[VR-Zone]Skylake-K coming out only 1.5 months after Broadwell-K

[witeken]

In general, I dont think people really care. They just want the best product for their needs at the best price. Now these forums OTOH........

I'm not talking about the layman. I'm talking about people who read CPU or GPU or phone reviews.

 

[AtenRa]

Personally I applaud Intel for at least trying to keep to their release schedule. They could have easily pulled an nvidia and milked broadwell for a year. It's nice that even though broadwell is late, they aren't letting it affect skylake's release much. And I'm glad because I'm dying to upgrade my computer and hopefully skylake is where it's at.

There is so much competition out there for Intel that they cannot stay far behind.
People will laugh but AMD will give a good fight at low TDPs starting with Carrizo and 20/16/14nm ARM competition is coming strong for 5W TDP and lower in 2015.
As we have seen Broadwell is nothing like what we were made to believe and Intel knows very well that 16/14nm ARM 5W TDP and lower SKUs will be way better than Broadwell in H2 2015.
At 16/14nm FF we may even see higher than 5W TDP ARM skus going for Chrome Books. Apple could make a 14nm FF 10-15W TDP ARM CPU for its Slim 11-13" Laptops.

 

[Techhog]

Via Sweclockers, VR Zone (the Chinese one) has said that it now looks like Intel is not going to stagger their release but do an all-at-once release.

That means Skylake-K, the full suite. It now looks like August 15th is the date, although as VR Zone writes, that date has been moved around quite a bit so we shouldn't be surprised if it happens again.

The point is that Intel is trying to get it all out before school/university starts.
I doubt that we'll even see Broadwell K at this point, but I'm happy that we'll get Skylake-K right away. Now just get us Skylake-E this year, too.

That kinda sucks. I wanted to upgrade to an i7 for streaming, but now I'd have to choose between sticking with Haswell or a full platform update. :/ If I didn't have DreamSpark, the choice would be obvious since I wouldn't be able to reactivate Windows 8.1 on a new board....

 

[Headfoot]

There is so much competition out there for Intel that they cannot stay far behind.
People will laugh but AMD will give a good fight at low TDPs starting with Carrizo and 20/16/14nm ARM competition is coming strong for 5W TDP and lower in 2015.
As we have seen Broadwell is nothing like what we were made to believe and Intel knows very well that 16/14nm ARM 5W TDP and lower SKUs will be way better than Broadwell in H2 2015.
At 16/14nm FF we may even see higher than 5W TDP ARM skus going for Chrome Books. Apple could make a 14nm FF 10-15W TDP ARM CPU for its Slim 11-13" Laptops.

Even today we see there is a Chromebook with the Tegra K1-32 in it, so that's a very direct place where an Intel Haswell was replaced with an ARM A15 derivative

 

[witeken]

Even today we see there is a Chromebook with the Tegra K1-32 in it, so that's a very direct place where an Intel Haswell was replaced with an ARM A15 derivative

Since Bay Trail, Intel has won back a lot of market share from ARM.

 

[dahorns]

Even today we see there is a Chromebook with the Tegra K1-32 in it, so that's a very direct place where an Intel Haswell was replaced with an ARM A15 derivative

Isn't it the other way around?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2834764/arm-vs-intel-why-chipmakers-want-your-chromebooks-brains.html

Two different analyst firms confirmed that Intel is indeed winning. “I can say that the [Intel] X86 share was close to zero 18 months ago, and the surge happened late in 2013 and it’s been steadily climbing since with no evidence of slowing,” Dean McCarron, an independent analyst tracking component sales, said via email.

Although McCarron tracks component sales, not systems, he said his research would allow him to make a “soft” estimate that about 75 percent of all Chromebooks shipped with Intel X86 chips inside as of the third quarter, while the remainder included Samsung Exynos ARM chips. If there’s any race to be run in Chromebooks, it’s between two Intel chips: the Celeron 2955U—which McCarron said accounts for almost two-thirds of the Intel designs—and the “Bay Trail” N2830/N2840 chips, which essentially make up the remainder.

 

[witeken]

Isn't it the other way around?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2834764/arm-vs-intel-why-chipmakers-want-your-chromebooks-brains.html

Yes, page 12: http://intelstudios.edgesuite.net/im/2014/pdf/2014_Intel_IM_Skaugen.pdf

 

[PPB]

Can we talk about adoption rates for a moment?

It seems Skylake will try to stay as polivalent as possible regarding RAM compatibility, with one catch. They will use their UniDIMM platform to achieve DDR3/4 compatibility without recurring to the old solution of sporting 2x the DIMM slots (half of the DDR3 the other half DDR4). These DDR3/4 UniDIMMs are said to be particulary close in appareance and pin count to the DDR3 SoDIMMs, but because some changes in the interface layout of the pin-array, current DDR3 SoDIMMs wont work with the UniDIMM interface.

Dont get me wrong, going to a lower profile/smaller size footprint regarding RAM is something good for the PC market (those NUC replacement boards sporting SoDIMM DDR3 interfaces that save a whole bunch of space are indeed fancy solutions) but the DDR3 SoDIMM incopatibility pretty much kills any chance of using ANY kind of DDR3 stick made to this day. My take with their decision of making Skylake both DDR3 and DDR4 capable was because DDR4 is still making its first steps into the mainstream market and making Skylake DDR4-only would have swayed a bunch of costumers of upgrading to the new platform, specially considering current DDR4 prices. So people could still use their current DDR3 DIMMs after upgrading to Skylake. Or at least, looking for some lappy's DDR3 SoDIMMs. But this wont be the case, so either way you are obliged to buy new sticks (which, I may add, will be made exclusively for this very platform as it's the very first one to adopt them).

My opinion is that probably Intel may hurt their sales with this decision, considering they will be creating a whole new interface just for their desktop platform, making people switch to this new RAM package technology and killing any compatibility to the 99% of the current DDR4/3 offerings. The only way I see people upgrading is with builds made from scratch. The very sensible portion of the costumer base that would just do partial upgrades are boned with this new UniDIMM interface.

 

[jpiniero]

If anything, UniDIMM will help Skylake adoption with OEMs faster. Intel could have just made Skylake desktop DDR4 only and not bothered. Retail sales are a nonfactor.

If Intel really is going to release Skylake-K as 4+2 it almost makes no sense to release Broadwell-K since the performance would be pretty similar since you would lose the performance boost of the EDRAM. Assuming the clock speed/OC speeds are similar which is very much up in the air.