I've not made an argument against letting people vote. He started off on this tangent about warrants. He was suggesting that the ID was going to be used to detain people with a warrant and I'm saying that people with a warrant will be detained period and no action or place will provide them shelter from detainment. It has nothing to do with voting like Jhhnn is trying to suggest.
I've not made an argument against letting people vote. He started off on this tangent about warrants. He was suggesting that the ID was going to be used to detain people with a warrant and I'm saying that people with a warrant will be detained period and no action or place will provide them shelter from detainment. It has nothing to do with voting like Jhhnn is trying to suggest.
:roll: You have not answered them. You dodge them and build arguments around them but you have not answered them.
Do you believe that a person with a warrant out for their arrest should be exempt from detainment if they are getting an ID? Is there any other place or action that would exempt people?
You see, you think I'm saying that we should have police there - yet I've suggested no such thing. You ask the mechanics of detaining a person but it is irrelevant to what I've stated. I've just stated that people with a warrant for their arrest will be detained PERIOD and that no place or action is exempt.
Again you project and misrepresent my statements and positions. I believe everyone should be able to vote - once - legally. Having a picture ID requirement will stem fraud and prevent/catch those trying to vote twice. Is it foolproof? No, but it's better than just allowing people to walk in to multiple polling places and vote.
This is fascinating in the extreme. I'm afraid, Jhhnn, that ShadesOfGray will never understand Big Brother until it is he that becomes the criminal. He is stuck with the notion that those who violate the law must be punished. Mommy Jimmy did a bad thing and he needs a spanking just like the one you gave me. Mommy, I am a good boy and obey all your rules, see how good I am. Now Mommy kill Jimmy like you killed me.
You will conform to the rules, period, or you will be made to pay.
Ve vant sie to register to vote und, bitte, marken de box der was say sie sind ein Juden.
You will conform to the rules, period, or you will be made to pay.
Ve vant sie to register to vote und, bitte, marken de box der was say sie sind ein Juden.
To me that is curtailing the right to vote. People have warrants for stupid things like traffic tickets and that's not a good enough reason to be able to strip the right to vote from them.
I know because I have a warrant out for one. I got a speeding ticket, and I payed it. Then I got a letter from the court that says I owed them another $50, so I called them up to see why and they said the payment arrived a day late.
I explained that I mailed it before the deadline and no place on there did it say it had to be there by that date. They said it had to be and since it wasn't the computer automatically put aout a warrant. I told them I wasn't going to pay it, come and get me. That was 10 years ago, if they charge interest it would cost me a ton to pay that warrant off now.
LOL, am I such a criminal that I should have my voting right taken away from me?? I don't think so. I don't think having some kind of an ID to vote is a bad idea, it just shouldn't have any strings attached to it.
Shades of Grey would make a good police officer someday. They like things that are Black and White.
"So please tell me why someone who has a warrant out for their arrest should be able to go into the DMV and get an ID without being taken into custody? Is there any other place that people should be exempt from being arrested if they have a warrant? "
Driving is a privilege. If you go to the DMV for a drivers license and have a warrant they should refuse to give you one. Nobody should be exempt from arrest by the police. The grocery clerk should not attempt to arrest you. Of course we can train children at school to turn in their parents. We don't want to be soft on crime. Being soft on crime makes it hard to institute a police state. Zieg Hardoncrime! Zieg Hardoncrime! Zieg Hardoncrime!
Driving is a privilege. If you go to the DMV for a drivers license and have a warrant they should refuse to give you one. Nobody should be exempt from arrest by the police. The grocery clerk should not attempt to arrest you. Of course we can train children at school to turn in their parents. We don't want to be soft on crime. Being soft on crime makes it hard to institute a police state. Zieg Hardoncrime! Zieg Hardoncrime! Zieg Hardoncrime!
And no one is saying that. It is just a stupid argument constructed by Jhhnn. Warrants have nothing to do with the right to vote. Being detained for a warrant is NOT stripping you of your right to vote.
If you have a warrant out for your arrest and you are detained - it has nothing to do with voting - it has to do with there being a WARRANT out for your arrest
So tell me 1EZduzit and/or Jhhnn - should we just declare election day as arrest free day? Should we also make an arrest free day so people can go to the DMV and register their vehicles so they can drive to vote? Why not an arrest free zone around polling stations. :roll:
Yeah good idea :roll:
You people who think that requiring IDs somehow prevents people from voting are hilarious. It is basic fraud protection so it's no wonder some people oppose it.
Thank you, gentlemen, particularly you, Moonbeam. In your own zany way, you can occasionally cut to the heart of the manner in ways that are really quite profound.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Shades of Grey would make a good police officer someday. They like things that are Black and White.
He can't see because he knows. Violating the law is evil and evil must be punished. Black and white, as you say. ShadesOfGray is in denial. You shouldn't be allowed to use a pay toilet if you have a warrant. "We must rid society of corruption and IIIIIIIIIIIIIII know what corruption is."
No ID's but make voter fraud a capital offense. Every citizen gets fitted with an electronic Guillotine that self actuates if an attempt is made to remove it and when you miss your court date or try to vote twice.
Different places have different rules. I'm happy with the rules in my state and I see no voter fraud. That doesn't mean things couldn't be improved, but if they want more identification then now required, they need to do it in a way that doesn't curtail anybodys right to vote.
I agree, they shouldn't do it if it curtails rights - but requiring picture Identification does not do that - it doesn't even come close. We already have picture Identification requirements for many things in our society and I don't see those being blasted for curtailment of "rights".
You'd rather let people bastardize the system and have more say in the system, than prevent it by requiring Identification? Why?
Because voting fraud isn't that big of a risk. We have been voting for 230 years aand nothing really bad has happened yet due to voter fraud.
I would take the people bastardizing voting over the goverment bastardizing ID any day of the week and twice on tuesdays.
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No doubt. Obviously the knees are jerking here. OMG voter fraud is such a threat we really must tattoo barcodes on our foreheads. Throw out the concept of the secret ballot so your boss can fire you for voting the wrong ticket. Hey, let's bring back the poll tax and add in Big Brother too!!
:roll:
What percent of votes are fraudulent? 5%? With less then 50% of the people voting it just doesn't seem like a major problem?
We don't need pictures to provide good enough ID to vote with. If the goverment wants my picture, they can pull it from my FBI file.
Oh, I agree it's not "major" but it is a problem. And since we have tasked people to come up with ways and ideas to fix the problem we might as well follow through instead of just going through the motions.
Requiring a photo ID isn't a major change nor would it require any major reworking of our current system, but it would help to stem the fraud.
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