W Vista Aero 3d question

[HerrWolf]

Hello there,

while enabling Aero UI in x64bit Vista Beta 1 on Geforce 6800 PCIe with drivers for Vista (recently posted on anandtech), i cannot see any mentioned glass and 3d features.
It all looks like good old xp meets high res/col icons from KDE.

Any idea?

 

[Ronin]

There aren't any LDDM drivers for nVidia based cards under Vista x64, yet. You won't get Glass for that reason.

 

[HerrWolf]

And for 32bit there are?
Thanks for info...

 

[Ronin]

Ayup, there are.

ftp://download.nvidia.com/Windows/vista/beta1/75.03_winvista.exe

 

[HerrWolf]

thanks... going to try it while i already have them thought

 

[HerrWolf]

OK, it works. Shame on them to prefer old 32bit platform

 

[Ronin]

I don't think it's preference. They simply don't have the 64bit LDDM drivers out yet. It's an early beta OS, and both ATi and nVidia didn't necessarily need to have LDDM drivers out there to begin with.

 

[HerrWolf]

they maybe think that they dont need it, but i do
anyway its nice to see that there is no slowdown in GUI with those features...

 

[exilera]

Anyone able to tell me where I might be able to procure myself a copy of the Vista beta?

 

[stash]

Get an MSDN sub or become a beta tester (I'm not sure if nominations are still being taken, I doubt it).

 

[HerrWolf]

MSDN sub is not expensive and for every developer brings many advantages.

 

[kamper]

Did anyone hear/read the rumors that installing drivers with OpenGL support will kill the 3d gui? I might not have understood the issue correctly...

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: kamper
Did anyone hear/read the rumors that installing drivers with OpenGL support will kill the 3d gui? I might not have understood the issue correctly...

that cant be true, unless MS doesnt want any worstations running vista.

 

[kamper]

Well, everything would still work, it's just that you wouldn't have the eye candy. What I've read is that ms has a version of opengl implemented on top of direct3d which they've used for their 3d gui. But this opengl is old and crippled (cause a desktop really isn't that fancy) so it's useless for games and 3d modelling and stuff. So you can replace it with a real implementation.

That's just what I've heard and I'm not a graphics expert. I'll try to find some links.

 

[stash]

Big discussion over at Ars about this: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/48409524/m/238008574731

 

[kamper]

Yeah, and googling "vista opengl" turns up a load of stuff

Do you have any insights on this STaSH? Most of what I've read so far seems quite unproven.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

so from what i read, you launch your favorite opengl windowed app and you loose the aero glass effects on vista. hopefully companies will offer directx modes for their apps and there wont be a problem.

3dsmax does this already.

 

[kamper]

Ok, I hadn't gathered before that microsoft's implementation and a real one could be installed at the same time (just not running at the same time). But it doesn't really explain why they would do opengl on top of direct3d and make it a crippled impl to boot.

 

[stash]

Do you have any insights on this STaSH? Most of what I've read so far seems quite unproven.

I don't know enough about this issue or openGL in general to make any useful observations.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

 

[err]

I run the Nvidia alpha driver with LDDM support and was able to get the glass effect

Pretty cool, but I bet I'll be bored with it soon as it takes system resources

eRr

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
so from what i read, you launch your favorite opengl windowed app and you loose the aero glass effects on vista. hopefully companies will offer directx modes for their apps and there wont be a problem.

3dsmax does this already.

Thus killing Opengl

 

[13Gigatons]

OpenGL was half dead anyways.