Voter fraud is the biggest lie of 2012

[nehalem256]

The Republicans have not produced even a shred of evidence that voter fraud is occuring.

In many states they have the Governership and the Legislature in their hands and they have not produced a shred of evidence.

Half the country is Republican and they have don't even have any valid citizens complaints that have shown a shred of evidence.

I produced evidence of voter fraud in the 2nd post of this thread.

 

[TerryMathews]

I asked if YOU think it is a good thing.

I think complying with laws is a good thing.

 

[cybrsage]

Hey, dumbo, did you read the post. There is no evidence that voter fraud exists.
The Republicans just cut off 750,000 people from the voting list in Pennsylvania.

Maybe you need to tell this poster he is a liar then, he claims voter fraud exists and is real:

Here are the numbers. the RNL claims 311 cases in the last 10 years(though their 311 number actuallly includes cases back to 1997).

So are you going to call this poster a liar?

 

[cybrsage]

I produced evidence of voter fraud in the 2nd post of this thread.

A poster named techs produced evidence of voter fraud in the first post of this thread.

 

[techs]

I produced evidence of voter fraud in the 2nd post of this thread.

Bullshit and Shens!
ONE person. Yes ONE person. Who has not been charged with anything. Who may be a crazy person for all we know.

Yes, LET ME TURN CAPS ON SO YOU WON'T MISS IT. ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON. AND THAT PERSON HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING. THERE IS NOTHING BUT THE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE OF ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. WHO MAY BE A CRAZY PERSON.
ONE PERSON. GET IT. ONE PERSON.

THATS YOUR EVIDENCE. ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON.

 

[dank69]

I think complying with laws is a good thing.

So you are unable to form your own opinion on the subject or you don't want to give a simple answer to the question?

 

[nehalem256]

Hey, dumbo, did you read the post. There is no evidence that voter fraud exists.
The Republicans just cut off 750,000 people from the voting list in Pennsylvania.

up to 750,000

 

[nehalem256]

Bullshit and Shens!
ONE person. Yes ONE person. Who has not been charged with anything. Who may be a crazy person for all we know.

Yes, LET ME TURN CAPS ON SO YOU WON'T MISS IT. ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON. AND THAT PERSON HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING. THERE IS NOTHING BUT THE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE OF ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. WHO MAY BE A CRAZY PERSON.
ONE PERSON. GET IT. ONE PERSON.

THATS YOUR EVIDENCE. ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON.

No they found nearly 100 people who claimed to be non-citizens who were registered to vote.

 

[thraashman]

up to 750,000

So if I were to release a toxin into the atmosphere that had the potential to kill up to 80% of a bacteria that kills 400 people a year, but the side effects were that "up to 750,000" would also be killed, you think that's just fine? Because that's the logic you're using buddy.

 

[fskimospy]

No they found nearly 100 people who claimed to be non-citizens who were registered to vote.

Guys it's easy to understand. It doesn't matter if there is any evidence of this type of voter fraud actually happening, they talked to some people who claimed something. That's certainly persuasive enough for me to disenfranchise thousands of people.

 

[techs]

up to 750,000

Actually if I understand it correctly its 758,000 people. And yes, some of them won't be cut off. At what number does it become a problem, especially when it is designed to fix a problem, voter fraud, that doesn't exist?
If it only cuts off 350,000 would that make it ok?

 

[blankslate]

We both posted spins on it, just in opposite directions. Which you choose to believe is decided by your biases.

Yeah, and if it wasn't for the possible effect of the Voter ID law your spin would have more weight than a feather.

given the fact that Governor Romney is not spending very much in PA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...spending-edge/2012/07/09/gJQATuxsYW_blog.html

And, the chart above doesn’t even take into account Pennsylvania where Obama has spent almost $5 million on ads while Romney has yet to spend a dime.

He's either considering PA a lost cause so far or perhaps 300k voters can make a difference. Somehow I doubt it's the former.

Most states also have a state issued ID for nondrivers. In Ohio they come from the BMV.

This is good but people need to be sent notices in the mail that from the voter registration offices that they would need this ID, in any case it would be easier for that office to provide an ID for people without driver's licenses, passports, etc.

 

[thraashman]

You said two opposite things, then cry when I point it out. What a baby.

When are you going to say which time you lied? Did you lie in your thread title when you claim voter fraud is a lie or did you lie in your OP when you claimed voter fraud is real?

