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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.


Below is a true story on last nights news cast in Denver.

on March 26th a Logan County deupty made a routine traffic stop, the guy he stopped had drugs and was arrested. well this guy is an illegal alien who has been deported 4 times, has a extensive criminal background with drug dealing and is a heroin addict. THis guy also has a serious festering wound on his arm that was exposing the bone. he was sent to the hospital for treatment. Well Logan county has a annual budget of $70K a year to pay for inmate medical needs. ICE would not take him until he was 100% health.

as of yesterday this illegal aliens medical bill is at $290,000. guess who is paying for that. the citizens of Logan county thats who, in fact the sheriff said he is going to have to cut a lot of stuff and maybe even have to let a deupty go to pay the bill.

I don't know how small logan county is, but a prisoner medical budget incapable of dealing with one serious injury to one person has to be considered inadequate:p

very small, in the NE corner of Colorado, mostly farmers and very few people.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: piasabird
I have had several employers state that they pay their Mexican workers over $9.00 an Hour because they do better work and show up every day. So one thing to keep in mind is that Mexican workers do not all make minimum wage. If you are assuming this you are deluded.

Please reread my posts.

 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.


Below is a true story on last nights news cast in Denver.

on March 26th a Logan County deupty made a routine traffic stop, the guy he stopped had drugs and was arrested. well this guy is an illegal alien who has been deported 4 times, has a extensive criminal background with drug dealing and is a heroin addict. THis guy also has a serious festering wound on his arm that was exposing the bone. he was sent to the hospital for treatment. Well Logan county has a annual budget of $70K a year to pay for inmate medical needs. ICE would not take him until he was 100% health.

as of yesterday this illegal aliens medical bill is at $290,000. guess who is paying for that. the citizens of Logan county thats who, in fact the sheriff said he is going to have to cut a lot of stuff and maybe even have to let a deupty go to pay the bill.

I don't know how small logan county is, but a prisoner medical budget incapable of dealing with one serious injury to one person has to be considered inadequate:p
umm, why should they (we) have to fit the bill in the first place?!

The total amount of money set aside in ANY county for the medical care of illegal immigrants should be $0.00
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.


Below is a true story on last nights news cast in Denver.

on March 26th a Logan County deupty made a routine traffic stop, the guy he stopped had drugs and was arrested. well this guy is an illegal alien who has been deported 4 times, has a extensive criminal background with drug dealing and is a heroin addict. THis guy also has a serious festering wound on his arm that was exposing the bone. he was sent to the hospital for treatment. Well Logan county has a annual budget of $70K a year to pay for inmate medical needs. ICE would not take him until he was 100% health.

as of yesterday this illegal aliens medical bill is at $290,000. guess who is paying for that. the citizens of Logan county thats who, in fact the sheriff said he is going to have to cut a lot of stuff and maybe even have to let a deupty go to pay the bill.

I don't know how small logan county is, but a prisoner medical budget incapable of dealing with one serious injury to one person has to be considered inadequate:p
umm, why should they (we) have to fit the bill in the first place?!

The total amount of money set aside in ANY county for the medical care of illegal immigrants should be $0.00

you know they can not deny medical treatment thats a fast way to get sued. and you know hospitals dont just give away their medical services so a bill is sent out and the countys name is on that bill.
 

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.


Below is a true story on last nights news cast in Denver.

on March 26th a Logan County deupty made a routine traffic stop, the guy he stopped had drugs and was arrested. well this guy is an illegal alien who has been deported 4 times, has a extensive criminal background with drug dealing and is a heroin addict. THis guy also has a serious festering wound on his arm that was exposing the bone. he was sent to the hospital for treatment. Well Logan county has a annual budget of $70K a year to pay for inmate medical needs. ICE would not take him until he was 100% health.

as of yesterday this illegal aliens medical bill is at $290,000. guess who is paying for that. the citizens of Logan county thats who, in fact the sheriff said he is going to have to cut a lot of stuff and maybe even have to let a deupty go to pay the bill.

I don't know how small logan county is, but a prisoner medical budget incapable of dealing with one serious injury to one person has to be considered inadequate:p

I think we should send all the injured/sick illegals up to Canada for free helath care. :p
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.


