voting in the U.S.

[fire400]

need help with politics assignment

name a few?

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Institutional barriers? What's that?

 

[FoBoT]

lets see

1. register to vote
2. vote
3. ?
4. profit!


what is the problem?

 

[fire400]

come on, hard core political anylists, bring it in.....

 

[archiloco]

errr...immigraton??

 

[spidey07]

There are none.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
lets see

1. register to vote
2. vote
3. ?
4. profit!


what is the problem?

is it troubling when checking out books from the public library requires more proof of residence than registering to vote?

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: FoBoT
lets see

1. register to vote
2. vote
3. ?
4. profit!


what is the problem?

is it troubling when checking out books from the public library requires more proof of residence than registering to vote?

yes, that is a problem. i was referring to the OP using the word "barrier"

my scenario seems to demostrate the lack of barriers. i wasn't trying to point out the system is susceptible to rampant fraud, which i think is what you are pointing out

the OP seems to think it ISN'T easy enough to vote, i was saying it is TOO easy to vote fraudulantly or easy enough to vote legally

 

[waggy]

Diabold!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

yes, that is a problem. i was referring to the OP using the word "barrier"

my scenario seems to demostrate the lack of barriers. i wasn't trying to point out the system is susceptible to rampant fraud, which i think is what you are pointing out

the OP seems to think it ISN'T easy enough to vote, i was saying it is TOO easy to vote fraudulantly or easy enough to vote legally

more like the OP's professor seems to think there are barriers.

 

[Queasy]

Funny that Mexico has more stringent voting requirements than the US. That Illegal Mexican that dragged a woman for a mile behind his car...they identified him by his fingerprint in the Mexican Voting database...

 

[SmoochyTX]

No barriers for me. I drive about a mile and show my voter registration card or drivers license. I vote. Easy peasy!

I live in Texas. No, I'm not illegal. No, I'm not a convicted felon. The only barrier I would have is if there happens to be a train at the time. Even then, I can turn around and go the 'long' way around (about 5 miles).

What kind of barriers could there be to voting???

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
No barriers for me. I drive about a mile and show my voter registration card or drivers license. I vote. Easy peasy!

I live in Texas. No, I'm not illegal. No, I'm not a convicted felon. The only barrier I would have is if there happens to be a train at the time. Even then, I can turn around and go the 'long' way around (about 5 miles).

What kind of barriers could there be to voting???

The question was posed by an ultra liberal professor trying to indoctrinate his students to his agenda. Happens all the time day after day. Hence in the realm of the "real world" this topic doesn't get many responses because it's met with a "WTF are you talking about!??" response.

Primarily because there are no institutional barriers. None. In fact is it way too lienient (sp?)

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
No barriers for me. I drive about a mile and show my voter registration card or drivers license. I vote. Easy peasy!

I live in Texas. No, I'm not illegal. No, I'm not a convicted felon. The only barrier I would have is if there happens to be a train at the time. Even then, I can turn around and go the 'long' way around (about 5 miles).

What kind of barriers could there be to voting???

The question was posed by an ultra liberal professor trying to indoctrinate his students to his agenda. Happens all the time day after day. Hence in the realm of the "real world" this topic doesn't get many responses because it's met with a "WTF are you talking about!??" response.

Primarily because there are no institutional barriers. None. In fact is it way too lienient (sp?)

Yep, the only barriers to voting in the US is laziness and apathy. Hell, even dead people and animals get out to vote.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
No barriers for me. I drive about a mile and show my voter registration card or drivers license. I vote. Easy peasy!

I live in Texas. No, I'm not illegal. No, I'm not a convicted felon. The only barrier I would have is if there happens to be a train at the time. Even then, I can turn around and go the 'long' way around (about 5 miles).

What kind of barriers could there be to voting???

The question was posed by an ultra liberal professor trying to indoctrinate his students to his agenda. Happens all the time day after day. Hence in the realm of the "real world" this topic doesn't get many responses because it's met with a "WTF are you talking about!??" response.

Primarily because there are no institutional barriers. None. In fact is it way too lienient (sp?)

Yep, the only barriers to voting in the US is laziness and apathy. Hell, even dead people and animals get out to vote.

