Voter fraud is the biggest lie of 2012

[Humpy]

Relatively small? We're the third most populous country on the planet. You ever done development on a large system? There's over 200 million voting age people on the planet, systems that handle that many records have to be extremely robust. And then you have the fact that each state has its own rules and laws. It's actually massively more complicated than you think it is.

Relatively small compared to the size of other data sets we routinely and accurately manage to keep track of and compile accurate results from. Google, Amazon, Facebook, the Federal Government, etc. could each easily handle the technical side with their current excess capacity. If the rumors of our "Total Information Awareness" systems are accurate the controversy surrounding the determination of who is eligible to vote is laughable.

It's definitely not massively more complicated than I think it is. It's massively more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[techs]

Just proof that, given enough rope, you will hang yourself with it:


http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1103/110317lakecounty.htm

Ok, you found ONE person. Now lets kick 758,000 people off the rolls in Pennsylvainia.
Like I said, when it comes time to actually make a case in court the Republicans came up with an average of less than ONE voter per state per year. And they admitted that some of them were really legal voters.

Thanks. After your intense efforts to prove voter fraud exists you came up with ONE FRACKING PERSON!!!

CAPS ON

ONE PERSON,ONE PERSON,ONE PERSON

 

[thraashman]

Ah, so you are trolling. Noted, ignored.

After spending the entire thread trolling the OP, you just called someone else a troll. My irony meter just went into the red.

 

[cybrsage]

Ok, you found ONE person. Now lets kick 758,000 people off the rolls in Pennsylvainia.
Like I said, when it comes time to actually make a case in court the Republicans came up with an average of less than ONE voter per state per year. And they admitted that some of them were really legal voters.

Thanks. After your intense efforts to prove voter fraud exists you came up with ONE FRACKING PERSON!!!

CAPS ON

ONE PERSON,ONE PERSON,ONE PERSON

You very specifically requested one person and claimed we cannot find even one. I already had found one, I just wanted to you stuff the entire crow into your mouth first. How does that crow taste?

So are you finally going to admit your thread title is not the truth, voter fraud is not a lie?

 

[cybrsage]

After spending the entire thread trolling the OP, you just called someone else a troll. My irony meter just went into the red.

You come into this thread and complain about other threads. Yep, trolling found.

 

[techs]

You very specifically requested one person and claimed it is impossible to find even one. I already had found one, I just wanted to you stuff the entire crow into your mouth first. How does that crow taste?

So are you finally going to admit your thread title is not the truth, voter fraud is not a lie?

I actually tried to teach you something. After all your searching you came up with ONE person.
Which proves that voter fraud is not a problem.
Yes, thanks. You thought you were trolling but all people will see is that the best anyone could come up with was that ONE person was all they could find.

Yep. ONE PERSON. That's the total anyone could come up with to prove voter fraud exists.

Thanks.

 

[Humpy]

The potential for fraud will always exist. Require ID? If someone really wants to go down and vote fraudulently, they can just obtain a fake ID. Or they can just get an absentee ballot or 200. Requiring ID won't stop fraud if it does exist, but will put up a barrier to stop many legitimate citizens from voting.

I agree and don't see evidence that ID cards will significantly reduce inaccuracies of the system. I'd prefer to focus on increasing the number of people who vote.

In my state the study of 46,000 possible ineligible voters found that 300 were actually ineligible and only 9 of those had actually voted.

 

[blankslate]

You are the one who is holding the everything-proof-gun proof shield.

No I'm providing links and discussing information they have you're accusing someone of being a fear monger for discussing said information.

 

[cybrsage]

No I'm providing links and discussing information they have you're accusing someone of being a fear monger for discussing said information.

You keep showing a clip of someone saying something that you then add your bias to and say it has to mean what you feel it means because anything else does not align with your political view.

You can choose which spin you believe, and you did so. Move along, no one else cares.

 

[cybrsage]

I actually tried to teach you something. After all your searching you came up with ONE person.

You requested one person, I provided one person. If you did not want one person you should not have request one person. Do not blame me because you are an idiot.

Thanks.

You are welcome. Any time you need someone to show you that you are wrong, I can help out.

 

[marincounty]

I'll simplify this for you. Politics is about winning, and Republicans are much better at it than Democrats.
Since Nixon the Republicans have been using dirty tricks-and winning. The October suprise, Bush's selection by the Supreme Court even though he lost the election, the recall of the Governor in California, etc...
The Voter suppression push is just the latest in the dirty tricks playbook of scumbag Republicans. Just what they need to win in a sure to be close election.

 

[Dannar26]

I work at a bank. If you want me to withdraw money for you, then you must present me with some ID. This way the money goes where it's supposed to.

Oh wait, that's a bad example. Democrats have no legitimate concept about where money's supposed to go. Hmmm...

What's so bad about proving who you are? Are you the same loonies that think it's bad to drug test welfare recipients?

Duely blundered from my thunderdolt

 

[shira]

A corollary of your argument in that people have to leave their homes to physically go to pick up a free ID - the same burden they have when they have to physically go somewhere to vote. Why is one of these minor inconveniences more severe than the other? One can also cast a provisional ballot without ID (at least in Pennsylvania). Using your logic, the only reason you rail against the ID is because you know the provisional ballot will be thrown out since the voter was not eligible in the first place.

Because leaving their homes to pick up an ID card is an EXTRA step. Furthermore, absentee balloting allows voters to cast their ballots without leaving their homes.

Are you claiming that adding an ID requirement will suppress 0 votes? If there are 750,000 registered Pennsylvania voters without IDs, are you claiming that none of these who would otherwise vote will fail to vote because of the new ID rule? IS THIS REALLY YOUR CLAIM?

