w00t another win for medical marijuana: AZ narrowly passes ordinance

[Ns1]

by 4300 votes!

CNN) -- By a narrow margin of about 4,300 votes, Arizona voters approved a ballot measure that would legalize medical marijuana, state election officials said Sunday.
With all precincts reporting, the "yes" votes on Proposition 203 have 50.1 percent of the vote to 49.8 percent of "no" votes, according to unofficial results posted on the Arizona Secretary of State's website. More than 1.6 million votes were cast.
...
Since 1996, 14 other states and the District of Columbia have passed medical marijuana laws.
The proposition will allow the establishment of about 120 state-regulated clinics to dispense marijuana, according to the organization. Those living more than 25 miles from a clinic will be allowed to grow their own medicine.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/14/arizona.medical.marijuana/

I wonder who's going to supply Arizona. California? lol

 

[Circlenaut]

Sweet, +1 Med State! Wonder when the damn feds will take notice. How many states will it take?

 

[Kadarin]

This is good news. It's nice to see another state added to the groundswell of support for medical marijuana, and hopefully this will be another step toward its eventual legalization.

 

[manimal]

Guess all those headless bodies in the desert voted too!

 

[cKGunslinger]

Guess all those headless bodies in the desert voted too!

Pop Quiz: Can you elaborate on both the meaning and relevance of this comment?

 

[Freshgeardude]

great to hear.


that ending sentence about people being able to grow their own weed if they are more than 25 miles away will be interesting

 

[bamacre]

Nice. Unfortunately, the FDA isn't interested in science, only corporate interests.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How many people will abuse the word MEDICAL.

We know that people in Colorado and California can not spell.

 

[wheels]

Really good news, it is just sad that it was so close. All the NO votes, so much for individual liberty...

 

[shira]

Pop Quiz: Can you elaborate on both the meaning and relevance of this comment?

I think Manimal was toking two right-wing talking points with one stoned, illegal-immigrant corpse.

 

[Scotteq]

Guess all those headless bodies in the desert voted too!

Pop Quiz: Can you elaborate on both the meaning and relevance of this comment?

Just my guess, but on the face of it I'd say it's a well crafted bit of highly cynical commentary. Achieved through the creative juxtaposition of the time honored technique of tilting elections by using deceased "voters"; plus the fact that Mexican gangs involved in the drug trade have taken to cutting people's heads off by way of punishment and warning to others.

Eyebrow raising stuff. Though to achieve the coveted A+ in Cynicism, the writer should have worked in a reference to the headless bodies' Green Cards (or lack thereof).

 

[ericlp]

How many people will abuse the word MEDICAL.

We know that people in Colorado and California can not spell.

What a tool, They Voted it in... Obviously you have no point. If you have a problem with medical marijuana then maybe you shouldn't visit the 16 states that the majority of the people voted in and passed?

Any person with a common decency should be able to have a right and free access to their medicine. If you don't like we can tell you were to shove it...

 

[LunarRay]

How many people will abuse the word MEDICAL.

We know that people in Colorado and California can not spell.

Seems to me a Physician must certify to the patient's use of Med/Mar...

It is not simply a courtesy extended to anyone who seeks... One must have a legitimate purpose to use the chemical... Not to mention the other chemicals Physicians certify for a patient... (Rx).

How many Physicians do you know might put their license to practice Medicine on the line for some person not meeting the stated criteria for its legal consumption?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Seems to me a Physician must certify to the patient's use of Med/Mar...

It is not simply a courtesy extended to anyone who seeks... One must have a legitimate purpose to use the chemical... Not to mention the other chemicals Physicians certify for a patient... (Rx).

How many Physicians do you know might put their license to practice Medicine on the line for some person not meeting the stated criteria for its legal consumption?

My issue is not the fact that there is MMJ.

It is the fact that MMJ is abused by those that do not need it but are willing to scam the system for access to it.

Given the amount of people that openly brag about having a MMJ card and do not need it for medical purposes; I would expect that MDs are not screening the patients properly.

There was a recent festival in CA that people on this board were talking about. At the festival itself, people were stating that they had MMJ cards to alow them to toke legally,they had no illness that required it.

There were situations in CO here certificate #s were being recycled by the user community as well.

The stated purpose rules were deliberately written vaguely so as to not penalize those with a legit need; but in doing so, a loophole was created to non-legit needs.

And to close that loophole would potentially affect legit users. As more and more abuses of the legt MMJ come to light, it will make it more difficult for MMJ to be approved.