QFT

 

[newmachineoverlord]

1. Voting is restricted to a single day, which is not a national holiday so the working class may have to take time off from work to vote, especially those with two or more jobs, and especially in the poorer districts where there tend to be long lines for voting. Polls are not open 24 hours, thus some long shifts are excluded from being able to vote. Thus the system is designed to discourage the poor from voting.

2. Proof of residency makes it harder for migrant populations to vote, such as college students. Some localities have remedies for this, but not all.

3. The high voting age ensures that people are in the habit of not voting because they are not allowed to. For eighteen years they are assured that they have no input worth listening to, and since they aren't magicaly different at 18 than they were at 17, this encourages apathy towards voting. If they wanted a high voter turnout, they would lower the voting age to 14 and have polling places for students in schools to familiarize them with the process.

4. In some localities "purge lists" are used to disenfranchise many people without cause, and seem to be designed to target minorities (who mostly vote democratic). This is known to have changed the outcome of the 2000 presidential election. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File

5. Since felon status is used to disinfranchise people, many localities deliberately pass laws making things felonies for which white people usually plea bargen themselves out of a conviction, and blacks charged with the same crime are usually convicted. This translates institutional bias in the justice system into bias in the voting system. There is a very strong economic and race bias in the legal system, so in effect drug laws in particular are the new "keep blacks from voting" laws. By "war on drugs" the government really means "war on black women." Edit: you'd probably like at least one source:http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race/criminaljust/
That is just a starting place, there is tons of lit on this topic, I suggest you read a lot of it.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: newmachineoverlord
1. Voting is restricted to a single day, which is not a national holiday so the working class may have to take time off from work to vote, especially those with two or more jobs, and especially in the poorer districts where there tend to be long lines for voting. Polls are not open 24 hours, thus some long shifts are excluded from being able to vote. Thus the system is designed to discourage the poor from voting.

2. Proof of residency makes it harder for migrant populations to vote, such as college students. Some localities have remedies for this, but not all.

3. The high voting age ensures that people are in the habit of not voting because they are not allowed to. For eighteen years they are assured that they have no input worth listening to, and since they aren't magicaly different at 18 than they were at 17, this encourages apathy towards voting. If they wanted a high voter turnout, they would lower the voting age to 14 and have polling places for students in schools to familiarize them with the process.

4. In some localities "purge lists" are used to disenfranchise many people without cause, and seem to be designed to target minorities (who mostly vote democratic). This is known to have changed the outcome of the 2000 presidential election. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File

5. Since felon status is used to disinfranchise people, many localities deliberately pass laws making things felonies for which white people usually plea bargen themselves out of a conviction, and blacks charged with the same crime are usually convicted. This translates institutional bias in the justice system into bias in the voting system. There is a very strong economic and race bias in the legal system, so in effect drug laws in particular are the new "keep blacks from voting" laws. By "war on drugs" the government really means "war on black women."

You have got to be kidding me!!!!!!! LOL

 

[JulesMaximus]

Being a citizen...

Speaking English...

Having proper ID...

Hmm, all the things actual citizens would have no trouble at all with. I don't see the point in this exercise.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Being a citizen...

Speaking English...

Having proper ID...

Hmm, all the things actual citizens would have no trouble at all with. I don't see the point in this exercise.

Hell, you don't even have to speak English.

 

[JulesMaximus]

2. Proof of residency makes it harder for migrant populations to vote, such as college students. Some localities have remedies for this, but not all.

Why would I want people who don't live in my community voting on initiatives that will cost me tax money? I don't see a problem with this.

3. The high voting age ensures that people are in the habit of not voting because they are not allowed to. For eighteen years they are assured that they have no input worth listening to, and since they aren't magicaly different at 18 than they were at 17, this encourages apathy towards voting. If they wanted a high voter turnout, they would lower the voting age to 14 and have polling places for students in schools to familiarize them with the process.

Why would I want people who can barely communicate and have no clue about life or politics voting? Dumbest response ever!!!

