w00000t! Justice has been served! Eat it! (speeding ticket story) [LONG]

edro

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Long speeding ticket story.... so prepare yourself. I will try to spare you all the detail.

I got a speeding ticket for 75 in a 65. I KNOW I was only going 67-68mph, because my cruise control was set there for the last few miles. On the ticket, it says that I was "575' middle lane, one back".
I knew that the viewable distance from where the cops were sitting to me was very short, so I went home and got my camera. I then took a crap load of pics of the approach and the cops (were still clocking people there) and everything. After figuring out how long the lines on the road were and everything, I figured it out to be about 450ft.

Also about 30 minutes after I got my ticket, I noticed that after they pulled over 3 more cars after me, they pulled out into traffic and hit an oncoming car! Haha! Ownt.

I went to the first court date and they gave me a new one since I plead not-guilty.
After that, I had some time to build up my defense.

1. I noticed that there were two cops in the car. The one that was running the laser was the passenger. The one that gave me the ticket was not the same guy.
2. The viewable distance was only 450ft or so, not 575' like the ticket says.
3. They were practicing dangerous ticketing procedures, proven by the accident they caused. (not really a defense, just to piss them off :D)
4. I was not speeding... yeah, they have heard that one before... but I wanted to say it anyways.

Fast Forward to this morning.

I go to court, and talk to a hot chick standing at the podeum.
She said, "How fast were you going?"
I said, "67 or 68".
She said, "Well that is an admission of guilt. Would you like to plead guilty or no contest?"
WTF! That's it? Wrong...
I said, "Well, I am not exactly sure if I was going 67-68 or not, I think it was more like 64-65." Haha!
She got all pissed off and said, "well it's up to you, but I have never seen a laser speeding ticket fail in court." (Me thinking, D@MN!)
I asked her if she would give me a no-points violation, and I pay the ticket.
She said, "The prosecution does not give no-point violations to people with bad driving records." (I have 2 more ticket on the record in the last year :D)
I said, "Well, who decides that?"
She said, "The prosecution."
I said, Well, "Who is the prosecution?"
She said, "I am." (Me thinks D@MN again!)
Sooo.... the prosecution has an admission of guilt from me!
I stood there with a line of people behind me and she kept coercing me to plead guilty and take 2 points on my lisence and pay court costs and the ticket.
I then told her that I have proof that the police could not have seen me and that I have pictures of the crash they caused by their speed trap! Haha! (I do too)
She said, "That is probably irrelevant to this trial."
(Me then thinks, why the hell did you come to court if you are just going to pay the ticket?)
Sooo.... I say with a mean tone, "Fine, I will just take it to trial and see what the judge thinks."
She says back in a mean tone, "Fine, your choice. Go have a seat and we will call you up in a few hours."
WTF, a few hours?!?!

Fast forward 1.5 hours....

The two cops waltz in and sit down at a table. I then see the chick walk over to the cops and whisper to them, then she points at me.
The two cops look over at me and quickly look back at the chick. They whisper something for about 2-3 minutes.
Then the chick walks over to me and says, "After discussing this case with the officers, we have decided to drop the case, if you are willing to pay court costs."

w000000000000000000000t! I said, "That sounds good to me."

I stand before the judge and he says something about me having a deal with prosecution to pay court costs and the case being dropped.

Then I left with a HUGE smile on my face.

Justice was served..... but it still cost me $62.

Oh well....

[If you have read down this far, you are entirely too bored and need to get a life. :D]
 

MichaelD

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Congratulations! It's great that you were able to take pics of the accident the cops caused. That's what got you off, most probably.

Anyone that thinks that speed limits on highways are for the safety of the general public is a moron; speed limits exist to provide counties with an endless source of income. Period.

Residential neighborhoods/school zones is a completely different story; if you speed there you should get clubbed in the head.

But highways? Puh-leese.
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There should be no speeding law on highways. Speeding is not 70 in a 55. Reckless driving is 100 in a 55 and that's a different story entirely.

