VW GTI Review

Doggiedog

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
12,780
5
81
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601093&sid=a3p9Q7vEWYLs

Volkswagen’s GTI Is Porsche Fan’s Starter Car: Jason H. Harper

Review by Jason H. Harper

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- What’s so special about the Volkswagen GTI? A gussied-up Golf with a special grill on its pug nose, this squat squirt certainly is no Maserati.

Yet among certain car cognoscenti, the spirited, sprightly hatchback is a hallowed thing. The sixth-generation GTI recently won Automobile magazine’s Car of the Year.

The bare facts: It starts under $25,000 and has a scrappy 2.0-liter turbo four-cylinder engine with 200 horsepower and 207 pound-feet of torque. That’s much peppier than the Golf, but is pretty pale in this era of 500-plus-horsepower powerplants.

So what gives?

“The GTI has a direct bloodline to Audis and Porsches,” says Brian Scotto, editorial director of 0-60 magazine and a GTI devotee. “It’s an aspirational vehicle. The guy who wants to grow up and drive a Porsche will probably drive a VW first. It’s the least expensive German sports car you can buy.”

First released in the U.S. in the early 1980s, today the GTI is based on the $18,000 Golf (some versions of which were named the Rabbit in the U.S.), and is available with two or four doors, plus the rear hatch opening. The four-door model only costs an additional $600, though the two-door version looks cleaner.

My test car was a two-door model with an optional sunroof, Xenon headlights and a $27,255 sticker.

While the GTI may have created the segment of economical rockets, the front-wheel-drive hatch has stiff competition from the likes of the Subaru WRX and Mitsubishi Evolution. A similarly equipped WRX Premium has all-wheel-drive and more power (265 hp), yet costs only about $1,000 more.

Frozen Roads

With temperatures hovering around freezing and forest roads flecked with snow, my buddy Josh and I stepped into a steel-gray GTI to find out just what was what. Not having grown up slavering over the car, my vision was maybe a bit clearer than that of some colleagues.

Josh settled into the passenger seat as we set out onto a network of secondary roads. “Nice sport seats,” he commented. They were. My frame was slightly big for them, but they were clingy -- just right for keeping you in place during hard cornering. I was somewhat less sure of their plaid pattern.

I did like the eye-catching cross-stitching which ran along the inside of the perfectly sized steering wheel and down the leather covering of the six-speed stick shift.

Yes, it had a manual transmission, a feature disappearing on cars more quickly than bluefin tuna from the oceans. From Ferraris to Fords, everything I drive these days seems to be equipped with some type of automated transmission.

Smooth Shift

Yet while a six-speed automated double-clutch is available, the manual seemed perfect for the small 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine. Gear shifts were smooth and, most importantly, fun.

In fact as I swept through a series of off-camber S-turns, I was enjoying myself a lot.

“For a change, it feels really smooth,” said Josh, giving no clue as to whether he was commenting on the suspension or my normal driving style.

The suspension wasn’t spine-jarringly stiff like many small sports cars such as the Mini Cooper S with the John Cooper Works package. Yet the nose easily tucked into turns upon request, like a happy-to-please puppy.

“Smooth is fast,” goes a common racing mantra, and my speeds began to pick up. A series of short undulating hills, a carnival ride, big smiles.

Holding Corners

The biggest problem with front-wheel-drive sports cars is understeer. That is the tendency for the front wheels to lose traction in curves and bends, forcing the car to plow forward rather than turning. The effect is especially pronounced in turns with tight radiuses or when you enter a turn carrying too much speed.

To help counteract the problem, the GTI lightly brakes the inside wheels in a turn, effectively coaxing it to turn in, and reducing understeer.

I might not have been consciously aware of this electronic intervention, but as I dove into sharp twists fast and late, I certainly noticed that the GTI behaved better than most front- wheel drives.

Brakes were sturdy, but I rarely needed them. Power on, shift up; take foot of gas, shift down, turn; power back on. This is uncomplicated motoring fun. The fact is that you can’t use all the horsepower in a Corvette or Viper on tight roads anyhow. While I would have been cursing the GTI on the autobahn, on rising and winding lanes its 200 horsepower is plenty.

Bluetooth Connection

The rear hatch lends the GTI some practicality, the interior has Bluetooth connectivity, power locks and windows and a nice stereo, and it has a full complement of safety features from side airbags to electronic stability controls.