Now, answer the fvcking question, you fraud: How many votes suppressed is worth one fraudulent vote prevented?

Answer the question. ANSWER THE QUESTION.

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!

 

[OutHouse]

why do democrats not care that non citizens are voting??? i just dont understand why voter fraud is not a big deal to the party.

 

[OutHouse]

Bush's selection by the Supreme Court even though he lost the election,

oh god, you are as bad as the birthers.

its been proven by every recount and every investigation that bush did win by votes. jesus get over it.

 

[OutHouse]

I actually tried to teach you something. After all your searching you came up with ONE person.
Which proves that voter fraud is not a problem.
Yes, thanks. You thought you were trolling but all people will see is that the best anyone could come up with was that ONE person was all they could find.

Yep. ONE PERSON. That's the total anyone could come up with to prove voter fraud exists.

Thanks.

well thats what you wanted wasn't it? its now proven that voter fraud does exist.

what more do you want?

 

[dank69]

why do democrats not care that non citizens are voting??? i just dont understand why voter fraud is not a big deal to the party.

Because we know that an additional 750000 legitimate citizens voting is better than preventing 1 fraudulent vote per state per year.

 

[dank69]

I work at a bank. If you want me to withdraw money for you, then you must present me with some ID. This way the money goes where it's supposed to.

Oh wait, that's a bad example. Democrats have no legitimate concept about where money's supposed to go. Hmmm...

What's so bad about proving who you are? Are you the same loonies that think it's bad to drug test welfare recipients?

Duely blundered from my thunderdolt

Are you the same loony that hasn't heard that drug testing welfare recipients cost more money than it saves? Besides, all these people alreay proved who they were when they registered to vote.

 

[Humpy]

I work at a bank. If you want me to withdraw money for you, then you must present me with some ID. This way the money goes where it's supposed to.

Oh wait, that's a bad example. Democrats have no legitimate concept about where money's supposed to go. Hmmm...

What's so bad about proving who you are? Are you the same loonies that think it's bad to drug test welfare recipients?

Duely blundered from my thunderdolt

I don't understand the relevance of the internal policies of a private business to the issue.

There is nothing stopping me from requiring customers to sing "Baby got Back" before I serve them a cheeseburger at my restaurant. I could require 17 forms of ID and a breathalyzer test before selling a bottle of beer if I wanted to.

So yeah... bad example.

 

[marincounty]

oh god, you are as bad as the birthers.

its been proven by every recount and every investigation that bush did win by votes. jesus get over it.

Al Gore got more votes, or are you denying that too? I think Jesus did get over it, unfortunately the economy Bush drove into the ditch not so much.

 

[bfdd]

there are little to no means to stop fraud now or even detect fraud. if we do not even have the measures in place to detect fraud, how do you expect to accurately track it or say it is or isn't happening? What we need are systems to prevent and track fraud, even the most basic. Iraq does a better job than us, all of you bitching about voter disenfranchisement lols @ you for perpetuating that this current system works and is OK! Votes are bought and sold, it's not done out of evil in the heart of Jose or Maria, it's done because people with power know they can buy it for pennies on the dollar from the poor and keep them stupid enough to keep buying it.

 

[techs]

there are little to no means to stop fraud now or even detect fraud. if we do not even have the measures in place to detect fraud, how do you expect to accurately track it or say it is or isn't happening? What we need are systems to prevent and track fraud, even the most basic. Iraq does a better job than us, all of you bitching about voter disenfranchisement lols @ you for perpetuating that this current system works and is OK! Votes are bought and sold, it's not done out of evil in the heart of Jose or Maria, it's done because people with power know they can buy it for pennies on the dollar from the poor and keep them stupid enough to keep buying it.

Bingo. Why is there little or no means to stop fraud? How come the Republicans haven't done it in areas they have complete control? Because they know it doesn't happen. They don't want to actually try and determine the extent of voter fraud because it make absolutely no sense that more than a handful of people would do it. You can't get Americans to vote and the idea of an illegal immigrant risking discovery and deportation to cast a single vote that has a 99.999999999999 percent chance of not changing an elections outcome is ludicrous. Republicans want to be able to make the claim of voter fraud and to actually have to come up with proof is the last thing they want.

Now as to buying a vote, that is not voter fraud. That is election fraud. In fact, the whole idea of making people have a picture ID does not do one damn thing to prevent anyone from buying votes.

 

[bfdd]

btw techs I support some form of voter id laws. i think what we have now(the average) is retarded and i fully support a small tax to cover ids for all to vote or even the purple ink on the finger thing. just something to show that some effort is being done because currently there's nothing and that's just stupid.

 

[techs]

btw techs I support some form of voter id laws. i think what we have now(the average) is retarded and i fully support a small tax to cover ids for all to vote or even the purple ink on the finger thing. just something to show that some effort is being done because currently there's nothing and that's just stupid.

Here's a secret. I do to.
There are many, many ways to do it. The ways the Republicans are doing it are designed to suppress voting.

To begin with, you start it at the end of one election, ideally a Presidential election with a lot of turnout. You inform people what they will need to vote in say, 2 years. You have cameras ready at the polling places and anyone who needs a picture ID and has enough proof with them gets a picture ID, boom, no charge. If not, they can bring proof with them the next election, get a picture, boom,no charge. If not then the third election they can vote, get their picture taken as long as they have some id. Then they know their picture is on file and that if they show up again without complete proof they can't vote.

Thats just off the top of my head.

 

[nehalem256]

why do democrats not care that non citizens are voting??? i just dont understand why voter fraud is not a big deal to the party.

Because the non citizens are voting for them.

Why do you think that Obama spends so much time courting the vote of illegal immigrants?