When are you going to admit you lied? I've pointed out in multiple threads how you partially quote people to change the meaning of what they said or make claims about what they said when it clearly wasn't the meaning. I've seen you lie about what people on this board say more than any other poster by a large margin. When are you going to admit you lied?

But, seriously, stop being such a fucking troll on here we're all tired of it. Your two options of not being a troll are to legitamitely join the conversation or keep your mouth shut. So far you don't do either on any topic.

 

[Humpy]

The Republicans have not produced even a shred of evidence that voter fraud is occuring.

In many states they have the Governership and the Legislature in their hands and they have not produced a shred of evidence.

Half the country is Republican and they have don't even have any valid citizens complaints that have shown a shred of evidence.

Even at my advanced age and poor health I will go to Washington and be civilly disobediant if the Republican voter suppression continues.

And I will be one of the few who are merely civilly disobedient.

Though, if on a jury I will exonerate anyone who kills someone who attempts voter suppression. In my opinion that is treason and I will defend my country.

I'm not smart enough to discern a functional difference between D's and R's. I do admire, though, the length's people will go to defend a way of life.

To me, constructing a system to record our, relatively small, population's multiple choice decision and accurately present the results seems like the simplest of tasks given our resources and compared to our other accomplishments.

That we do not currently possess such a system leads me to conclude that Americans are idiots or that we do not desire one. Maybe violence truly is the most efficient solution in settling our differences.

 

[cybrsage]

Yeah, and if it wasn't for the possible effect of the Voter ID law your spin would have more weight than a feather.

given the fact that Governor Romney is not spending very much in PA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...spending-edge/2012/07/09/gJQATuxsYW_blog.html
He's either considering PA a lost cause so far or perhaps 300k voters can make a difference. Somehow I doubt it's the latter.

Yep, just like I said, your personal bias means you will not entertain any spin but the one which matches your preconceived desired outcome.

 

[dank69]

I'm not smart enough to discern a functional difference between D's and R's. I do admire, though, the length's people will go to defend a way of life.

To me, constructing a system to record our, relatively small, population's multiple choice decision and accurately present the results seems like the simplest of tasks given our resources and compared to our other accomplishments.

That we do not currently possess such a system leads me to conclude that Americans are idiots or that we do not desire one. Maybe violence truly is the most efficient solution in settling our differences.

The potential for fraud will always exist. Require ID? If someone really wants to go down and vote fraudulently, they can just obtain a fake ID. Or they can just get an absentee ballot or 200. Requiring ID won't stop fraud if it does exist, but will put up a barrier to stop many legitimate citizens from voting.

 

[thraashman]

I'm not smart enough to discern a functional difference between D's and R's. I do admire, though, the length's people will go to defend a way of life.

To me, constructing a system to record our, relatively small, population's multiple choice decision and accurately present the results seems like the simplest of tasks given our resources and compared to our other accomplishments.

That we do not currently possess such a system leads me to conclude that Americans are idiots or that we do not desire one. Maybe violence truly is the most efficient solution in settling our differences.

Relatively small? We're the third most populous country on the planet. You ever done development on a large system? There's over 200 million voting age people on the planet, systems that handle that many records have to be extremely robust. And then you have the fact that each state has its own rules and laws. It's actually massively more complicated than you think it is.

 

[cybrsage]

When are you going to admit you lied?

We already covered this when you lied about him having to keep the thead title so short. I will repost it for you, since your memory is insanely short.

Repost below:
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He says, in his thread tite, that voter fraud is a lie (if it is the biggest lie, it is a lie). In his OP, he says voter fraud exists. The two are opposites, so either it exists as he claims or it is a lie as he claims. It cannot be both.

If he meant "widespread", he could easily have added it. He choose not to do so. We both know the thread title can hold a LOT more characters than he put in it.


EDIT: I just did a test, you can put EIGHTY-FIVE characters into the thread title. He only used 38. Here is my test thread title:

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I entered -234567890 repeatedly until the line filled up. Dashes were used instead of 1s to mamke it easier to count. Proof of it here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33685397#post33685397

 

[techs]

no they found nearly 100 people who claimed to be non-citizens who were registered to vote.

caps OFF. Bold on.
No. One person. One person. One person.
The rest is anecdotal. The rest have no proof except similiar names.

Not one person has been arrested or charged. Not one republican prosecutor has convicted anyone.

Not one person. Not one person. Not one person.