And yet there’s still something about the GTI which is not quite grown up. With its wedge shape, red-striped front grill and rear spoiler, it retains more than a hint of its boy-racer roots.

Whether you regard that as its greatest asset or liability depends on age -- both actual and mental. For me, I might not be a devotee, but I finally understood the appeal.

The 2010 Volkswagen GTI at a Glance

Engine: 2.0-liter turbo 4-cylinder with 200 horsepower and 207 pound feet of torque.

Transmission: Six-speed manual or automated double clutch.

Speed: 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds.

Gas mileage per gallon: 21 city; 31 highway.

Price as tested: $27,255.

Best feature: Supple yet sporty suspension.

Worst feature: It looks like a boy’s toy.

Target buyer: The enthusiast looking for an entry-level German sports car.

(Jason H. Harper writes about autos for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his own.)
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
I miss my GTI , I wish VW would stop sitting on their ass and give us the GTD already
 

Doggiedog

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
12,780
5
81
What kind did you have? I had an '86 GTI 8V. I loved that thing even though it was slow and unreliable.
 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
20,736
1,379
126
What kind did you have? I had an '86 GTI 8V. I loved that thing even though it was slow and unreliable.

lol I know the feeling. I had an old VW Cabrio (late 80s model), and even though it was light and 5-speed, it was sluggish and a money pit. Fun though, and quirky. For the life of me, I couldn't understand why to go in reverse you had to mash down and go all left and under.
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
What kind did you have? I had an '86 GTI 8V. I loved that thing even though it was slow and unreliable.

2008 GTI, the lease on it just ended and I traded it in for a 2010 Jetta TDI. I had the Revo stage 1 flash on it, boy was it a hell of a lotta fun to throw in the twisties.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
36,041
472
126
GTI's are still too expensive for what they give you. They under perform next to it's competition in practically every aspect.
 

coxmaster

Diamond Member
Dec 14, 2007
3,017
3
81
2008 GTI, the lease on it just ended and I traded it in for a 2010 Jetta TDI. I had the Revo stage 1 flash on it, boy was it a hell of a lotta fun to throw in the twisties.

Ive been meaning to ask you, did you have any problems with the DSG on yours??

Also, after riding in a few GTIs I'm glad i stuck with the Wolfsburg.. Same performance, more trunk
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
Ive been meaning to ask you, did you have any problems with the DSG on yours??

Also, after riding in a few GTIs I'm glad i stuck with the Wolfsburg.. Same performance, more trunk

Nope, it was one of the recalled ones, but other than that fine. Loved it, I hate driving normal autos now, once you realize how smoothly it shifts its hard to go back to the regular kind.
 

SamurAchzar

Platinum Member
Feb 15, 2006
2,422
3
76
GTI's are still too expensive for what they give you. They under perform next to it's competition in practically every aspect.

The GTI is an underdog when comparing specs to something like a Mazdaspeed 3, but drive one - let alone own one - and you'll understand why it's so far better than the opposition. There's really no car around its price bracket I would prefer owning ('07 GTI here).
It's fast, quite classy, doesn't draw too much attention, pretty good handling, really practical.. it's the package, basically. You won't hear too many GTI owners complaining about it.

I drove the new one two months ago or so, it's more refined, feels lighter/more agile too. The interior is better and it's quieter. Feels like a polished Mk5. I'm not a fan of the non-disconnectable ESP, but that's only because I like some hooligan antics. Otherwise it's a very, very good car.
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
The GTI is an underdog when comparing specs to something like a Mazdaspeed 3, but drive one - let alone own one - and you'll understand why it's so far better than the opposition. There's really no car around its price bracket I would prefer owning ('07 GTI here).
It's fast, quite classy, doesn't draw too much attention, pretty good handling, really practical.. it's the package, basically. You won't hear too many GTI owners complaining about it.

I drove the new one two months ago or so, it's more refined, feels lighter/more agile too. The interior is better and it's quieter. Feels like a polished Mk5. I'm not a fan of the non-disconnectable ESP, but that's only because I like some hooligan antics. Otherwise it's a very, very good car.

Exactly

The interior is second to none in its class, it feels like a much much more expensive car. It feels just as home on the racetrack as it did pulling into a valet at an expensive restaurant.