Below is a true story on last nights news cast in Denver.

on March 26th a Logan County deupty made a routine traffic stop, the guy he stopped had drugs and was arrested. well this guy is an illegal alien who has been deported 4 times, has a extensive criminal background with drug dealing and is a heroin addict. THis guy also has a serious festering wound on his arm that was exposing the bone. he was sent to the hospital for treatment. Well Logan county has a annual budget of $70K a year to pay for inmate medical needs. ICE would not take him until he was 100% health.

as of yesterday this illegal aliens medical bill is at $290,000. guess who is paying for that. the citizens of Logan county thats who, in fact the sheriff said he is going to have to cut a lot of stuff and maybe even have to let a deupty go to pay the bill.

I don't know how small logan county is, but a prisoner medical budget incapable of dealing with one serious injury to one person has to be considered inadequate:p
umm, why should they (we) have to fit the bill in the first place?!

The total amount of money set aside in ANY county for the medical care of illegal immigrants should be $0.00

you know they can not deny medical treatment thats a fast way to get sued. and you know hospitals dont just give away their medical services so a bill is sent out and the countys name is on that bill.
send the bill to Mexico's government, or the government of wherever the illegal is from. I'm sure once those medical bills start piling up that the other countries may actually start fixing the problems at their end! And if they don't, our government needs to lean on them until they do.

You and I should not have to pay for the care or coddling of illegal aliens. I'm personally sick of doing so.
 

Stunt

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palehorse,

Socialists tend to be pro-protectionism through trade barriers and the like. For you to say "#$^#%^ socialists" when you are taking the protectionist stance is severely misguided. Besides, the number one advocate of illegal immigrants are corporations who have been getting cheap labour for years. The deportation of illegals is by far the most liberal stance of all the options at the moment. Palehorse...quit being a "#$^#%^ socialist".
 
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Originally posted by: erwos

Also, as a historical note, this country has never had immigration account for the majority of population growth, to the best of my knowledge. To say that immigrants built this country is a bit misleading. They've certainly had major contributions, though!

Do you include the children of immigrants as being attributable to immigration?
 
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Originally posted by: CessnaFlyer
I really don't see a reason to continue immigration. We have 300 million people in this country, we don't need anymore! Stop all immigration, then find all illegals in this country, and execute them!


What's very, very sad is that the Sierra Club would seem to have been taken over by altruists who don't recognize that a higher population means a greater strain on the environment. Actually, they do realize it because it's so obvious, but because they are altruists and because they buy into political correctness, they don't want to make it an issue because then they'd have to oppose immigration.
 
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Originally posted by: Citrix

Below is a true story on last nights news cast in Denver.

on March 26th a Logan County deupty made a routine traffic stop, the guy he stopped had drugs and was arrested. well this guy is an illegal alien who has been deported 4 times, has a extensive criminal background with drug dealing and is a heroin addict. THis guy also has a serious festering wound on his arm that was exposing the bone. he was sent to the hospital for treatment. Well Logan county has a annual budget of $70K a year to pay for inmate medical needs. ICE would not take him until he was 100% health.

as of yesterday this illegal aliens medical bill is at $290,000. guess who is paying for that. the citizens of Logan county thats who, in fact the sheriff said he is going to have to cut a lot of stuff and maybe even have to let a deupty go to pay the bill.

A couple years from now we'll find out that this guy raped and killed a couple American women. What's really sad is that oftentimes when illegals commit violent crimes, the media purposefly fails to mention that they are illegal aliens.
 

erwos

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: erwos

Also, as a historical note, this country has never had immigration account for the majority of population growth, to the best of my knowledge. To say that immigrants built this country is a bit misleading. They've certainly had major contributions, though!

Do you include the children of immigrants as being attributable to immigration?
No, because they're no longer immigrants. They're American citizens.

-Erwos
 

ExpertNovice

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It seems as if some are still convinced that criminal behavior is the only proper behavior.


What Democrat Senator Leader Harry Reid said during the Clinton Administration about those who are living in the United States of America (can't say America because it confuses some people in these forums) is quoted at the bottom of this post. We can all see how well President Clinton handled the immigration problem. As I see it, he handled it just as well as President Bush did. Both of them.

One possiblity for the United States of America, in an effort to appease those who hate the United States of America, would be to adapt foreign laws just as they want us to. Personally, I would prefer we continue to improve our country rather than destroy it. For example:
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may not participate in any Government activities.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may not protest.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants must be removed from their job if a Mexican wants the job.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may be deported with no due process, without warning, and they forfeit their property.
In Mexico those trying to enter the country illegally are shot like turkeys at a turkey shoot.