5. Since felon status is used to disinfranchise people, many localities deliberately pass laws making things felonies for which white people usually plea bargen themselves out of a conviction, and blacks charged with the same crime are usually convicted. This translates institutional bias in the justice system into bias in the voting system. There is a very strong economic and race bias in the legal system, so in effect drug laws in particular are the new "keep blacks from voting" laws. By "war on drugs" the government really means "war on black women." Edit: you'd probably like at least one source:http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race/criminaljust/
That is just a starting place, there is tons of lit on this topic, I suggest you read a lot of it.

Why would I want felons to vote? Fact is that people with more money can usually bargain their way out of jail. Deal with it. This is not designed to be a barrier to voting...it is to part rich people from their money.

 

[FoBoT]

1. B.S.
2. B.S.
3. repeal the Twenty-Sixth Amendment
4. B.S. my mo-in-law was a county registrar, they have procedures to purge non-voters, it is part of the system, you don't vote, you have to re-register, i don't see a problem
5. B.S.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: newmachineoverlord
1. Voting is restricted to a single day, which is not a national holiday so the working class may have to take time off from work to vote, especially those with two or more jobs, and especially in the poorer districts where there tend to be long lines for voting. Polls are not open 24 hours, thus some long shifts are excluded from being able to vote. Thus the system is designed to discourage the poor from voting.

2. Proof of residency makes it harder for migrant populations to vote, such as college students. Some localities have remedies for this, but not all.

3. The high voting age ensures that people are in the habit of not voting because they are not allowed to. For eighteen years they are assured that they have no input worth listening to, and since they aren't magicaly different at 18 than they were at 17, this encourages apathy towards voting. If they wanted a high voter turnout, they would lower the voting age to 14 and have polling places for students in schools to familiarize them with the process.

4. In some localities "purge lists" are used to disenfranchise many people without cause, and seem to be designed to target minorities (who mostly vote democratic). This is known to have changed the outcome of the 2000 presidential election. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File

5. Since felon status is used to disinfranchise people, many localities deliberately pass laws making things felonies for which white people usually plea bargen themselves out of a conviction, and blacks charged with the same crime are usually convicted. This translates institutional bias in the justice system into bias in the voting system. There is a very strong economic and race bias in the legal system, so in effect drug laws in particular are the new "keep blacks from voting" laws. By "war on drugs" the government really means "war on black women." Edit: you'd probably like at least one source:http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race/criminaljust/
That is just a starting place, there is tons of lit on this topic, I suggest you read a lot of it.

When was the last time you cast your vote?

Just because you don't have your sh!t together doesn't mean you can vote.

back to P&N with you and your refusal of facts.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
1. B.S.
2. B.S.
3. repeal the Twenty-Sixth Amendment
4. B.S. my mo-in-law was a county registrar, they have procedures to purge non-voters, it is part of the system, you don't vote, you have to re-register, i don't see a problem
5. B.S.

uhhh, how can you call #1 b.s.?? If today was a voting day, and I still lived in my old house, there's no way in the world I'd have been able to vote. I'd have left home about 1/2 hour before polls opened, and gotten back home about 1/2 hour before polls closed.

Also - in Hawaii, why bother to vote for such things as presidential elections? If you go to vote after you get out of work, the winner has already been determined. Your vote is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless at that point.

Another institutional barrier: wtf is my polling place? At my previous residence, the polling place for my ward was changed 3 or 4 times in about 10 years. Several times, I was left driving from location to location, trying to figure out where I was supposed to vote, and the polling location was different for different types of elections (school board elections, vs. mayoral elections.)


edit: another institutional barrier - some people simply can't make it to the polling place (i.e. see why many people couldn't evacuate New Orleans)

 

[fire400]

anyone else who's got some insiders? thx newmachineoverlord that was good shiZ. reminds me of the study where colored people who were pulled over by police officers were more likely to get a ticket, and the whole abuse on African Americans. thumbs up on your post.

anyoneeeeee eeeeeelse?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: fire400
anyone else who's got some insiders? thx newmachineoverlord that was good shiZ. reminds me of the study where colored people who were pulled over by police officers were more likely to get a ticket, and the whole abuse on African Americans. thumbs up on your post.

anyoneeeeee eeeeeelse?

Are you actually looking for answers or just somebody to reinforce your incorrect viewpoint?