Chicks dig it to ;)
 

coxmaster

Diamond Member
Dec 14, 2007
3,017
3
81
Nope, it was one of the recalled ones, but other than that fine. Loved it, I hate driving normal autos now, once you realize how smoothly it shifts its hard to go back to the regular kind.


Yep thats what makes it worth it IMO. The dealer is replacing the MU on my DSG right now (common problem). Cant wait to get it back in 2 weeks :eek:
 

iamwiz82

Lifer
Jan 10, 2001
30,772
13
81
Recalls happen? I've got a rental for free for 2 wks, so no big complaints here

Sooo... a rattle in a domestic = horrific and awful, but a transmission that lays up your car in a shop for two weeks = acceptable.

Like I said, awesome.:hmm:
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
:hmm:

What an awesome transmission. :hmm:

VW bent over backwards for mine, I got a lease credit for time in the shop, a free brand new jetta rental for 2 weeks and them calling me with updates every few days. Shit happens, nothings perfect, hell look at toyota.
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
Sooo... a rattle in a domestic = horrific and awful, but a transmission that lays up your car in a shop for two weeks = acceptable.

Like I said, awesome.:hmm:

My cobalt had zero rattles actually, but the laundry list of problems of what broke on it is too long to type.

Consequently my 02 Tahoe has needed nothing other than oil changes, tires and a washer pump.
 

iamwiz82

Lifer
Jan 10, 2001
30,772
13
81
My cobalt had zero rattles actually, but the laundry list of problems of what broke on it is too long to type.

Consequently my 02 Tahoe has needed nothing other than oil changes, tires and a washer pump.

all 2x cars I have owned have required less than 2 weeks in the shop, combined. Keep telling yourself that this is normal, acceptable, and warranted, though.
 

coxmaster

Diamond Member
Dec 14, 2007
3,017
3
81
Sooo... a rattle in a domestic = horrific and awful, but a transmission that lays up your car in a shop for two weeks = acceptable.

Like I said, awesome.:hmm:

When did i say anything about a rattle in a domestic? Hell, when did i say anything about a domestic? Im not saying its great, but its not bad considering it did not NEED fixed. It was simply shifting rough occasionally, almost like a normal transmission.
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
all 2x cars I have owned have required less than 2 weeks in the shop, combined. Keep telling yourself that this is normal, acceptable, and warranted, though.

None of mine have either, asides for the cobalt. But as I said before, shit happens, as do recalls. They made good on their commitment to fix it and didnt hide it from anyone (coughtoyotacough). Hell they even comped my next oil change, what else do you expect them to do?
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
When did i say anything about a rattle in a domestic? Hell, when did i say anything about a domestic? Im not saying its great, but its not bad considering it did not NEED fixed. It was simply shifting rough occasionally, almost like a normal transmission.

Your DSG warranty is extended to 100k too now :)
 

coxmaster

Diamond Member
Dec 14, 2007
3,017
3
81
Your DSG warranty is extended to 100k too now :)

Yep yep.

More on topic.. Its amazing what you can do with a GTI. I rode in a friends the other day; APR stage 2 tuned. Coilovers, roll cage, everything you can imagine. It was unbelievably fast, even compared to a stock GTI
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
Yep yep.

More on topic.. Its amazing what you can do with a GTI. I rode in a friends the other day; APR stage 2 tuned. Coilovers, roll cage, everything you can imagine. It was unbelievably fast, even compared to a stock GTI

Stage 2 GTI should be able to run with/beat a 335i in a straight line, its expensive to get to that point though.
 

SamurAchzar

Platinum Member
Feb 15, 2006
2,422
3
76
all 2x cars I have owned have required less than 2 weeks in the shop, combined. Keep telling yourself that this is normal, acceptable, and warranted, though.

You're basically right, that is unacceptable. Unfortunately you learn to live with this, as I'd rather have a car at the shop for 2 weeks than drive a piece of shit for 3 years. My GTI had 3-4 issues so far (one of the front fans DOA, A/C unit broke, tailgate hydraulic holder leaking, faulty intake step motor), all taken care of by VW. I don't like this aspect one bit, but I'd buy this car again in a heartbeat. Maybe it's because I love cars more than most, that's why my driving experience precedes my consumer experience - and when it's practical, nice feeling and frugal like the GTI is, all considered, what can you do...