VTech Shooter Sent Video and Materials to NBC before rampage

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre
Topic Summary: Hatred of the rich

I'm not surprised and neither should anyone in here.

I've been posting about the destruction of the middle class by design by the rich and there are a ton of articles and threads about the growing gap.

Would not surprise me to see many more of these mass snappings.

The U.S. will go down as the rich want but it will not be pretty.

Just when I thought I could not be surprised by the stupidity in some posts, Dave comes in to prove me wrong. Let me get this straight. It's now the fault of the "rich" that some wackjob decides to go on a rampage and murder innocent people??

Sheeesh. You need medication man.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
You must have missed my part about turning them over to the FBI. Burning them on the spot was a reference to not airing them.

The public is the only body with the capability of preventing another tragedy like this. The information should be in the public domain as a result.

Originally posted by: bamacre
How long will it be until some other sicko wants to see if he can "break the record," then someone else trying to break that one.

If it bleeds, it leads. Television is driven by ratings. Ratings determine profit. If we want to dismantle the entire structure of television industry (trade it in for a 'state-run' style system like North Korea's?), then we can control what we choose to air.

Just the fact that we've all seen the videos and are discussing it on this forum means that NBC has done its job as a company; the ratings are up.

 

[spittledip]

He must have gone through some real shite to do something like this. There is no excuse for his behavior, but I feel sorry for him. I just saw some of the videos on the news. Really full of hatred. I wonder what happened to him. Of course why he took it out on those poor people. Really horrible.

 

[beyoku]

Why does United States air terrorist propaganda. 😛

 

[StormRider]

His plays makes me wonder if he was sexually abused by an authority figure (his father?). Are his parents rich or something? While watching some of the videos he rails against someone but doesn't mention any names. Is he railing against society? Or his father? He says things like "You made me do this. Now you have blood on your hands that will never vanish". And stuff like "You have your jewelry, your BMW, your cognac but you still need more? Wasn't that enough? Why did you have to also hurt me and cause me pain?".

It makes me wonder if his father was rich and thought about money a lot and sexually abused him and now he will kill others so his father will have blood on his hands as his revenge. Or was it all delusional?

I have a hard time thinking it is really against the "wealthy" students because most students are not wealthy. When I went to college at Maryland I never saw any tensions between the classes (wealthy and poor). I never saw any snobbery at all.

Why do these killers have to be so cryptic? Why can't they just say precisely what caused them to do it?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Why do these killers have to be so cryptic? Why can't they just say precisely what caused them to do it?

WHy do any of these types do what they do? I don't think even they really know. They have somehow seperated themselves into a totally seperate reality and we as society did little to nothing to stop that process. Indeed, we may even have percipitated it.

I don't need to watch the videos to know why he did it. He did it because he was in unbearable pain. We live in a society that either rewards or punishes. yhe felt compelled to dish out some punishment in retribution before he "rewarded" himself with an end to his pain.

 

[Drift3r]

The only thing this proves is that he was a crazy MF'er. Crazy people tend to do crazy things with very little justification involved. Really I don't see any real justification for his actions period.

 

[fallenangel99]

People tried to help him. His professors, his roommates, he even went to a mental healthy facility (his dad called the police i think and said that Cho might be suicidal).

What do you when someone doesn't want to be helped???

I wonder if the parents tried to help at all or his sister (don't know if he has any brothers). But there is only so much a person can do.

 

[StormRider]

Hmm, I listened to some more of his rants and my theory seems off-base. He used the terms wealthy brats and snobs which wouldn't apply to his father.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
People tried to help him. His professors, his roommates, he even went to a mental healthy facility (his dad called the police i think and said that Cho might be suicidal).

What do you when someone doesn't want to be helped???

I wonder if the parents tried to help at all or his sister (don't know if he has any brothers). But there is only so much a person can do.

Yeah, I agree. From what little I've seen, I can't really blame society for this. I haven't heard of any stories about him being bullied or made fun of. And when people try to say hi he would just ignore them. He supposedly was lonely but it would be hard to become friends with someone who doesn't even respond to you. And I'm sure he started creeping some people out.

One thing that I wonder about is why he killed the girl in the dorm first? Did they have a relationship? Were they mySpace friends and he assume it was more and got angry at being rejected? He supposedly stalked two other girls in the past. That would be 3 rejections. Did he then delude himself into thinking that he was rejected because he wasn't wealthy enough? And then started to blame the wealthy for his problems?

 

[SamurAchzar]

So, whenever a sycho loon says there's a problem, is there really a problem? People find the American way just fine. In fact, more people would like to be Americans than any other nationals.

I wonder how many of those who effectively say that loon has a point, thought so about Al Qaeda after the 9/11.
He's a terrorist, no less, with his own private agenda. Killing 32 people doesn't make you right.

 

[tomywishbone]

On the tapes, he sounds borderline mentally retarded. Not just mentally unstable, retarded. Was he actually enrolled in classes at VT? How was he even able to function on a day-to-day basis?