I'm still trying to figure out why our Democrat and Republican leaders treat those who have entered the United States of America illegally so much better than they do citizens of the United States of America as we saw Janet Reno treat them.

I assume the reason they allow "commandos" to barge into a home in Florida so a child who had entered the United States of America illegally could be deported but are unwilling to allow any Government agent to stop someone from entering the United States of America illegally is that the child would not fight back and didn't have thousands of liberal lawyers to defend him.



FLASHBACK: Dem Senate Leader Harry Reid: 'Our Federal Wallet Stretched To Limit By Illegal Aliens Getting Welfare'

'Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally'

August 5, 1993

The Office of Sen. Harry Reid issued the following:

In response to increased terrorism and abuse of social programs by aliens, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today introduced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress.

Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.

Reid's bill, the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993, overhauls the nation's immigration laws and calls for a massive scale-down of immigrants allowed into the country from approximately 800,000 to 300,000.

The bill also changes asylum laws to prevent phony asylum seekers. Reid said the U.S. open door policy is being abused at the expense of honest, working citizens.

"We are a country founded upon fairness and justice," Reid said. "An individual in real threat of torture or long-term incarceration because of his or her political beliefs can still seek asylum. But this bill closes the door to those who want to abuse America's inherent generosity and legal system."

Reid's bill also cracks down on illegal immigration. The 1990 census reported 3.3 million illegal aliens in America. Recent estimates indicate about 2.5 million immigrants illegally entered the United States last year.

"Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs," Reid said. "The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement.

"Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes.

"Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. "Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally," Reid said.

Specific provisions of Reid's Immigration Stabilization Act include the following:

-- Reduces annual legal immigration levels from approximately 800,000 admissions per year to about 300,000. Relatives other than spouse or minor children will be admitted only if already on immigration waiting lists and their admission does not raise annual immigration levels above 300,000.

-- Reforms asylum rules to prevent aliens from entering the United States illegally under phony "asylum" claims.

-- Expands list of felonies considered "aggravated" felonies requiring exclusion and deportation of criminal aliens. Allows courts to order deportation at time of sentencing.

-- Increases penalties for failing to depart or re-entering the United States after a final order of deportation order. Increases maximum penalties for visa fraud from five years to 10 years.

-- Curtails alien smuggling by authorizing interdiction and repatriation of aliens seeking to enter the United States unlawfully by sea. Increases penalties for alien smuggling.

-- Adds "alien smuggling" to the list of crimes subject to sanctions under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Expands the categories of property that are forfeited when used to facilitate the smuggling or harboring of illegal aliens.

-- Clarifies that a person born in the United States to an alien mother who is not a lawful resident is not a U.S. citizen. This will eliminate incentive for pregnant alien women to enter the United States illegally, often at risk to mother and child, for the purpose of acquiring citizenship for the child and accompanying federal financial benefits.

-- Mandates that aliens who cannot demonstrably support themselves without public or private assistance are excludable. This will prevent admission of aliens likely to be dependent on public financial support. This requirement extends to the sponsor of any family sponsored immigrant.

-- Increases border security and patrol officers to 9,900 full-time positions.
 

artikk

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Illegal Immigrants
Advantages
low prices on fruits and vegetables-anything picked in the fieds manually
lower wages since they don't need to use the minimal wage restriction in this case
jobs that normal Americans would never work on aren't vacant
Disadvantages
higher tax rates for legal americans
overcrowded schools and welfare system
less jobs from legal americans
money going out of USA towards Mexico to support the families there
terrorist risk(slight)

I think the legal immigrants' disadvantages outweight the advantages. The problem here is how to enforce and close the borders across south US and what to do about the illegal immigrants already here in the US.
 

babylon5

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may not participate in any Government activities.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may not protest.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants must be removed from their job if a Mexican wants the job.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may be deported with no due process, without warning, and they forfeit their property.
In Mexico those trying to enter the country illegally are shot like turkeys at a turkey shoot.

I'm still trying to figure out why our Democrat and Republican leaders treat those who have entered the United States of America illegally so much better than they do citizens of the United States of America as we saw Janet Reno treat them.
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Where can I find more about how Mexico treat their own illegals in their own country? I want to cite the source whenever open borders people think why USA should open its border wide for Mexico.



It might have something to do with the politically correct climate we live in today. People and politicans might be afraid to be labeled as racist or xenophoboic. So they rather avoid controversy at any cost.