Let me buy you a :beer:
 

Rogue

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I need to get a life, but, I'm glad this worked out the way it did. As a cop, it sounds like they are dumb asses in the methods they're employing for running RADAR, especially to cause an accident or take part in one for something as simple as a speeding ticket. BTW, this isn't some huge victory over law enforcement as you make it sound. This happens everyday in courts across America. Thank you for helping to make the system better for everyone else regardless.

Oh and to those quoting NWA. You'd be pissed if I showed up to help and said, "F*ck the victim" now wouldn't you? ;)
 

edro

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Originally posted by: waylman
good stuff! In the inspiring words of NWA.... F-CK THA POLICE!

And Rage Against the Machine. :D

Believe me, I do not hate police officers. I like Law Enforcement. I just hate these particular police officers for giving me a ticket when they KNOW I was not the car that they lasered.
 

cjsketchy

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congrats :beer:
but, if you got pics of the crash, then you must have pics of the hot chick. :D
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: edro13
Originally posted by: waylman
good stuff! In the inspiring words of NWA.... F-CK THA POLICE!

And Rage Against the Machine. :D

Believe me, I do not hate police officers. I like Law Enforcement. I just hate these particular police officers for giving me a ticket when they KNOW I was not the car that they lasered.

I have been in this scenario more than once:

Cop: I pulled you over for speeding; XX in a YY zone
Me: Sir, there was a car in front of me, a car in back of me and a truck in-between you and I...and you tagged me how?
Cop: I pulled you over, though. License and registration.

The system is broken.

For the record, I've had 11 speeding tickets in the past 9 years and not ONE has gone to my insurance. When I get busted, I pay the fine and take probation (AKA deferred adjudication) I don't speed for 60 days, then I do whatever the hell I want afterwards.

All the city wants is my money. Period. If they cared at ALL about "public safety" dont' you think they'd have done somethign about a "repeat offender" like me?

It's gotten to the point that I go to court, when they call my name I walk up and say "Deferred Adjudication, please and I can pay the fine in full today."

They dont' even look up from the talbe. They stamp the paper hand it to me and say "pay the cashier."
 

Fiveohhh

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ya know all they really want is your money, but its got to be an ego blow to back down w/o out even trying to fight and that those two cops had to come in(maybe on there day off). Awesome job!!
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Congratulations! It's great that you were able to take pics of the accident the cops caused. That's what got you off, most probably.

Anyone that thinks that speed limits on highways are for the safety of the general public is a moron; speed limits exist to provide counties with an endless source of income. Period.

Residential neighborhoods/school zones is a completely different story; if you speed there you should get clubbed in the head.

But highways? Puh-leese.
rolleye.gif
There should be no speeding law on highways. Speeding is not 70 in a 55. Reckless driving is 100 in a 55 and that's a different story entirely.

Let me buy you a :beer:

Once again, MichaelD takes the words out of my mouth. All states should follow the lead of Montana and eliminate speed limits on highways. Just my opinion.

 

edro

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No crap!

I mean come on. The Highway Patrol are there to keep people from going 90+ on the freeway, with highway safety in mind. What business does the CITY POLICE have on a highway? They can get speeders on side streets just as easily....
 

Rogue

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Laser is harder to fight, but standard RADAR can be easy, especially if there are more vehicles on the road around you. I won't go into detail on how to fight a ticket, because it's a long process, but don't assume that EVERY cop is bad or the EVERY ticket you get is BS. There are a lot of things that I'm conscious of regarding vehicles around me when I'm on the highway, so if they do try to bag me for speeding, I have a good argument in court on it. Remember, it's your right to go to court, but if you know you're wrong, save me and everyone else some tax dollars on our overcrowded courts and just pay your damn fine!!!

This sounded like a clear cut case of "jackassedness" on behalf of the PD.
 

NogginBoink

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Okay, not a bad story.

However, the next time you go to court, do remember to NOT ADMIT GUILT TO THE PROSECUTOR!


This public service announcement brought to you by Captain Obvious.
 

