Voter fraud is the biggest lie of 2012

[thraashman]

That's a quite conservative estimate, presuming only one lie per post. Seems unlikely.

No, no. If you look at how I worded it. I said he's lied in that many posts, not that many times he's lied. Even if he lies 10 times in a single post it's still only one post that he lied in.

 

[cybrsage]

Please provide the states that it is illegal to ask someone prove who they are.

Take the list of states that require you to show photo ID and subtract that number from 51 (DC included). I believe there are 7 photo ID states, which means there are 44 states where it is illegal to make someone prove who they are prior to voting.

 

[cybrsage]

You realize who you're talking to right? I'm fairly sure that he's lied in 12,767 posts since he joined these forums.

That's a quite conservative estimate, presuming only one lie per post. Seems unlikely.

Hur Hur! You two come up with this stuff before or after you share the one toothbrush in you bathroom?

 

[Bowfinger]

No, no. If you look at how I worded it. I said he's lied in that many posts, not that many times he's lied. Even if he lies 10 times in a single post it's still only one post that he lied in.

Oops, my mistake. You did indeed.

 

[cybrsage]

You two really need to each get your own toothbrush. You can lay them side by side in your bathroom. Get different colors so you do not get confused, we all know how easy it is for you both to get confused.

 

[shortylickens]

If you would kick out the illegals, we woudnt worry so much about voter fraud.

 

[thraashman]

You two really need to each get your own toothbrush. You can lay them side by side in your bathroom. Get different colors so you do not get confused, we all know how easy it is for you both to get confused.

We have our own toothbrushes, we share the soap.

 

[Nintendesert]

If you would kick out the illegals, we woudnt worry so much about voter fraud.

Can't kick out illegals when the DHS personnel are going to get furloughed.

 

[Incorruptible]

If you would kick out the illegals, we woudnt worry so much about voter fraud.

Idiot liberals dont like that because they need them for votes

 

[shortylickens]

We have our own toothbrushes, we share the soap.

D:
Ewww

 

[CycloWizard]

Do you know why the DOJ was involved? Because Texas is one of those states that have a history of voter descrimination and is now subject to the provisions of the voter rights act.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...d-law-republican-controlled-texas-legislature

A mobile ID station? As in one of them? Who will be operating them? Who will pay for these stations?

And lastly how would the law have prevented the most common type of voter fraud, absentee ballot fraud?

So it appears you are ok with government waste and laws that don't fix a problem that hardly even exists in the first place.

How much work are you willing to do to fix a problem that hasn't been an issue for the last 200+ years?

The answer to all of your questions is self explanatory and have already been addressed in this thread. You have no idea what type of voter fraud is actually the most prevalent since you have no data on the type of voter fraud such IDs might prevent. It's literally impossible to have any scientific data since no validation process exists by which fraud could be estimated. Any study claiming to estimate such fraud is itself a scientific fraud claiming to quantify the unquantifiable. Positions justified on the basis of such studies are likewise based on nothing.

I can walk into a polling place and give them any name I want. Thanks to the DOJ ruling, the poll workers are not allowed to ask me to prove that I am who I claim I am. I can therefore vote as many times as I would like to vote. Whether or not this actually happens or will happen in the future is immaterial as I have no certainty that my right to vote will not be taken away by some unnamed person voting in my place or my vote being cancelled by a serial voter.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So we have a cow about voter ID (who people may not like but can be had anyway) and are thrilled that the government can punish you for not doing something that it cannot legally compel one to do.

Wrong priorities.

 

[fskimospy]

The answer to all of your questions is self explanatory and have already been addressed in this thread. You have no idea what type of voter fraud is actually the most prevalent since you have no data on the type of voter fraud such IDs might prevent. It's literally impossible to have any scientific data since no validation process exists by which fraud could be estimated. Any study claiming to estimate such fraud is itself a scientific fraud claiming to quantify the unquantifiable. Positions justified on the basis of such studies are likewise based on nothing.

I can walk into a polling place and give them any name I want. Thanks to the DOJ ruling, the poll workers are not allowed to ask me to prove that I am who I claim I am. I can therefore vote as many times as I would like to vote. Whether or not this actually happens or will happen in the future is immaterial as I have no certainty that my right to vote will not be taken away by some unnamed person voting in my place or my vote being cancelled by a serial voter.

This is flatly false. How many times does this lie need to be debunked?

If people were voting multiple times or under names not their own you would see statistically significant numbers of double votes where both the legitimate voter and the fraudster attempted to vote under the same name. This does not happen. If in person voter fraud were happening at significant levels you should see lots of this.

Every attempt to explain this massive hole blown in pro voter ID arguments always seems to involve a massive conspiracy, surveillance, mail theft, and all sorts of other crimes worthy of an Ocean's Eleven movie.

I really have to ask, why are you so invested in stopping something for which there is no evidence? Why do you believe in things like this for which there is no evidence?

 

[ivwshane]

The answer to all of your questions is self explanatory and have already been addressed in this thread. You have no idea what type of voter fraud is actually the most prevalent since you have no data on the type of voter fraud such IDs might prevent. It's literally impossible to have any scientific data since no validation process exists by which fraud could be estimated. Any study claiming to estimate such fraud is itself a scientific fraud claiming to quantify the unquantifiable. Positions justified on the basis of such studies are likewise based on nothing.