I think business/rich corporation also have corrupted our politicans because they want to pay slave wages in order to make as much $$$ as they can. They live behind mansion and gated community, they send their kids to private schools, they don't have to live near gang infested neighborhood, they don't live near border area where drug runners and coyotes and Mexican army terrorize people with machine guns. Politicans just don't care about average citizen, they don't live your life like you do.


 

episodic

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.


Below is a true story on last nights news cast in Denver.

on March 26th a Logan County deupty made a routine traffic stop, the guy he stopped had drugs and was arrested. well this guy is an illegal alien who has been deported 4 times, has a extensive criminal background with drug dealing and is a heroin addict. THis guy also has a serious festering wound on his arm that was exposing the bone. he was sent to the hospital for treatment. Well Logan county has a annual budget of $70K a year to pay for inmate medical needs. ICE would not take him until he was 100% health.

as of yesterday this illegal aliens medical bill is at $290,000. guess who is paying for that. the citizens of Logan county thats who, in fact the sheriff said he is going to have to cut a lot of stuff and maybe even have to let a deupty go to pay the bill.

I don't know how small logan county is, but a prisoner medical budget incapable of dealing with one serious injury to one person has to be considered inadequate:p


Have you never seen a small town? Sheesh.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: babylon5
It might have something to do with the politically correct climate we live in today. People and politicans might be afraid to be labeled as racist or xenophoboic. So they rather avoid controversy at any cost.

ya, and basing it on this forum's members, is there any wonder why they think that may happen? there are too many among us who throw those labels around at everything in hopes that they will stick...
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: babylon5
It might have something to do with the politically correct climate we live in today. People and politicans might be afraid to be labeled as racist or xenophoboic. So they rather avoid controversy at any cost.

ya, and basing it on this forum's members, is there any wonder why they think that may happen? there are too many among us who throw those labels around at everything in hopes that they will stick...

Agreed, it IS a problem. On the other hand, it is also a problem that the anti-illegal immigration people can't seem to accept that their movement attracts the racist xenophobes as well as the people who just want better regulation. I don't blame anyone on that side for the idiots, but keeping them under control (or at least out of the mainstream movement) would do a lot to take some of the punch out of the labeling. It works now because, on some level, it's true.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: babylon5
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may not participate in any Government activities.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may not protest.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants must be removed from their job if a Mexican wants the job.
In Mexico LEGAL immigrants may be deported with no due process, without warning, and they forfeit their property.
In Mexico those trying to enter the country illegally are shot like turkeys at a turkey shoot.

I'm still trying to figure out why our Democrat and Republican leaders treat those who have entered the United States of America illegally so much better than they do citizens of the United States of America as we saw Janet Reno treat them.

Where can I find more about how Mexico treat their own illegals in their own country? I want to cite the source whenever open borders people think why USA should open its border wide for Mexico.



It might have something to do with the politically correct climate we live in today. People and politicans might be afraid to be labeled as racist or xenophoboic. So they rather avoid controversy at any cost.

I think business/rich corporation also have corrupted our politicans because they want to pay slave wages in order to make as much $$$ as they can. They live behind mansion and gated community, they send their kids to private schools, they don't have to live near gang infested neighborhood, they don't live near border area where drug runners and coyotes and Mexican army terrorize people with machine guns. Politicans just don't care about average citizen, they don't live your life like you do.[/quote]

Sorry for the delay in responding. I don't have time to "live" in these forums. Now, if I were in prison I would have all day long to post! ;)

As for how they treat illegals in their country you are on your own! A search of the web will turn up how they enforce illegal entry and Fox says they will be shot. He has the military and police protecting their southern and, to a lesser extent, the northern border. If an illegal is caught inside their country I'm not sure we would hear about their treatment. Perhaps they would be deported, perhaps executed, perhaps commited to an insane asylum for wanting to live in a country where millions upon millions of the citizens want to leave.

What I was talking about is how they treat LEGAL not Illegal immigrants. Basically, legal immigrants in Mexico have far fewer rights than illegal immigrants and even terrorists that act against the United States of America in the United States of America.



The original text (Spanish)
The present Constitution (Spanish)
The present Constitution (English)





Article 30. Mexican nationality is acquired by birth or by naturalization:

It is interesting that Article 30 states immigrant men may not become naturalized by marrying a Mexican woman. FYI, there is no need to read Article 30 except to understand it when reading Article 33

Article 30. Mexican nationality is acquired by birth or by naturalization:

Mexicans by birth are:
*Those born in the territory of the Republic, regardless of the nationality of their parents:
*Those born in a foreign country of Mexican parents; of a Mexican father and a foreign mother; or of a Mexican mother and an unknown father;
*Those born on Mexican vessels or airships, either war or merchant vessels.
Mexicans by naturalization are:
*Foreigners who obtain letters of naturalization from the Secretariat of Foreign Relations;
*A foreign woman who marries a Mexican man and has or establishes her domicile within the national territory.