Mill

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Glad it worked out. I have never been a big fan of any speeding ticket, but if you honestly feel innocent then by all means go to court. The only people who piss me off are the ones that get nabbed for 90 in a 35 and try to act as if they should not have gotten the ticket. If I get nabbed for speeding I get nabbed. Just karma for all the times I didn't get caught. :beer::D
 

Encryptic

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Nice going! Speeding tickets are BS unless you're going at the speed of light in a school zone or something. I'm more concerned about people who drive like assholes on the freeway (dodging in and out of traffic, tailgating, cutting people off, no signals, yadda yadda...)
 

Rogue

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67-68 MPH is not necessarily an admission of guilt. It's common knowledge that manufacturer speedometers vary a few MPH one way or the other. He stated something that indicated his speedometer read 67 or 68 and that in and of itself is not an admission of guilt, he was in fact telling the truth. However, the vehicle may have in fact been traveling exactly 65 MPH as measured by Laser or RADAR, a far more accurate method than using his speedometer alone.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Rogue
67-68 MPH is not necessarily an admission of guilt. It's common knowledge that manufacturer speedometers vary a few MPH one way or the other. He stated something that indicated his speedometer read 67 or 68 and that in and of itself is not an admission of guilt, he was in fact telling the truth. However, the vehicle may have in fact been traveling exactly 65 MPH as measured by Laser or RADAR, a far more accurate method than using his speedometer alone.

And he may have been going the 75 the officer clocked him at if in fact his tires aren't calibrated to the speedometer.
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Rogue
67-68 MPH is not necessarily an admission of guilt. It's common knowledge that manufacturer speedometers vary a few MPH one way or the other. He stated something that indicated his speedometer read 67 or 68 and that in and of itself is not an admission of guilt, he was in fact telling the truth. However, the vehicle may have in fact been traveling exactly 65 MPH as measured by Laser or RADAR, a far more accurate method than using his speedometer alone.

And he may have been going the 75 the officer clocked him at if in fact his tires aren't calibrated to the speedometer.

That is true. I have considerably larger tires than stock on my truck. My speedo and odometer are now 11% off. I have to remember that when it says 70MPH, I'm really doing 81. :D
 

Rogue

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And in the end, we're all assuming now aren't we? I'm taking the safe road, that most people don't drastically alter their vehicle with larger tires, etc. Furthermore, the prosecutor did not ask that question to our knowledge, so her assumption in the end, was most incorrect, calling him guilty without asking said question(s). Next?
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: Rogue
And in the end, we're all assuming now aren't we? I'm taking the safe road, that most people don't drastically alter their vehicle with larger tires, etc. Furthermore, the prosecutor did not ask that question to our knowledge, so her assumption in the end, was most incorrect, calling him guilty without asking said question(s). Next?

Thank you Mister First-Year Law Student. ;)

It's not the cops' prob that your speedo is off. If they say you were speeding, even though you were parked and the car wasn't even running, then guess what? You were speeding.
 

Rogue

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AS A COP MYSELF, I am not taking issue with the issuance of the citation. I am taking issue with someone saying he admited he was guilty by saying he was, at the time, driving within 2 or 3 MPH of the posted speed limit. Furthermore, I took issue with the prosecutor taking his admission that he was driving that speed without asking some of those pertinent questions. If I in fact pulled you over for speeding and noticed that you had larger tires on your vehicle, I would be inclined to ask how long ago it was done and if you'd recalibrated your speedometer as I have done with soldiers who have large tired vehicles here on post. Sorry for trying to help out here. :| ;)
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: Rogue
AS A COP MYSELF, I am not taking issue with the issuance of the citation. I am taking issue with someone saying he admited he was guilty by saying he was, at the time, driving within 2 or 3 MPH of the posted speed limit. Furthermore, I took issue with the prosecutor taking his admission that he was driving that speed without asking some of those pertinent questions. If I in fact pulled you over for speeding and noticed that you had larger tires on your vehicle, I would be inclined to ask how long ago it was done and if you'd recalibrated your speedometer as I have done with soldiers who have large tired vehicles here on post. Sorry for trying to help out here. :| ;)

See, that's the difference b/t the Military and the Civilian world. You actually care for and try to help your fellow soldiers/airmen, while in the civilian world, your just another ticket closer to quota.

I'm sure that the city your post is in/next to preys on military, giving out a seemingly endless string of BS tickets for everything from speeding to improper lane change to busted taillights.