only upgrade my video card every 1 1/2 - 2 years, so I want to make sure and get a good one.

 

[MBrown]

I would have kept your 7800gt and wait for the 8000 series. I think thats what Im gunna do.

 

[kalrith]

I would have, but it wasn't an option. The card was defective, and I had to RMA it. ZZF couldn't replace the card because they had none in stock and aren't going to get anymore, so they're refunding my purchase. This occurred last Thursday, and I thought it foolish to spend $270 AR on a 7800GT, when I might be able to get a 7900GT for $300 in less than a month.

 

[sygyzy]

How long has the 7800 been out? I can't believe you guys are updating to barely 1 newer generation. I am building a new system and was about to get the 7800 because it's recommende by both AT and Ars Guides. But now, I can probably just wait and get the 7900 for the same price. I am in no hurry. But if I already owned the 7800, I don't see why I'd upgrade. You guys are made of money AND have upgradetitis.

 

[harobikes333]

^ ^ I agree sygzy I too am building a new computer hopefully within this month Some people like fast stuff ^ ^