 

[SuperFungus]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Among the materials are 23 QuickTime video files showing Cho talking directly to the camera, Capus said. He does not name anyone specifically, but he talks at length about religion and his hatred of the wealthy.

I am interested to see what he had to say about religion. I hope he didn't think God will forgive him. I hope he knew he was going to hell.

I'm sorry, this pisses me off. I'm Catholic, very Catholic, and i know that you DO NOT know the mind of God. You spit in the face of all rational religion, and i take it very personally. You are in no position to be passing judgment on another's soul. Perhaps before pointing out the splinters in others eyes you should remove the board from your own. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Etc. Further I don't wish Hell on anyone, because Hell is not a tool for me to use for my vindictive feelings and tendencies. As angry as I am with this student's actions I sincerely hope he finds some kind of peace in the afterlife, as well as all those killed because I firmly believe they will find justice.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
People tried to help him. His professors, his roommates, he even went to a mental healthy facility (his dad called the police i think and said that Cho might be suicidal).

What do you when someone doesn't want to be helped???

I wonder if the parents tried to help at all or his sister (don't know if he has any brothers). But there is only so much a person can do.

The problem is that we dismantled our mental health institutions back in the 80's which has lead to a flood of mentally ill people onto the streets and a revolving door policy. Prior to that people could be committed against their will and forced to take medication if they were deemed a threat to society even if they had not committed a crime. Now that I have thought about this case some more I think this event does not illustrates the issue with guns in our society ( that is a minor issue here IMHO ) as much as it does show the huge gapping loop holes in our mental health services in this country. There seems to be a rather large inability deal with and keep tabs on mentally ill people who are diagnosed as a threat to society but have not yet committed violent crimes.

This guy was deemed to be mentally ill and a threat to society by a judge a long time ago before this incident. Yet since he had not committed a violent crime he was eventually let go. I know that with people who are schizophrenic they seem okay if they are on their medication. They can seem very normal and can effectively interact and deal with society. Of course the problem happens when they go off their meds or have not been treated for a long time because there is no one there to ensure that they keep taking their medication or to force them to seek help. This is usually when they have a psychotic episode and start having delusions like this guy and they eventually commit a violent crime.

As for his videos well.....You really can't rationalize the thoughts and statements schizophrenic person because they are basically brought fourth from a delusional mind stuck in a fantasy world that is made up by their own chemically unbalanced minds. I think the real problem is that our capacity to deal with the mentally ill and our resources for them are disgustingly inept. The facilities and check in systems to keep tabs on people who are no longer hospitalized for mental illness is almost nonexistent. System is setup to only deal with people who have actually commited violent crimes before they can receive the help they truly need.

 

[Aimster]

There is no point in debating your religious beliefs versus mine.

That is all I am going to say in this matter.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
On the tapes, he sounds borderline mentally retarded. Not just mentally unstable, retarded. Was he actually enrolled in classes at VT? How was he even able to function on a day-to-day basis?

Schizophrenia is a slow process in which the person's mind starts to degrade and eventually they are completely caught up in their own personal delusional fantasy world. This guy is a classic example IMHO of the condition. When these people are given medication they can seem and behave normally and function in society like anyone else. Of course once they are denied or they refuse their med's they start to slowly spiral downward and eventually you get what was seen in his videos which is a person caught up in their own parniod and twisted fantasy world. They are no longer able to distinguish fantasy from reality.

 

[SuperFungus]

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no point in debating your religious beliefs versus mine.

That is all I am going to say in this matter.

Thats good because my religious views aren't up for debate, I'm sure yours aren't either. I merely meant to express my personal objection to anyone who assumes that they speak for God, an objection I still hold. I made my post "hot" and I think I may have come on a little stronger than I really intended and for that, I'm sorry.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Every nation needs a scapegoat.

For the Nazis it was the jews.

For the Americans, it's the corrupt businessman.

Corrected for you

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre
Topic Summary: Hatred of the rich

I'm not surprised and neither should anyone in here.

I've been posting about the destruction of the middle class by design by the rich and there are a ton of articles and threads about the growing gap.

Would not surprise me to see many more of these mass snappings.

The U.S. will go down as the rich want but it will not be pretty.

Statements like this sound like you are sympathizing with him. If, for one inkling of a moment you are, please go run in front of a bus now.

My statements have nothing to do with the nutjob.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
People tried to help him. His professors, his roommates, he even went to a mental healthy facility (his dad called the police i think and said that Cho might be suicidal).

What do you when someone doesn't want to be helped???

I wonder if the parents tried to help at all or his sister (don't know if he has any brothers). But there is only so much a person can do.

The problem is that we dismantled our mental health institutions back in the 80's which has lead to a flood of mentally ill people onto the streets and a revolving door policy.

Expose already on the mental edge to corrupt business pratices what do you expect to happen???