[VR-Zone]Skylake-K coming out only 1.5 months after Broadwell-K

[Mondozei]

Has Broadwell been the biggest flop in Intel's recent history?

All the signs are pointing towards it. Now the Chinese VR Zone, which has a good record on Intel leaks, are saying that Intel is not doing any artificial delays and as a result, we should expect Skylake-K in Q3 of this year(and not in 2016 as many had assumed).

Skylake-U processors, for ultrabooks, are coming in the back-to-school timeframe, which leaves the Broadwell-U processors about only 6 months time, which is short, but still better than the laughable and pathetic 1.5 months that Broadwell-K this late spring/mid-summer until Skylake-K comes out in late-summer/early autumn.

Its possible that Broadwell processors will live on in price-pressured environments, but whatever the case, Broadwell will be rememberd not as an also-ran but more like a ghost that never showed its face and when it came out, was replaced almost right away.

Oh, and Broadwell-E is delayed to Q1 2016 instead of late 2015 as was previously planned. It seems that family of processors cant get anything right. Wouldn't be surprised if Intel replaces Broadwell-E with Skylake-E only a few months after that, too, just to keep up with the familliar pattern.

Source. Via Sweclockers

 

[CHADBOGA]

How odd.

If this is true, hopefully it will be a case that Broadwell was a learning experience for Intel and 14nm, and that Skylake is a good product.

 

[jpiniero]

That slide is old and/or fake.

 

[ShintaiDK]

A flop would mean its terrible and its not. The quick follow by Skylake is an entirely different matter.

Also I dont recall any Skylake-Ks coming. The roadmap in question is fake. Too much conflicting data.

 

[Shivansps]

Well i think its gona depend on DDR4... some claims that 1151 will support DDR3 and DDR4, and im not sure if thats possible, if 1151 and Skylake are DDR4 only it does not really affects Broadwell at any level. It whould be like Intel mantaining 775 while Core i launched on 1156.

 

[CakeMonster]

A flop would mean its terrible and its not. The quick follow by Skylake is an entirely different matter.

Also I dont recall any Skylake-Ks coming. The roadmap in question is fake. Too much conflicting data.

In that case, BW-K is still the game for those who have not jumped on S2011 and who are desperate for upgrades.

 

[mikk]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2418879

 

[III-V]

BDW-E has been known to be delayed response until 2016 for a few months now.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Well i think its gona depend on DDR4... some claims that 1151 will support DDR3 and DDR4, and im not sure if thats possible, if 1151 and Skylake are DDR4 only it does not really affects Broadwell at any level. It whould be like Intel mantaining 775 while Core i launched on 1156.

It does support both. But there is a catch. And its 1.35V DDR3 only. Another catch may be its UniDIMMs only, but thats still to be seen.

 

[Shivansps]

Well there is the problem, if Skylake only supports DDR3L and DDR4, is highly possible that they will keep 1150 as the "affordable" platform until memory prices stabilise.

Its just what they did with the 775 when they launched 1156.

 

[oobydoobydoo]

Skylake is done by the same company that did Sandy Bridge. It should be a much better architecture than Broadwell, so it's possible intel just didn't think Broadwell was adequate and moved their roadmap up.

I have full confidence that Skylake will show the Hafia teams prowess in engineering. Broadwell is looking like a dissapointment, luckily intel has the ability to move their roadmap up because of the tick/tock cadence.

 

[SPBHM]

if Broadwell-K can worth with Z97 boards and DDR3 and Skylake-K can't, it would make some sense to have both.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Skylake is done by the same company that did Sandy Bridge. It should be a much better architecture than Broadwell, so it's possible intel just didn't think Broadwell was adequate and moved their roadmap up.

I have full confidence that Skylake will show the Hafia teams prowess in engineering. Broadwell is looking like a dissapointment, luckily intel has the ability to move their roadmap up because of the tick/tock cadence.

I'm looking forward to the architectural disclosures of the Skylake core, too. Hope it's got some cool stuff under the hood!

 

[NTMBK]

I'm looking forward to the architectural disclosures of the Skylake core, too. Hope it's got some cool stuff under the hood!

I want to find out about the whole SKL/SKX split! Did they really make two variants of the core, one without AVX-512?

 

[CakeMonster]

If BW-K was meant to give 1150 and DDR3 owners an upgrade path, it makes sense to launch it along Skylake.

But if it doesn't support most DDR3 sticks, and older 1150 mobos can't run it, the whole thing just puzzles me.

 

[witeken]

Skylake is done by the same company that did Sandy Bridge. It should be a much better architecture than Broadwell, so it's possible intel just didn't think Broadwell was adequate and moved their roadmap up.

You can't vindicate physics, though.

I have full confidence that Skylake will show the Hafia teams prowess in engineering. Broadwell is looking like a dissapointment, luckily intel has the ability to move their roadmap up because of the tick/tock cadence.

Why is Broadwell a disappointment? BDW's timing is disappointing, but 14nm is process node that will reign over other companies' process technology for many years to come.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Why is Broadwell a disappointment? BDW's timing is disappointing, but 14nm is process node that will reign over other companies' process technology for many years to come.

Timing is everything in this business. If you release products late, then their competitive profiles fundamentally change.

 

[witeken]

Timing is everything in this business. If you release products late, then their competitive profiles fundamentally change.

Fair enough, and SKL will make up for that.

 

[III-V]

Timing is everything in this business. If you release products late, then their competitive profiles fundamentally change.

Yeah, it's the timing that's the most disappointing. I also like having a constant flow of new tech to read about... Delays get in the way of that.

 

[witeken]

Yeah, it's the timing that's the most disappointing. I also like having a constant flow of new tech to read about... Delays get in the way of that.

More time to argue about meaningless roadmaps and release schedules.

 

[Sweepr]

I wish their Atom roadmap was just as agressive as their Core roadmap for 2015 (Broadwell and Skylake @ same year). The Cherry Trail delay shouldn't push Broxton to 2016.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I wish their Atom roadmap was just as agressive as their Core roadmap for 2015 (Broadwell and Skylake @ same year). The Cherry Trail delay shouldn't push Broxton to 2016.

+1

 

[witeken]

The Cherry Trail delay shouldn't push Broxton to 2016.

Who says it does?

 

[erunion]

Also I dont recall any Skylake-Ks coming. The roadmap in question is fake. Too much conflicting data.

why do you say that?

I dont see anything suspicious on it.

 

[III-V]

why do you say that?

I dont see anything suspicious on it.

Roadmaps just haven't acknowledged its existence, so far. I'd be a bit surprised if they didn't have "K" SKUs at launch, though. BDW-K targets a different market, really.