 

[Blackjack200]

Just my guess, but on the face of it I'd say it's a well crafted bit of highly cynical commentary. Achieved through the creative juxtaposition of the time honored technique of tilting elections by using deceased "voters"; plus the fact that Mexican gangs involved in the drug trade have taken to cutting people's heads off by way of punishment and warning to others.

Eyebrow raising stuff. Though to achieve the coveted A+ in Cynicism, the writer should have worked in a reference to the headless bodies' Green Cards (or lack thereof).

Hmm, I thought he was pointing out that Arizona has laws on the books meant to help/obligate its state police to enforce federal immigration policy...

...but now they have another law that flaunts federal drug policy.

So it seems Arizona picks and chooses which federal policies it likes. Interesting. Maybe we can dissolve the union and just have 50 independant nation states? [partison hackery]I bet the welfare red states wouldn't like that too mutch[/partison hackery]

 

[bamacre]

My issue is not the fact that there is MMJ.

It is the fact that MMJ is abused by those that do not need it but are willing to scam the system for access to it.

Big deal. You can't stop people from getting their hands on MJ, whether or not they live in a MMJ state. Is it easier to access MJ in a MMJ state? Perhaps, but it isn't difficult to access MJ anywhere. If they can't keep it out of prisons, well, you know.

 

[Ns1]

text

It's no more or less a crock of shit than the government's classification of MJ as a schedule 1 drug.


That said, I find MMJ makes the perfect sleeping aid.

 

[Scotteq]

Hmm, I thought he was pointing out that Arizona has laws on the books meant to help/obligate its state police to enforce federal immigration policy...

...but now they have another law that flaunts federal drug policy.

So it seems Arizona picks and chooses which federal policies it likes. Interesting. Maybe we can dissolve the union and just have 50 independant nation states? [partison hackery]I bet the welfare red states wouldn't like that too mutch[/partison hackery]

...I didn't note that at all in Manimal's post.

Perhaps if he had successfully incorporated the Green Card reference to earn his A+, it then might have been possible to allude to AZ's State Police dumping the bodies rather than Drug Gangs... But that's really, really hard to do in one sentence.

But yes: The hypocracy is delicious.

 

[LunarRay]

My issue is not the fact that there is MMJ.

It is the fact that MMJ is abused by those that do not need it but are willing to scam the system for access to it.

Given the amount of people that openly brag about having a MMJ card and do not need it for medical purposes; I would expect that MDs are not screening the patients properly.

There was a recent festival in CA that people on this board were talking about. At the festival itself, people were stating that they had MMJ cards to alow them to toke legally,they had no illness that required it.

There were situations in CO here certificate #s were being recycled by the user community as well.

The stated purpose rules were deliberately written vaguely so as to not penalize those with a legit need; but in doing so, a loophole was created to non-legit needs.

And to close that loophole would potentially affect legit users. As more and more abuses of the legt MMJ come to light, it will make it more difficult for MMJ to be approved.

Re: in the order of your statement.

The first two Para indicate a belief that folks can scam and MDs don't screen (in all cases, I presume). An MD who Rx's Oxy uses the same criteria based on diagnosis as they would MJ... in fact MJ augments Oxy quite nicely raising the efficacy of the pain reduction properties according to a recent UCSD study on the topic.
Folks brag about lots of stuff and if they can get Rx'd MJ then I'd imagine they'd get Rx'd Oxy too. It is all about the objective analysis that provides the diagnosis that enables folks to consume any CSA chemical.

I don't know about Colorado or anywhere else but in California the statute is pretty clear... The 'prescribing' Physician has to have more than a simple subjective statement from the patient. There are six people I personally know (at the VA) who were denied - by a clinic outside VA - because their records did not indicate those folks met the criteria... Now, it is incumbent on the individual to get the testing done to confirm a malady that does meet the criteria...

I don't use MJ.... I have a card... Someday I may use it to replace the Oxy or augment it... I'm personally not in favor of my using it cuz it is still Illegal Federally... that bothers me. But I do support others who I know benefit and hope that the laws get tightened to eliminate the abuse you speak to... I just have not seen that abuse locally.

End of day.... MJ is a chemical... and the criteria for the CSA among the four per level... Schedule 1 has no medical use.. While Schedule 2 does... and then there is the propensity for abuse etc... (there are other criteria as well)


I don't think MJ will ever be legalized for over the counter vis a vis cigarettes/booze in this century because the findings don't support it... Get rid of the medical use restriction and you've still the abuse... and the rest.
MJ seems to be no different than booze from my perspective... both chemicals that alter the mind function to some extent...