I can walk into a polling place and give them any name I want. Thanks to the DOJ ruling, the poll workers are not allowed to ask me to prove that I am who I claim I am. I can therefore vote as many times as I would like to vote. Whether or not this actually happens or will happen in the future is immaterial as I have no certainty that my right to vote will not be taken away by some unnamed person voting in my place or my vote being cancelled by a serial voter.

So studies that claim it happens rarely are a fraud but you saying you don't know if it happens means we should do something about it? Well shit! Thats a good enough reason as I've ever seen! It's best to protect YOUR vote versus the hundred of thousands of other voters who would be disenfranchised over voter ID laws because you think something is happening but you don't know if it is or not.

Tard is going to tard I guess.


I love how unqualified people think they can claim a study or data can be a fraud with zero evidence but their own gut feeling and expect people to take them seriously.

 

[TallBill]

Because its idiotic in today's age to not require an ID.

 

[ivwshane]

Because its idiotic in today's age to not require an ID.

Yeah we get that, that's not the issue. I know it's a big thread but at least read the last few pages to see where the discussion is.

 

[CycloWizard]

So studies that claim it happens rarely are a fraud but you saying you don't know if it happens means we should do something about it? Well shit! Thats a good enough reason as I've ever seen! It's best to protect YOUR vote versus the hundred of thousands of other voters who would be disenfranchised over voter ID laws because you think something is happening but you don't know if it is or not.

Tard is going to tard I guess.


I love how unqualified people think they can claim a study or data can be a fraud with zero evidence but their own gut feeling and expect people to take them seriously.

Simpletons who lack critical thinking skills merely parrot what their betters tell them as they are incapable of arriving at their own conclusions. I am more than qualified to tell you that lack of evidence is not the same as evidence of lack. What justification do you offer for someone who does not obtain a free voter ID within four years when door-to-door service is offered? Why are you willing to stand up for their absolute right to vote while throwing mine under the bus? If a person can, even in principle, vote an unlimited number of times and even take my vote, then I have been effectively disenfranchised.

 

[EagleKeeper]

No. I was responding to his statements he made latter in his post, did you conveniently overlook that?

I re-read and offer an apology:wub:

 

[EagleKeeper]

All one needs to mention is that only Repub controlled state legislatures are pushing for "voter ID laws".

Gee, I wonder why? <----And yes, it's a rhetorical question.

Possibly because the Dems are willing to accept fraud

And yes, it's a rhetorical answer

 

[ivwshane]

Simpletons who lack critical thinking skills merely parrot what their betters tell them as they are incapable of arriving at their own conclusions. I am more than qualified to tell you that lack of evidence is not the same as evidence of lack. What justification do you offer for someone who does not obtain a free voter ID within four years when door-to-door service is offered? Why are you willing to stand up for their absolute right to vote while throwing mine under the bus? If a person can, even in principle, vote an unlimited number of times and even take my vote, then I have been effectively disenfranchised.

Uh because we already have processes in place that prevent that from happening and when fraud does happen it is caught as evidence by the story that resurrected this thread.

Indeed your thoughts sound like those that parrot right wing talking points and your posts are evidence of you lacking critical thinking skills.

In order to prove your point you dismiss my point with zero evidence and to maintain your point you say any evidence is fraudulent. So voter fraud which usually happens via absentee ballots (such as in the story that resurrected this thread) wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws is a made up issue in your eyes but in person voter fraud, of which you say you don't know happens should be addressed regardless if it disenfranchises hundred of thousands of voters. Yes, I'm the simpleton./s

Your posts read like that of another idiot poster who posts with his gut and never has facts on his side.

 

[jackstar7]

Possibly because the Dems are willing to accept fraud

And yes, it's a rhetorical answer

Accept it in exchange for higher turnout/facility of voting. I believe that's is what they accept.

 

[CycloWizard]

Uh because we already have processes in place that prevent that from happening and when fraud does happen it is caught as evidence by the story that resurrected this thread.

Indeed your thoughts sound like those that parrot right wing talking points and your posts are evidence of you lacking critical thinking skills.

In order to prove your point you dismiss my point with zero evidence and to maintain your point you say any evidence is fraudulent. So voter fraud which usually happens via absentee ballots (such as in the story that resurrected this thread) wouldn't be stopped by voter ID laws is a made up issue in your eyes but in person voter fraud, of which you say you don't know happens should be addressed regardless if it disenfranchises hundred of thousands of voters. Yes, I'm the simpleton./s

Your posts read like that of another idiot poster who posts with his gut and never has facts on his side.

How many kids sneak into movie theaters without appropriate tickets? Please include confidence intervals for your estimation. Based on your logic, you should easily be able to provide factual evidence for this scenario which is directly analogous to voting without ID.

 

[ivwshane]

How many kids sneak into movie theaters without appropriate tickets? Please include confidence intervals for your estimation. Based on your logic, you should easily be able to provide factual evidence for this scenario which is directly analogous to voting without ID.

Here is my study;
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/

Where is your study or data that refutes the above or provides contrary data.

It should be pretty easy to disprove when fraud is involved.

Here is a good article with more good info:
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/voter-id-laws-charts-maps

 

[cybrsage]

We have our own toothbrushes, we share the soap.

Ah, that is not so bad. Soap is clean by definition, right?

 

[cybrsage]

I am still wanting to know how we prove the people voting are of legal voting age if we do not use photo ID. We demand photo ID to prove people are of legal age to buy alcohol, why not to vote?