Further checking shows no other legitimate news source has this story.
This happened back in February. NO CHARGES. NO CHARGES

 

[cybrsage]

The potential for fraud will always exist. Require ID? If someone really wants to go down and vote fraudulently, they can just obtain a fake ID. Or they can just get an absentee ballot or 200. Requiring ID won't stop fraud if it does exist, but will put up a barrier to stop many legitimate citizens from voting.

Why require people to register to vote then? It only puts up a barrier to stop many legitimate citizens from voting.

 

[cybrsage]

caps OFF. Bold on.
No. One person. One person. One person.
The rest is anecdotal. The rest have no proof except similiar names.

Not one person has been arrested or charged. Not one republican prosecutor has convicted anyone.

Not one person. Not one person. Not one person.

Further checking shows no other legitimate news source has this story.

Just proof that, given enough rope, you will hang yourself with it:

Illegal alien arrested, charged with voter fraud



LAKE COUNTY, Ill. - An illegal alien from the Philippines was arrested Thursday morning on a felony complaint charging her with 17 counts related to voter fraud in Lake County. The state charges resulted from a joint investigation conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and the Lake County State's Attorneys Office. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) also provided assistance.

Maria Azada, 53, of Grayslake, Ill., was arrested March 17 by ICE HSI agents and a Lake County State's Attorneys special investigator. Azada faces 17 felony counts in Lake County Circuit Court of perjury, mutilation of election materials, and tampering with voting machines in connection with illegal voting by a non-U.S. citizen,

The investigation began in February 2009 when Azada admitted to a USCIS officer during an interview for an immigration benefit that she had voted in an election. It is illegal for foreign nationals to vote in national or state elections in the United States.

A subsequent investigation revealed that Azada allegedly voted nine times in primary, general and consolidated elections between 2003 and 2009. According to the arrest warrant, Azada allegedly falsely claimed to be a U.S. citizen on two Illinois Voter Registration applications.

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1103/110317lakecounty.htm

 

[thraashman]

We already covered this when you lied about him having to keep the thead title so short. I will repost it for you, since your memory is insanely short.

Repost below:
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He says, in his thread tite, that voter fraud is a lie (if it is the biggest lie, it is a lie). In his OP, he says voter fraud exists. The two are opposites, so either it exists as he claims or it is a lie as he claims. It cannot be both.

If he meant "widespread", he could easily have added it. He choose not to do so. We both know the thread title can hold a LOT more characters than he put in it.


EDIT: I just did a test, you can put EIGHTY-FIVE characters into the thread title. He only used 38. Here is my test thread title:

-234567890-234567890-234567890-234567890-234567890-234567890-234567890-234567890-2345

I entered -234567890 repeatedly until the line filled up. Dashes were used instead of 1s to mamke it easier to count. Proof of it here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33685397#post33685397

Oh, I'm not talking about just here. Ironically in this post you did one of the very things I called you out on. You partially quoted me to make it seem like I was referring to just an earlier post in this thread when in fact I mentioned how you do that partial quoting and misrepresenting thing in many threads. Thank you for again proving my point.

However, if you claim something is a problem that needs to be addressed and statistically it is so rare to be all but non-existant, then it would be a lie to say it is such a big deal you have to pass multiple laws at great financial expense that remove or restrict rights of others. You know very well the meaning behind his title yet choose to ignore it and take it semantically out of context by ignoring that a title goes together with an OP to make a point. Should I go through every thread you've posted and point out where by your own standards you lied? Because I've already looked and if I take your retarded semantic bullshit you post to your own posts, it's easy to twist what you say as well.

 

[blankslate]

Yep, just like I said, your personal bias means you will not entertain any spin but the one which matches your preconceived desired outcome.

Considering that the Voter ID laws potential to favor one side over another. It's not unreasonable apply a certain spin to that statement. If the law he spoke about was more likely to affect democratic nominees more favorably than republican nominees then your complaint about my opinion would have more weight... your reply is little more than "no you are" at this point.

 

[cybrsage]

Oh, I'm not talking about just here.

Ah, so you are trolling. Noted, ignored.

 

[cybrsage]

Considering that the Voter ID laws potential to favor one side over another. It's not unreasonable apply a certain spin to that statement. If the law he spoke about was more likely to affect democratic nominees more favorably than republican nominees then your complaint about my opinion would have more weight... your reply is little more than "no you are" at this point.

You are the one who is holding the everything-proof-gun proof shield.