VW Supercharger-Turbocharger Combo Boosts Power and Economy

[NFS4]

As if VW's needed to be MORE complex :laugh:

WOLFSBURG, Germany ? Volkswagen has developed a combined supercharger-turbocharger system that will boost power and fuel economy of small gasoline engines.

The SuperTurbo Compounding system will make its debut on the 2006 VW Golf.

VW claims a 1.4-liter gasoline engine with SuperTurbo can develop 170 horsepower and 199 pound-feet of torque, compared with VW's existing 2.0-liter four-cylinder, which delivers 150 hp and 148 lb-ft of torque.

The system has been developed by American supercharger supplier Eaton. It is claimed the SuperTurbo eliminates turbo lag, while boosting overall power and fuel economy by 15 to 20 percent. Eaton said a car fitted with the system will be shown at the Frankfurt auto show.

VW's plans call for widespread use of the system, starting with a 1.4-liter direct-injection engine that is expected to debut in the 2006 Golf before heading into other VW models. Later, 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter versions will also be produced.

The concept is not new ? combined superchargers and turbochargers were common on World War II-era aircraft engines, and an Abarth-developed system was used on the 1985 Lancia Delta S4 rally car.

What this means to you: The new system could be very useful if the growing environmental lobby puts pressure on carmakers to make smaller engines. Fewer cc, but more power and better economy is a potent incentive.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106975

 

[Sheepathon]

Meh, it'll still break prematurely.

 

[laurenlex]

Sounds good. The big truck turbo diesels all have 100,000 mile warantees. The turbos do not seem to be an issue. Injectors do, though.

Smaller engines with forced induction might be a great idea.

 

[Howard]

Twincharging sounds more complex than sequential turbocharging, which is what BMW and BorgWarner have done well.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: laurenlex
Sounds good. The big truck turbo diesels all have 100,000 mile warantees. The turbos do not seem to be an issue. Injectors do, though.

Smaller engines with forced induction might be a great idea.

 

[mindwreck]

interesting, past week i was thinking about something like this. supercharing a turbo to lower the lag..

 

[laurenlex]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: laurenlex
Sounds good. The big truck turbo diesels all have 100,000 mile warantees. The turbos do not seem to be an issue. Injectors do, though.

Smaller engines with forced induction might be a great idea.

Explain my tardness, AgaBoogaBoo.

Making a smaller engine more powerful by forcing oxygen into the combustion cycle is not new or unreliable. Expensive, maybe.

Why not remove the turbocharger's negative (lag) with the supercharger's strength (no lag) and make them work together.

If turbos were unreliable, why would Ford, Dodge, and GM put 100,000 warrenties on them when the rest of the truck is 36k?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: laurenlex

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: laurenlex
Sounds good. The big truck turbo diesels all have 100,000 mile warantees. The turbos do not seem to be an issue. Injectors do, though.

Smaller engines with forced induction might be a great idea.

Explain my tardness, AgaBoogaBoo.

Making a smaller engine more powerful by forcing oxygen into the combustion cycle is not new or unreliable. Expensive, maybe.

Why not remove the turbocharger's negative (lag) with the supercharger's strength (no lag) and make them work together.

If turbos were unreliable, why would Ford, Dodge, and GM put 100,000 warrenties on them when the rest of the truck is 36k?

First, I was somehow thinking you were talking about semi's when I posted that

Anyway, VW's reliability isn't anything great, this is just another part that could break IMO...

 

[laurenlex]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: laurenlex

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: laurenlex
Sounds good. The big truck turbo diesels all have 100,000 mile warantees. The turbos do not seem to be an issue. Injectors do, though.

Smaller engines with forced induction might be a great idea.

Explain my tardness, AgaBoogaBoo.

Making a smaller engine more powerful by forcing oxygen into the combustion cycle is not new or unreliable. Expensive, maybe.

Why not remove the turbocharger's negative (lag) with the supercharger's strength (no lag) and make them work together.

If turbos were unreliable, why would Ford, Dodge, and GM put 100,000 warrenties on them when the rest of the truck is 36k?

First, I was somehow thinking you were talking about semi's when I posted that

Anyway, VW's reliability isn't anything great, this is just another part that could break IMO...

No problems, dude. I live in the mountains, and everybody has a diesel 3/4 ton truck.

By the way, they kick serious @ss at high alitiude, because the turbo makes up for the lack of oxygen at 5500 feet. It jams air in there like a pron star pumping a meth-tweaked hooker.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: laurenlex

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: laurenlex

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: laurenlex
Sounds good. The big truck turbo diesels all have 100,000 mile warantees. The turbos do not seem to be an issue. Injectors do, though.

Smaller engines with forced induction might be a great idea.

Explain my tardness, AgaBoogaBoo.

Making a smaller engine more powerful by forcing oxygen into the combustion cycle is not new or unreliable. Expensive, maybe.

Why not remove the turbocharger's negative (lag) with the supercharger's strength (no lag) and make them work together.

If turbos were unreliable, why would Ford, Dodge, and GM put 100,000 warrenties on them when the rest of the truck is 36k?

First, I was somehow thinking you were talking about semi's when I posted that

Anyway, VW's reliability isn't anything great, this is just another part that could break IMO...

No problems, dude. I live in the mountains, and everybody has a diesel 3/4 ton truck.

By the way, they kick serious @ss at high alitiude, because the turbo makes up for the lack of oxygen at 5500 feet. It jams air in there like a pron star pumping a meth-tweaked hooker.

Woah! What general area are you located in?

Just curious, must look awesome in the winters with all the snow, right?

 

[0roo0roo]

add the dsg tranny and itll be sweet

 

[Shawn]

Cool! My supercharger is an Eaton.

 

[randal]

utah or colorado. maybe some place in new mexico, but I'm going to guess Colorado, because I live in Colorado, and it's great.

 

[Ikonomi]

Didn't somebody post about combining a supercharger and a turbocharger recently and get ripped apart for thinking about it?

 

[Migroo]

FWIW the Nissan March/Micra 'SuperTurbo' did this.

It was under 1.0 litres in engine size. Probably never realeased in the States (its the opposite of what everyone drives ), its a more Asia/Europe thing. The engine and accessories were very reliable, and the only problems were the clutches which were used to (at most) the firebreathing power of a naturally aspirated 1.2 litre!

 

[iamwiz82]

only 170HP? That means a tiny supercharger and turbocharger.

 

[radioouman]

Did you guys notice that this is for a gas engine, not a diesel?

 

[lobadobadingdong]

The p38 lighting was the first production aircraft to use such a supercharged turbo if I'm not mistaken. We sold some to the british without the supercharger or turbo and the performance was by far worse.

 

[m2kewl]

it's nothing new, they had sc/turbo and turbo/turbo combos for a while now.

vw needs to go back to basics, like restarting w/the flintstone car.

 

[vi edit]

Now a VW vehicle can both suck and blow.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Now a VW vehicle can both suck and blow.

FTW!