 

[EagleKeeper]

It's no more or less a crock of shit than the government's classification of MJ as a schedule 1 drug.


That said, I find MMJ makes the perfect sleeping aid.

MMJ has become a crock of shit for the crowd that wants/uses it illegally.

That group has twisted the MMJ purpose for their own private pleasures and in doing so may be handicapping others that actually can benefit from it.

Also, in the process, make it harder to become fully legalized because of the falsification that they used to get MMJ passed.

And they complain about what the government does in classifying it.🙁

 

[bamacre]

MMJ has become a crock of shit for the crowd that wants/uses it illegally.

That group has twisted the MMJ purpose for their own private pleasures and in doing so may be handicapping others that actually can benefit from it.

Also, in the process, make it harder to become fully legalized because of the falsification that they used to get MMJ passed.

And they complain about what the government does in classifying it.🙁

LOL, you have got to be kidding me. You're blaming the people and not the gov't because sick people can't get access to marijuana? :\

This wouldn't be a problem if the Federal Gov't hadn't put it's nose in everyone's business. And you're in favor of "limited government" aren't you?

 

[ericlp]

MMJ has become a crock of shit for the crowd that wants/uses it illegally.

That group has twisted the MMJ purpose for their own private pleasures and in doing so may be handicapping others that actually can benefit from it.

Also, in the process, make it harder to become fully legalized because of the falsification that they used to get MMJ passed.

And they complain about what the government does in classifying it.🙁

Whaaaaaaaaa! Proof, Pics, Links or STFU

 

[LunarRay]

Whaaaaaaaaa! Proof, Pics, Links or STFU

The CSA has a protocol used to add or delete 'drugs' from the 'list'. Abuse, a medical purpose are basically the top two...
The AG makes a finding or the HHS Secretary does - AG is obligated to go along with the HHS - and there it is.

"In 1992, DEA Administrator Robert Bonner promulgated five criteria, based somewhat on the Controlled Substances Act's legislative history, for determining whether a drug has an accepted medical use. The DEA claims that cannabis has no accepted medical use because it does not meet all of these criteria:



The drug's chemistry is known and reproducible;
There are adequate safety studies;
There are adequate and well-controlled studies proving efficacy;
The drug is accepted by qualified experts; and
The scientific evidence is widely available"

Additionally;

Unless an international treaty requires controlling a substance, the Attorney General must, in finding whether the drug meets the three criteria for placement in a particular schedule, consider the following factors:

• The drug's actual or relative potential for abuse.
• Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.
• The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.
• Its history and current pattern of abuse.
• The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.
• What, if any, risk there is to the public health.
• Its psychological or physiological dependence liability.
• Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a controlled substance.

 

[EagleKeeper]

LOL, you have got to be kidding me. You're blaming the people and not the gov't because sick people can't get access to marijuana? :\

This wouldn't be a problem if the Federal Gov't hadn't put it's nose in everyone's business. And you're in favor of "limited government" aren't you?

My issue is that, at present, MJ is illegal except for MMJ.

I have no problems with those that need MMJ to have access to it.

I have a problem with those that use MMJ as an excuse to bypass the fact of using MJ illegally.

Those that are doing so are making it more difficult for MMJ to be accepted.

By abusing the system for their own benefit, they are actually making it worse for those that need it becuase the abusers are openly flaunting the loopholes.

If you want MJ to be legal, then get it legalized openly, not through some false backdoor which takes advantage of patients that actually benefit from it.

Doing so, makes those that propose MMJ as phony as those that want it to remain illegal for their own purposes.

 

[bamacre]

My issue is that, at present, MJ is illegal except for MMJ.

I have no problems with those that need MMJ to have access to it.

I have a problem with those that use MMJ as an excuse to bypass the fact of using MJ illegally.

Those that are doing so are making it more difficult for MMJ to be accepted.

By abusing the system for their own benefit, they are actually making it worse for those that need it becuase the abusers are openly flaunting the loopholes.

If you want MJ to be legal, then get it legalized openly, not through some false backdoor which takes advantage of patients that actually benefit from it.

Doing so, makes those that propose MMJ as phony as those that want it to remain illegal for their own purposes.

You're still blaming the symptoms of the problem rather than the problem itself. The problem is not people, it's an overly powerful government.