Article 32. (14)Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces.

Article 33. Foreigners are those who do not possess the qualifications set forth in Article 30. They are entitled to the guarantees granted by Chapter I, Title I, of the present Constitution; but the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.


Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.

Chapter 1, Title 1 is very long some excerpts may be found at the bottom of this post.






Chapter 1, Title 1
Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country.
Basically, if you are a legal immigrant and are willing to consider yourself a naturalized citizen and if the Government approves it then you may aquire the use of land, land ownership, and/or mineral rights. However, at the discretion of the Government without due course prior warning may have to forfeit said acquisition.


The Constitution repeatedly states that Freedom of Religion exists but may not be mentioned in schools. However, note this entry.

Places of public worship are the property of the Nation, as represented by the Federal Government, which shall determine which of them may continue to be devoted to their present purposes.

Want to help those in need. (Luckily, no one in Mexico needs anything since as many here will attest socialist nations take care of the needy) (So, why does it seem that only Democratic nations, actually take care of the needy and the Democratic Republic nation helps take care of the needy around the world?)

Public or private charitable institutions for the rendering of assistance to the needy, for scientific research, the diffusion of knowledge, mutual aid to members, or for any other lawful purpose, may not acquire more real property than actually needed for their purpose and immediately and directly devoted thereto; but they may acquire, hold, or administer mortgages on real property provided the term thereof does not exceed ten years. Under no circumstances may institutions of this kind be under the patronage, direction, administration, charge, or supervision of religious orders or institutions, or of ministers of any religious sect or of their followers, even though the former or the latter may not be in active service.


Another interesting entry.
Article 10. The inhabitants of the United Mexican States are entitled to have arms of any kind in their possession for their protection and legitimate defense, except such as are expressly forbidden by law, or which the nation may reserve for the exclusive use of the army, navy, or national guard; but they may not carry arms within inhabited places without complying with police regulations.
Even in Mexico the individuals may keep and bear arms. Some carry laws do exist and I don't know how strict those laws are.

Even more interesting their Constitution states that each citizen MUST receive civic and military instruction on how to handle those weapons. Wow, can you imagine the liberal leaders if an a President of the United States of America tried to have all citizens learn to handle fire arms! ROFL
To be present on the days and hours designated by the Ayuntamiento of the place in which they reside, to receive civic and military instruction which will equip them for the exercise of their rights as citizens, give them skill in the handling of arms, and acquaint them with military discipline.





 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: babylon5
It might have something to do with the politically correct climate we live in today. People and politicans might be afraid to be labeled as racist or xenophoboic. So they rather avoid controversy at any cost.

ya, and basing it on this forum's members, is there any wonder why they think that may happen? there are too many among us who throw those labels around at everything in hopes that they will stick...

Agreed, it IS a problem. On the other hand, it is also a problem that the anti-illegal immigration people can't seem to accept that their movement attracts the racist xenophobes as well as the people who just want better regulation. I don't blame anyone on that side for the idiots, but keeping them under control (or at least out of the mainstream movement) would do a lot to take some of the punch out of the labeling. It works now because, on some level, it's true.

Thank you. I have been stating for a long time that racists exist in all aspects of life. Democrats, Republicans, liberals, and conservatives. Oh, Indepents and middle-of-the-roaders.

Luckily, this issue is one that is not a political issue, although many would attempt to label it as such. Luckily, the overwhelming majority of honest and legal citizens and even most of the soon-to-be citizens of the United States of America agree with upholding the law. Only a few actually believe that illegal actions should be rewarded.
 
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Don't forget about self-proclaimed "anti-racists" who are themselves racists, advocating racial collectivism such as Affirmative Action and multiculturalism.
 

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Good. Step 1 is to secure the border. Until that is done this is a cycle that will repeate itself.
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Good. Step 1 is to secure the border. Until that is done this is a cycle that will repeate itself.

QFT

QFT? Are you saying he's wrong?...........Giving these people citizenship would encourage more of them to come and wait for the next amnesty period. We already had an amnesty in the early 80's.....did it work? NO......if the border is not secured first there is no point to doing anything else......